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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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manifesto said:
Wrong about what? Ask your little blue idiot smileys, they know.

They always do.
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Do they? I think I'll ask MicahJava instead. You ;) are just wrong too much.

You ;) and he do agree on one thing. Neither one of you ;) want to answer the question about why Oswald went on to murder Officer Tippitt after assassinating JFK. The answer just destroys your illusions about your CT ;) religion.
 
manifesto said:
- I know that at least two shooters fired at least 5 rifle shots, four from behind the limo and one, the fatal headshot, from in front behind the picket fence on the knoll.
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Where'd those bullets go? Why didn't the people standing or sitting on the Grassy Knoll and by the picket fence no see anyone shooting from that place? Why did the majority of people hear only two or three shots? Why couldn't two professional marksmen hit and kill JFK before he reached the freeway sign?

- That the cover up kicked in as soon the last shot was fired.
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Then why did the DPD try to force Buell Wesley Frazier into signing a confession that he was part of a conspiracy to kill JFK? Why did all of the FBI field offices in the Gulf States, New York, and Los Angeles all receive memos from the Director's Office ordering them to contact ALL of their CI's to see if any of them knew Oswald, or knew someone who did. Why was the CIA's Mexico City Station grilling its informants in the Soviet and Cuban embassies about Oswald's visit, and why was Langley harassing the Mexico City Station to keep grilling its informants until they got better answers (that never came)?

I ask only because two parts of your axis of evil were working hard to either link or frame Oswald as being part of a conspiracy for the next year.

- That Oswald did not shoot anyone that day and that he was the patsy he claimed he was.
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He murdered Tippit and tried to shoot a second DPD officer at the theater. His fingerprints are on HIS rifle, and it was found on the floor where he worked along with the wrapping paper with fibers from the blanket he kept the rifle wrapped in. He fled the scene.

He was his own patsy.

- That JFK was assassinated in a covert coup d’etat because he was leading the US and the rest of the world in a completely different direction than that of the US National Security State.
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History says no.

There is no such thing as the National Security State, the phrase is only used in this country by the Alt-Right (Nazis). This is what happens when you don't check your source material.

- That (elements within) the CIA was behind the planning and execution of the assassination, using the same network/nexus used in the attempts to assassinate Castro.
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So now you accuse RFK of assassinating his brother? He was running Mongoose.

Kind of weird since you've also claimed that the Kennedys weren't trying to kill Castro, and the CIA worked for them.

- That LBJ and Hoover was in on it guaranteeing the cover up.
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Old hippie crap. Only makes sense if you're on acid. Both men would have loved to link Oswald to Cuba. Why? Look at a map and you might notice that Cuba is closer to the US than Vietnam. And Hoover would have used the assassination to roll up every communist group within the country.

Had you bothered to read any of the new files you'd see that Hoover saw communists/Soviet influence behind everything.

- That some of the highest military brass was in on it and prepared to intervene if the cover up did not succeed, making the coup overt.
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Name one.

- That heavy elements within MSM in connection with CIA/Dulles was in on it, providing the necessary propaganda and cover up.
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Lol.

- That most of all those who took part in the cover up on different levels did it for reasons of National Security, black mail and/or following orders.
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Never happened.;)

- That the cover up, when institutionalized, became impossible to uncover without a revolutionary change in US society.
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You mean a society with kangaroo courts and show trials where the accused are guilty with no defense? That kind of change?

You and our current President would get along just fine.

Shall I continue?
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Please do.;)
 
manifesto said:
- I know that at least two shooters fired at least 5 rifle shots, four from behind the limo and one, the fatal headshot, from in front behind the picket fence on the knoll.
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Evidence?

manifesto said:
- That the cover up kicked in as soon the last shot was fired.

- That Oswald did not shoot anyone that day and that he was the patsy he claimed he was.
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Evidence?

manifesto said:
- That JFK was assassinated in a covert coup d’etat because he was leading the US and the rest of the world in a completely different direction than that of the US National Security State.
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Evidence?

manifesto said:
- That (elements within) the CIA was behind the planning and execution of the assassination, using the same network/nexus used in the attempts to assassinate Castro.
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Evidence?

manifesto said:
- That LBJ and Hoover was in on it guaranteeing the cover up.
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Evidence?

manifesto said:
- That some of the highest military brass was in on it and prepared to intervene if the cover up did not succeed, making the coup overt.
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Evidence?

manifesto said:
- That heavy elements within MSM in connection with CIA/Dulles was in on it, providing the necessary propaganda and cover up.
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Evidence?

manifesto said:
- That most of all those who took part in the cover up on different levels did it for reasons of National Security, black mail and/or following orders.
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Evidence?

manifesto said:
- That the cover up, when institutionalized, became impossible to uncover without a revolutionary change in US society.
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Evidence?

manifesto said:
Shall I continue?
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Only if you can provide... evidence!!
 
Hans said:
That sure is a great use of the 'E' question.
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I'm not prepared to spend a lot of time asking questions that manifesto refuses point blank to answer.

I'm still waiting for him to explain the methodology behind the analysis of the sounds on the dictabelt (those that were claimed to be gunfire) and why the microphone has to be in certain places at certain times for the analysis to mean anything. I am pretty sure I won't get an answer to this because manifesto clearly doesn't know. He has no understanding of the science behind it because he simply parrots what his conspiraloon sites tell him to think.

I'm still waiting for his answer to the question posed by RoboTimbo (et al) as to why Oswald murdered Officer Tippitt and then attempted to murder more officers in the theater with the same gun when they had him cornered? I am sure I won't get an answer to this because manifesto knows that the answer to this will bring his whole claim of Oswald's innocence (and by inference, his whole conspiracy) crashing down around his neck.

I'm still waiting for manifesto to answer Hank's questions about the number of alleged "knoll shooter" witnesses (reported in conspiraloon sites) who are actually TSBD witnesses, and to accept that the conspiraloon sites have fabricated or manipulated reports to seem like there were more knoll shooter witnesses than there were TSBD shooter witnesses, when the truth is that it is other other way around. I don't expect any answers to this, because he won't want to make the people who run the conspiraloon sites appear dishonest.

I think Hank is waiting for a helluva lot more answers than I am, some going back years.
 
smartcooky said:
I'm not prepared to spend a lot of time asking questions that manifesto refuses point blank to answer.

I'm still waiting for him to explain the methodology behind the analysis of the sounds on the dictabelt (those that were claimed to be gunfire) and why the microphone has to be in certain places at certain times for the analysis to mean anything. I am pretty sure I won't get an answer to this because manifesto clearly doesn't know. He has no understanding of the science behind it because he simply parrots what his conspiraloon sites tell him to think.

I'm still waiting for his answer to the question posed by RoboTimbo (et al) as to why Oswald murdered Officer Tippitt and then attempted to murder more officers in the theater with the same gun when they had him cornered? I am sure I won't get an answer to this because manifesto knows that the answer to this will bring his whole claim of Oswald's innocence (and by inference, his whole conspiracy) crashing down around his neck.

I'm still waiting for manifesto to answer Hank's questions about the number of alleged "knoll shooter" witnesses (reported in conspiraloon sites) who are actually TSBD witnesses, and to accept that the conspiraloon sites have fabricated or manipulated reports to seem like there were more knoll shooter witnesses than there were TSBD shooter witnesses, when the truth is that it is other other way around. I don't expect any answers to this, because he won't want to make the people who run the conspiraloon sites appear dishonest.

I think Hank is waiting for a helluva lot more answers than I am, some going back years.
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Yep you experts are doing a great job it is a joy to watch you guys work. I would note that the man is question is only interested in demanding evidence from you guys so he can set himself up as judge and dismiss it all. It's a power thing - he doesn't get to do his power thing if he is answering other people's questions.

Let's just sit back and see if he adjusts or keeps trying to run the 'demand and deny' methodology.
 
Hans said:
Yep you experts are doing a great job it is a joy to watch you guys work. I would note that the man is question is only interested in demanding evidence from you guys so he can set himself up as judge and dismiss it all. It's a power thing - he doesn't get to do his power thing if he is answering other people's questions.

Let's just sit back and see if he adjusts or keeps trying to run the 'demand and deny' methodology.
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I'm no "expert" on the JFK assassination, but my avionics engineering background gives me the skills to understand some of the technical and physics based aspects of the story; radio, electrical, electronics, audio, and to a limited extent, ballistics (which is a skill I am still researching and learning about).
 
smartcooky said:
I'm no "expert" on the JFK assassination, but my avionics engineering background gives me the skills to understand some of the technical and physics based aspects of the story; radio, electrical, electronics, audio, and to a limited extent, ballistics (which is a skill I am still researching and learning about).
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Okay, okay I'll down grade you from expert to knowledgeable guy on technical issues x and y. BUT no more fruits baskets, key to the executive washroom and forget the free yogurt and energy drinks.
 
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