Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

[RoboTimbo]

Cite ONE DOZENS OF things I have made up, Hans.

There are no evidence of Oswald trying to kill loony Gen. Walker. They tried to pinn that too on him because they knew they had no case on him assassinating JFK.

- A steel jacketed bullet slug turning in to a copper jacketted bullet slug.

- Two assassins with two cars turning in to a bus riding Lone Oswald.

- Marina Oswald claiming to stop Oswald from also killing Nixon in spite of no Nixon in Dallas at that point in time.

- The first ’tip’ of Oswald being the shooter against Walker came from a German neo nazi news paper in Munich.

- Walker insisting on Oswald not being the shooter.

- Neo nazi Walker was on the opposite side of the US political spectra vs. JFK and got removed from his command for handing out John Birch right wing propaganda to his troops.

- Walker getting locked up in the loony bin by JFK after his actions during the Ole Miss racial riots, 1962.

- In fact, Walker should be a prime suspect in the assassination of JFK.

- And on and on ...

You make it too easy.

 

[bknight]

You make it too easy.

Nice one.

 

[manifesto]

Well if they are fake, then we would really have a conspiracy. But a conspiracy can also be argued under the context of some or all of the evidence being real, and there is definitely no reason to think there is any consensus for any entry wound on the x-rays.

Yes. It is important to argue the evidence as real if not proven fraudelent. And yes, there is no consensus on anything in the x-rays.

But I can see why the HSCA medical panel came to their conclusion, believing that the x-rays was authenticated and the autopsy photos was from the actual autopsy, not from after the restoration of JFK’s body.

The elephant in the livingroom is the absence in the x-rays of a big gaping wound in the right back of the head, reported by almost all of the almost 50 doctors, nurses and police agents who observed the head wounds close up between Elm Street - Parkland - Methodist H. (Harper fragment) - and the Bethesda Naval Hospital.

All these people could not be wrong. It is impossible.

 

[MicahJava]

There are no evidence of Oswald trying to kill loony Gen. Walker. They tried to pinn that too on him because they knew they had no case on him assassinating JFK.

- A steel jacketed bullet slug turning in to a copper jacketted bullet slug.

- Two assassins with two cars turning in to a bus riding Lone Oswald.

- Marina Oswald claiming to stop Oswald from also killing Nixon in spite of no Nixon in Dallas at that point in time.

- The first ’tip’ of Oswald being the shooter against Walker came from a German neo nazi news paper in Munich.

- Walker insisting on Oswald not being the shooter.

- Neo nazi Walker was on the opposite side of the US political spectra vs. JFK and got removed from his command for handing out John Birch right wing propaganda to his troops.

- Walker getting locked up in the loony bin by JFK after his actions during the Ole Miss racial riots, 1962.

- In fact, Walker should be a prime suspect in the assassination of JFK.

- And on and on ...

I know, but if it were true, it wouldn't be that bad. If one of my friends told me they almost killed General Walker, I'd be like "cool".

 

[JayUtah]

Yes. It is important to argue the evidence as real if not proven fraudelent.

A party proposing to reject evidence on the basis that it's fraudulent has the burden to prove it's fraudulent. Where have you done that?

And yes, there is no consensus on anything in the x-rays.

If we accept this arguendo as a premise, then how does it reconcile with

The elephant in the livingroom is the absence in the x-rays...

which is given without a source for the interpretation? According to whose reading of the x-rays is this feature missing?

 

[smartcooky]

There are no evidence of Oswald trying to kill loony Gen. Walker. They tried to pinn that too on him because they knew they had no case on him assassinating JFK.

- A steel jacketed bullet slug turning in to a copper jacketted bullet slug.

- Two assassins with two cars turning in to a bus riding Lone Oswald.

- Marina Oswald claiming to stop Oswald from also killing Nixon in spite of no Nixon in Dallas at that point in time.

- The first ’tip’ of Oswald being the shooter against Walker came from a German neo nazi news paper in Munich.

- Walker insisting on Oswald not being the shooter.

- Neo nazi Walker was on the opposite side of the US political spectra vs. JFK and got removed from his command for handing out John Birch right wing propaganda to his troops.

- Walker getting locked up in the loony bin by JFK after his actions during the Ole Miss racial riots, 1962.

- In fact, Walker should be a prime suspect in the assassination of JFK.

- And on and on ...

Cite evidence for these bare assertions, show how it applies and argue for its veracity.

 

[MicahJava]

Yes. It is important to argue the evidence as real if not proven fraudelent. And yes, there is no consensus on anything in the x-rays.

But I can see why the HSCA medical panel came to their conclusion, believing that the x-rays was authenticated and the autopsy photos was from the actual autopsy, not from after the restoration of JFK’s body.

The elephant in the livingroom is the absence in the x-rays of a big gaping wound in the right back of the head, reported by almost all of the almost 50 doctors, nurses and police agents who observed the head wounds close up between Elm Street - Parkland - Methodist H. (Harper fragment) - and the Bethesda Naval Hospital.

All these people could not be wrong. It is impossible.

I am wondering if this exact thing can be experimented with Zombie special effects technology could allow people to perform experiments in which nurses and doctors were tested by treating an actor playing a patient with a prosthetic wound as if the situation were real, or simply walk by and look at the "patient", and then later ask them to describe the head wound. Since Kennedy's head was in the tracheotomy position on the hospital table most of the time, I am wondering if such a wound above the right ear could look more behind the right ear in the moment.

 

[Hans]

What additional information are you requesting, Hans?

Be specific.

As noted before please specify the specificity of the specification.

 

[Hans]

Don’t be silly, conflating a big picture argument with minutiae. I was responding to a sweeping argument stating that it would have been impossible to keep a plot like this a secret for such a long time.

I responded, listing multiple factors in play. If you have any issue with one or more with these factors, state them, but be specific.

All of them as they were obviously made up.

This is seems to be your golden rule:

 

[HSienzant]

Still Begging the Question and Shifting the Burden of Proof. You are claiming the money order is not legitimate. You need to establish it is not legitimate. You need to cite for the claim that banks have to endorse money orders.

#48 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.​

Go ahead.

We covered the money order on a number of occasions going back two and a half YEARS (30 months).

Here's a recent one from a month ago where I linked to the earlier discussion.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12284929&postcount=2623

Hank

I agree and I will, no worries. I’m just curious to see if smartcooky actually have any evidence of his claim that there was no need of bank endorsment stamps on money orders 1963, or if he/she just made it up and runned with it.

I think I’ll wait a little bit more to see what happens. Should be fun.

He supplied. You ignored. Ball in your park. Still looking for your promised evidence. Coming this millenium?

Hank

 

[bknight]

Yes. It is important to argue the evidence as real if not proven fraudelent. And yes, there is no consensus on anything in the x-rays.

But I can see why the HSCA medical panel came to their conclusion, believing that the x-rays was authenticated and the autopsy photos was from the actual autopsy, not from after the restoration of JFK’s body.

[snip]

All these people could not be wrong. It is impossible.

More bare assertions.
Cite, Explain and discuss

 

[HSienzant]

Your decades long association with McAdams shines through in every sentence, Hank.

Are you aware of this?

#49 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.​

Hank

 

[Hans]

No, it was not. It was and is your membership in the Mighty Church of the Loony Nutters, that made the connection for you.

Just ”slightly above” your unconcious id.

Oh are you member of the sectarian order of the bleeding fruit cake, wireless redemption and multiple invisible shooters?

 

[MicahJava]

The most recent Money Order forum post on the education forum got pretty intense. I recommend all things money order-related starting there.

 

[Hans]

Lets keep track of this by day

This is day two of no evidence

This post will be reposted each day until the questions are answered to H's satisfaction.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12315185&postcount=4285

 

[HSienzant]

Agree. This was the most common response on the ground among the DPD officers and the deputy sheriffs.

#50 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.​

Almost sleepwalking with their collective wetted index finger in the air waiting for wind direction.

#51 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.​

All this changed when a ”fellow cop” got killed and they transformed to a hornets nest very easy to persuade/manipulate in pointing out and catch/kill the guilty villain.

#52 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.​

It is paramount for every law enforcement to quickly as hell arrest a ”cop killer” in order to restore the ”respect” and thereby security for its officers.

#53 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.​

Guilty or not guilty is secondary to that.

#54 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.​

That certainly was the case in Dallas.

#55 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.​

Your argument makes no sense. You're claiming someone kills a cop and the police department doesn't care if they get the cop killer off the streets or not. Anyone could be arrested, the cop killer could be free to kill another cop, and somehow that would satisfy the police and somehow restore security to the force. With a cop killer free to kill another cop and another and another -- while the police railroaded more innocent citizens.

That's your argument? You're welcome to it. Like all your others, it's beyond reason.

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

Earlier today I asked Manifesto about his experience in osteology and got back an irrelevant answer, which I pushed back on. I also provided him with specifics for an issue we were working on since yesterday or the day before, that of where he's getting his knowledge of U.S. intelligence inside practices.

In his return this evening, Manifesto has posted several times but with no apparent purpose beyond insulting his critics. That doesn't seem like the proper priority for someone who claims he answers all questions.

Hank

 

[manifesto]

Oh are you member of the sectarian order of the bleeding fruit cake, wireless redemption and multiple invisible shooters?

That’s the thing, Hans, I’m not a member of anything except my citizenship and humanity.

Spitted upon by the Mighty Church.

 

[manifesto]

The most recent Money Order forum post on the education forum got pretty intense. I recommend all things money order-related starting there.

There are lots of threads on the subject. Could you provide a link?

 

[HSienzant]

ETA - When the assassin actually is an evil communist, you don't need the scare quotes.

Especially one with a history of attempting to kill political figures opposed to Castro.

Hank

You make that sound like it's a bad thing. Screw American capitalism and screw their government for their decadely harassment and murder of poor people for profit.

Political assassination? Yeah, I'm opposed to it.

If you're not, what's your beef with Oswald killing Kennedy?

Hank