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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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RoboTimbo said:
Is there anything about Oswald assassinating JFK that you ;) do know? You ;) don't seem knowledgeable enough to discuss it intelligently.
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I do know that he did not assassinate JFK and that he got framed as a scapegoat for it before and after he got silenced in the care of DPD by a mob-liaison to the same DPD.

What do you know of anything not told to know by your little blue idiot smileys?

Empty? Completely?
 
Axxman300 said:
Was your sergeant also a detective? Was he solving a crime?

No, he was just making sure your rifle was clean before putting it away in the arms room.

Please give us the name and phone number of your sergeant so we may call him to ask if he was the one man on earth who could tell when a weapon had been fired so that we may document of process, and get him the Nobel Prize.
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The point is, Axxman, that it is easy to see if a weapon have NOT been fired. Use your index finger. Soot? Fired. No soot? Not fired.

Get it?
 
manifesto said:
I do know that he did not assassinate JFK and that he got framed as a scapegoat for it before and after he got silenced in the care of DPD by a mob-liaison to the same DPD.

What do you know of anything not told to know by your little blue idiot smileys?

Empty? Completely?
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Then you ;)know nothing;)

You have not established any evidence that Oswald worked for anybody other than the TSBD. You have not established evidence that Jack Ruby was a made member of the mafia.

You just sling woo and run away.;)
 
manifesto said:
Cite ONE thing I have made up, Hans.
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Here are several, numbered for your convenience:

manifesto said:
(1) I do know that he did not assassinate JFK (2) and that he got framed as a scapegoat for it before (3) and after he got silenced in the care of DPD by a mob-liaison to the same DPD.
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So you ;) know nothing at all and have nothing to contribute beyond what you ;) have made up?

little blue idiot smileys
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As you ;) wish.
 
manifesto said:
The point is, Axxman, that it is easy to see if a weapon have NOT been fired. Use your index finger. Soot? Fired. No soot? Not fired.

Get it?
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And? If you ;) could just link to the Investigator's Handbook where that is the recommended procedure. There's a good fellow.

Why did Oswald then go on to murder Officer Tippit and then attempt to murder more officers (with the same revolver!) in the theater when they had him cornered?
 
manifesto said:
The point is, Axxman, that it is easy to see if a weapon have NOT been fired. Use your index finger. Soot? Fired. No soot? Not fired.

Get it?
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Was it fired an hour ago, a day ago, a week ago, a month ago, a year ago, a decade ago?

The weapon had been fired. We know because of the dead body. We know because they found three shell casings that had been fired from that rifle. We know because the bullets recovered matched the rifle found. We know that Oswald fired the weapon because only his prints were on the weapon. We know the weapon was his.

This is just another one of your sponge tests where you make a stupid claim and then refuse to admit you don't know what you're talking about.;)
 
https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0157b.htm

I would say 'this should settle it' but we all know that nothing is ever settled with conspiracy theorists.

Check out the back of the middle payroll check on the above page.

It reads:
PAY TO THE ORDER OF
Mercantile National Bank at Dallas
M-3703 Dallas Texas M-3703
FOR DEPOSIT ONLY
MART LIQUOR STORE​

According to your source, Sandy Larsen, that can't exist. It needs the specific language "Payable to any bank"... etc. It has that too (at the Mercantile Bank), but the point is, the MART LIQUOR STORE, where Oswald cashed the check, knew they had their business account at the Mercantile Bank, so they had a stamp prepared with that information, and thereby stamped it for deposit with their stamp indicating not the language "Any Bank" but the specific bank they used. And it was accepted for payment.

This is identical to the way the money order was handled by Klein's sporting Goods, Inc, when they got the money order for the purchase of the rifle. They received it in the mail, they stamped it payable to their bank, and they deposited it to their bank. And it was accepted for payment.

Sandy Larsen's claim was, is, and always will be nonsense.

Hank
 
I know exaclty what is going on here, and why it is going on.

Larsen and his JFK CT nutcase disciples in the Order of the Bleedin' Fruitcake are absolutely desperate to make that money-order a forgery, because they know that if they cannot, then Oswald is 100% proven to be A. Hidell, and therefore 100% proven to have paid for the gun he ordered from Klein's Sporting Goods, and therefore, he owns the gun that killed the President.

To that end, they will clutch at any straw, no matter how thin, right down to making up their own unique interpretations of Federal Regulations that they have no understanding of, or moving the goalposts by changing what they previously claimed when they find it insufficient to back their spurious claims. This includes, telling a lawyer of 30+ years experience that he doesn't now how to read Federal regulations, and telling a banker that he doesn't know about bank procedures. They are even claiming an interpretation that is the exact opposite of the wording of the regulations.

And as for manifesto's very strange interpretation of the meaning of "any bank", well that is really unique, and totally out of left field... he reminds me of Homer Simpson...

HomerAnyKey.jpg
 
Anybody thinking all of Kennedy's head wounds were created by a single 6.5 shot from the Sniper's Nest is in purgatory. The evidence for the EOP wound is incontrovertible and unfalsifiable. The earliest evidence speaks for itself and there is no possibility of any witness taking back their word. That would be true even if the x-rays and photographs showed a higher entry wound (which has not even come close to being demonstrated by the proponents anybody), the evidence would simply indicate that they are fake. But from a falsifiable, scientific perspective, there is also physical evidence for the EOP wound, although as per usual more thorough expert examination would be nice.
 
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smartcooky said:
I know exaclty what is going on here, and why it is going on.

Larsen and his JFK CT nutcase disciples in the Order of the Bleedin' Fruitcake are absolutely desperate to make that money-order a forgery, because they know that if they cannot, then Oswald is 100% proven to be A. Hidell, and therefore 100% proven to have paid for the gun he ordered from Klein's Sporting Goods, and therefore, he owns the gun that killed the President.

To that end, they will clutch at any straw, no matter how thin, right down to making up their own unique interpretations of Federal Regulations that they have no understanding of, or moving the goalposts by changing what they previously claimed when they find it insufficient to back their spurious claims. This includes, telling a lawyer of 30+ years experience that he doesn't now how to read Federal regulations, and telling a banker that he doesn't know about bank procedures. They are even claiming an interpretation that is the exact opposite of the wording of the regulations.

And as for manifesto's very strange interpretation of the meaning of "any bank", well that is really unique, and totally out of left field... he reminds me of Homer Simpson...

[qimg]https://www.dropbox.com/s/xp848f94aatrru9/HomerAnyKey.jpg?raw=1[/qimg]
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You appear to have a poor grasp of the JFK fabricated evidence subject, because you should know that even if the money order were real, the evidence indicates not only that it was purchased while Oswald was signed in at his job, but that it was purchased at a Post Office miles away from the TSBD.
 
MicahJava said:
You appear to have a poor grasp of the JFK fabricated evidence subject, because you should know that even if the money order were real
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It is. That's established. It bears the necessary markings and shows no evidence of forgery. It also is in Oswald's handwriting, which somehow you and Manifesto neglected to explain.


MicahJava said:
the evidence indicates not only that it was purchased while Oswald was signed in at his job, but that it was purchased at a Post Office miles away from the TSBD.
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No, the evidence doesn't indicate that. That's just more misinterpretations and more quotes out of context from conspiracy theorists desperate to find some reason to exclude the money order.

It's not a coincidence that all the fabricated claims come from the conspiracy theorist side of the discussion, you know.

Are we done with the "stamp" argument? Can we put that to bed for the next two weeks, until you guys get desperate enough to bring it up again?

Hank
 
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MicahJava said:
You appear to have a poor grasp of the JFK fabricated evidence subject, because you should know that even if the money order were real, the evidence indicates not only that it was purchased while Oswald was signed in at his job, but that it was purchased at a Post Office miles away from the TSBD.
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Cite. Explain. Argue. Obviously your word won't be taken for it.
 
MicahJava said:
You appear to have a poor grasp of the JFK fabricated evidence subject
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That's because there isn't any

MicahJava said:
...even if the money order were real, the evidence indicates not only that it was purchased while Oswald was signed in at his job, but that it was purchased at a Post Office miles away from the TSBD.
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Outright, bare-faced lie.

It was MAIL ORDERED, paid for and delivered. He didn't "go to the shop" to buy it over the counter
 
smartcooky said:
I know exaclty what is going on here, and why it is going on.

Larsen and his JFK CT nutcase disciples in the Order of the Bleedin' Fruitcake are absolutely desperate to make that money-order a forgery, because they know that if they cannot, then Oswald is 100% proven to be A. Hidell, and therefore 100% proven to have paid for the gun he ordered from Klein's Sporting Goods, and therefore, he owns the gun that killed the President.

To that end, they will clutch at any straw, no matter how thin, right down to making up their own unique interpretations of Federal Regulations that they have no understanding of, or moving the goalposts by changing what they previously claimed when they find it insufficient to back their spurious claims. This includes, telling a lawyer of 30+ years experience that he doesn't now how to read Federal regulations, and telling a banker that he doesn't know about bank procedures. They are even claiming an interpretation that is the exact opposite of the wording of the regulations.

And as for manifesto's very strange interpretation of the meaning of "any bank", well that is really unique, and totally out of left field... he reminds me of Homer Simpson...

[qimg]https://www.dropbox.com/s/xp848f94aatrru9/HomerAnyKey.jpg?raw=1[/qimg]
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:D

It's not just manifesto, however, who buys into this nonsense. It's also his cited expert Homer Simpson Sandy Larsen, and every other CT who accepts any claim without evidence simply because another CT made that assertion. In manifesto's case, he's accepting the claims of Sandy Larsen and repeating them here.

CT MicahJava, on the other hand, is repeating nonsense from John Armstrong about where and when the money order was purchased.

No thought is put into these claims by the proponents here. They just accept and parrot the claims.

Hank
 
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smartcooky said:
It was MAIL ORDERED, paid for and delivered. He didn't "go to the shop" to buy it over the counter
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Oswald bought the rifle by mail order. Oswald paid for the money order over the counter.

MJ's still arguing the money order is not legit, because of some markings he claims (but has no evidence for) establish Oswald bought it miles from work. He's not arguing the rifle at this point.

I'll let MicahJava post the details if he wishes to debate them. I will fully understand his reticence if he declines to do so (considering how poorly Manifesto performed concerning the stamp argument).

Hank
 
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