The Trump Presidency VII

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They can’t treat the US as a pariah, they’re dependent on us. We set the rules!
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It would be nonconstructive the treat the USA as a pariah, but Donald Trump is not the USA. We can do it to him. There will be a time after Trump.

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President Donald Trump threw down a gauntlet on trade Saturday, threatening to cut other nations off entirely if they do not eliminate tariffs on U.S. goods, as a testy G7 economic summit wrapped up in Quebec City, Canada.

While praising free trade in theory, Trump demanded an end to tariffs on U.S. goods, which he called “ridiculous and unacceptable.” And he did not hesitate at trying to force other nations’ hands.

“It’s going to stop,” the president told reporters during a press conference. “Or we’ll stop trading with them. And that’s a very profitable answer, if we have to do it.”

“We’re like the piggy bank that everybody’s robbing, and that ends,” Trump said later.
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WTF???
 

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European leaders are outraged by Trump over G-7 statement. But they’re not surprised. But there were signs, among otherwise frustrated European leaders, that they see Trump and his “America First” agenda as an aberration and not necessarily as expressive of a new reality that will never change.
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Europe's turn to engage in magical thinking. All it takes is a Republican in high office to renew the repugnant.
 

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The game of tarriffs and subsidies that countries play invokes many prisoner's dilemmata: the smartest move is to hurt your opponent the most in order to get hurt somewhat less (lose-lose), even though win-win outcomes are also possible. There simply is no strategy that leads to win-win - if you play it alone.

Win-win can only be reached through trust and co-operation.

By going alone and ceasing co-operation, Trump makes USA lose, no matter what. And his allies, too.

There is one player not involved in that particular game of trade: Russia. By standing on the sideline and not losing, Russia wins relative to all the West.

That is not inevitable at all. I'd prefer for Russia to also win outright, in a game of co-operation, but neither Trump nor Putin is the man to bear co-winners ahead of him.
 
I think we now see why Putin was so eager to collude with Trump. The point is to break up the key alliances of the industrialized democracies. It would be interesting to know, (though not really important in the long rung) if Trump knew that when he decided to conspire with the Russians or just didn't care.
 
MRC_Hans said:
It would be nonconstructive the treat the USA as a pariah, but Donald Trump is not the USA. We can do it to him. There will be a time after Trump.

Hans
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No, Trump is it right now. Wait till the next president learns from what Trump did. These other countries better beg for forgiveness and get on with it.
 
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Oystein said:
The game of tarriffs and subsidies that countries play invokes many prisoner's dilemmata: the smartest move is to hurt your opponent the most in order to get hurt somewhat less (lose-lose), even though win-win outcomes are also possible. There simply is no strategy that leads to win-win - if you play it alone.

Win-win can only be reached through trust and co-operation.

By going alone and ceasing co-operation, Trump makes USA lose, no matter what. And his allies, too.

There is one player not involved in that particular game of trade: Russia. By standing on the sideline and not losing, Russia wins relative to all the West.

That is not inevitable at all. I'd prefer for Russia to also win outright, in a game of co-operation, but neither Trump nor Putin is the man to bear co-winners ahead of him.
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Other countries are simply in survival mode. No one has the economy we do, they all have a lot to lose by continuing to be unfair to the US. trump clearly knows this.
 
It's genuinely unclear what Trump and Kudlow are complaining about. Trump left the G-7 and did a news conference bashing Canada on trade. Then Trudeau did a news conference in which he said the same things about the steel/aluminum tariffs he's been saying for a week.

Kudlow on Trudeau: "He really kind of stabbed us in the back. He really, actually, you know: he did a great disservice to the whole G-7. He betrayed."

Kudlow: "We were very close to making a deal with Canada on NAFTA, bilaterally perhaps, and then we leave and Trudeau pulls this sophomoric political stunt for domestic consumption.”

They were not close to making a bilateral NAFTA deal. He's just making things up.

Asked what Trudeau actually did that was so "cheap" and "sophomoric," Kudlow says, "He holds a press conference and he said the US is insulting, he said that Canada has to stand up for itself, he says that we are the problem with tariffs."

Kudlow on Trudeau: “You just don’t behave that way. It’s a betrayal. Essentially double-crossing."

Ah, Kudlow finally explains what's going on here: "Now, POTUS is not gonna let a Canadian prime minister push him around, push him, POTUS, around, President Trump, on the eve of this -- he is not going to permit any show of weakness on a trip to negotiate with North Korea.”

So...per the White House, Trump is insulting the prime minister of Canada because he wants to impress Kim Jong Un.

Kudlow elaborates: "Kim must not see American weakness. It’s that short.” Trudeau was "pouring collateral damage on this whole Korean trip, that was a part of Trudeau's mistake. Trudeau made an error, he should take it back, he should pull back on his statements."​


With friends like the US...
 
abaddon said:
Not now you don't. Your hero Trump is turning the USA into a pariah rogue state. And you are cheering him on. When, as he inevitably will, Trump sprints back to his Russian bosses, at which point you will attempt defend the indefensible and endorse full on communism.
Please explain why you are a "commie".
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You were doing okay until this point, where you went a little silly.

If the Republicans as a whole (and not just Trump) embrace Russia, they will not also embrace communism, but rather insist that Russia is not communist (which is, after all, true). They will emphasize that Russia is not the old Soviet Union (despite certain strong similarities under Putin).
 
Lurch said:
So the snowflake of a coward, that orange fungus, chooses to bleat about not signing the joint G-7 communique only after getting safely away on AF1. He didn't have the spine to tell the other leaders directly to their faces.

Just like the way he fires people by tweet, or getting others to deliver the bad news.

A despicable coward!

Trumpers: This is your standard bearer?!? Shameful.
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The scuttlebutt is that he really was going to sign the communique until Trudeau publicly chastised him. He was already on AF1 at the time.

So, let me defend Trump. He wasn't a coward for announcing that he won't sign after leaving. He was just a petulant child incapable of taking criticism. Surely exactly what one wants in a world leader (ptui!).
 
logger said:
No, Trump is it right now. Wait till the next president learns from what Trump did. These other countries better beg for forgiveness and get on with it.
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These are our allies for **** sake.
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Stacko said:
It's genuinely unclear what Trump and Kudlow are complaining about. Trump left the G-7 and did a news conference bashing Canada on trade. Then Trudeau did a news conference in which he said the same things about the steel/aluminum tariffs he's been saying for a week.

Kudlow on Trudeau: "He really kind of stabbed us in the back. He really, actually, you know: he did a great disservice to the whole G-7. He betrayed."

Kudlow: "We were very close to making a deal with Canada on NAFTA, bilaterally perhaps, and then we leave and Trudeau pulls this sophomoric political stunt for domestic consumption.”

They were not close to making a bilateral NAFTA deal. He's just making things up.

Asked what Trudeau actually did that was so "cheap" and "sophomoric," Kudlow says, "He holds a press conference and he said the US is insulting, he said that Canada has to stand up for itself, he says that we are the problem with tariffs."

Kudlow on Trudeau: “You just don’t behave that way. It’s a betrayal. Essentially double-crossing."

Ah, Kudlow finally explains what's going on here: "Now, POTUS is not gonna let a Canadian prime minister push him around, push him, POTUS, around, President Trump, on the eve of this -- he is not going to permit any show of weakness on a trip to negotiate with North Korea.”

So...per the White House, Trump is insulting the prime minister of Canada because he wants to impress Kim Jong Un.

Kudlow elaborates: "Kim must not see American weakness. It’s that short.” Trudeau was "pouring collateral damage on this whole Korean trip, that was a part of Trudeau's mistake. Trudeau made an error, he should take it back, he should pull back on his statements."​


With friends like the US...
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What's striking here is that this can't be back stabbing because Trudeau hasn't changed his tune on the tariffs one bit. He said it before, during and after the summit.
 
logger said:
No, Trump is it right now. Wait till the next president learns from what Trump did. These other countries better beg for forgiveness and get on with it.
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Uh, the only thing that future presidents will learn from Trump is not to be Trump, and I suspect the only forgiveness put forward in future will be from the US to the rest of the world for allowing the pompous idiotic bloated fool to play on the world stage.
 
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