Originally Posted by Iamme :
I want to reitterate that Kevin did not imply that any harm arose from being near the microwave oven...but implies that it is in the unique way the food is cooked that somehow alters the chemistry of the food.
Belz:
What unique way ? You seem to believe just about everything you hear or read. There's a reason why scientists don't claim anything without proof: you can claim anything you want.
The universe was laid like a giant egg by a cosmic-sized, Giant Brown Chicken.
Iamme:
That the molecules get scrambled differently and that our bodies must 'know' the difference between heat coil or fire generated heat as opposed to microwaved heat that jumbles the molecules abnormally. That's what I have gathered, anyway.
Originally Posted by Iamme :
As far as the homeopathic claims go? Bell asked us listeners if we thought there was a more than reasonable possibility that eating all organic could possibly prevent cancer, like Trudeau proclaims. And Bell stated that this is a very reasonable assertion, as it is common knowledge that eating foods with growth hormones, pesticides, etc., can cause cancer.
Belz:
That's always bugged me. Why do people continue to insist on "organic" foods (a tautology) or "natural" medecine (as if the molecules contained in conventional medecine wasn't "natural" somehow.)
You are aware that foods grown without any form of human intervention are prone to carry other, "organic" and dangerous stuff ?
Iamme:
Because there is the assertion that we don't know EVERY single thing that our bodies utilize that is in food...nor, the possible complex interactions between those things. For example, zinc is needed to work with (I forgot). Or, how Vitamin D is needed to metabolize calcium. Or, how enzymes are needed to.....Etc..
Unless we are so smart that we can lay out every ingredient on the table and produce a perfect replica of a particular food...there is no way that we understand EVERYTHING about a food, and can't possibly know how EVERY interaction of all the ingredients work.
For example...how do you NOT know that this one glucotriastrophine (I made that word up) is what offsets the colestrol in a certain food? See what I mean? And it might be the only way you can get gluc(blah, blah, blah) into your blood is by eating the whole grain..the whole skin... the whole....you get my drift.
In your second paragraph that I am now responding to: Just what are you getting at? That if something is truly organic it comes with risk, where things NOT organic don't contain the BAD stufff about the organic and therefore there is no risk? Like diseases from catching bad molds or something? You'll maybe have to explain more to me what you mean exactly.
Originally Posted by Iamme :
And it appears that Bell himself believes that Trudeau has been too highly scrutinized and even unfairly censored by making claims that are actually reasonable and most likely true.
Belz:
In that case he can prove it with evidence.
Iamme:
Wellll...I think that if YOU read what some of what Kevin says in his book..it is now common knowledge amongst circles of homeopathic and organic food eaters, that what he says is not even hardly disputable. For example, it is pretty widely accepted that eating lots of nitrates and nitrites and polyunsaturated fats are bad for you. So, he is claiming things that have already been claimed and documented, with evidence, by others. SOME of what Kevin says, I do agree with you, in what you say. *I* have problems with taking as gospel, his cures for many of the major diseases he lists, by taking the stuff he says, and doing what he says, like colon cleansing and other such stuff that many centarians never have even done.
Originally Posted by Iamme :
Now I just heard said that homeopathic medicine has actually helped mainstream medicine. If I could type as fast as people taking short hand, I'd be typing here what they are talking about.
Belz:
What a convenient cop out.
Iamme: WHo is copping out? Me, or Bell? If me, *I* am not copping out at all. IF I truly could have gathered in everything he was saying, I would have been more than happy to put it up here for you guys to argue with me about.
Originally Posted by Iamme :
NOW Kevin just said that he thinks it's wrong that if you don't want your child to get chemotherapy and want to go the homeopathic route...they won't let you.
Belz:
I think its wrong to give people false hopes in treatments that will most likely kill them for not pursuing conventional, proven solutions.
Iamme:
I sort of cringed when I heard him say that. It smacks of 7th Day Adventists, where THEY have pulled that, over needed blood transfusions and other stuff
and then their child ends up dying.
