Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[markie]

Wait what?!?! "closed Suncell prototype"?!?! Ain't the "Advanced SunCell® Design" supposed to "operate in air, no sealed chamber required"?

You're not understanding. Now the sealed Suncell can operate in in air, rather than having to be contained in a larger, sealed unit that contained an Argon and Hydrogen atmosphere.

 

[markie]

Do you have any idea how utterly stupid the highlighted bit sounds?
Silver melts at 1235 K, it boils at 2435 K. That is about 1200 K in difference.

So, either Mills is incapable of looking up basic physics facts (largely proven by his many 'theories') and thus uses FAR to much power to start his so-called machine, OR his machine produces power in massive excess which he then has failed to in any way capitalize on. Now he has also shown not to know how to turn heat into power, so this would also utter incompetence.

So no matter how you look at him, the man is an incompetent in anything to do with engineering.

Of course it "produces power in massive excess". That's the whole idea. The silver is not just vaporized, it is ionized by the eUV radiation given off by hydrino formation. You think it's a walk in the park to get everything working without something going wrong. It is not. Mills details some of the challenges in his quarterly report.

 

[markie]

I'd like to see the photograph of the laboratory surroundings, all coated in condensed silver vapor. That would be something to see.

I suspect, though, that no such photographs exist, because all the evaporated silver actually re-condensed at the local WE BUY GOLD AND SILVER shop.

I'm sure some fume hoods at BLP will have a silver lining.

 

[The Man]

Of course I remember the interdigitating gears. That was really the first iteration of the SunCell concept - which involved exploding metal hydrate pellets or slurry on the rotating gear mechanism which carried the high electrical current. It's all still on Youtube. There was no MHD involved then however.

The SunCell environment and mechanism has come a long way since then. Much more elegant.

There doesn't appear to be much if any MHD involved in the purported MHD variant either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_generator

As usual others have come a longer way in the related field over the decades. Seriously, if you're going to just pick a technology out of a hat at least try not to go with the least efficient and most limited application (Faraday generator) of that technology.

ETA:

Heck, looking at the design again it ain't even a decent Faraday generator. The round electromagnets are going to reduce the length of stable field exposure and if the earlier concept drawing is accurate to the design the conducting electrodes are parallel to not perpendicular to the magnetic field.

 

[The Man]

You're not understanding. Now the sealed Suncell can operate in in air, rather than having to be contained in a larger, sealed unit that contained an Argon and Hydrogen atmosphere.

Ah so "no sealed chamber required" except for the, well, "sealed chamber" still required but apparently still not obtained. The lack of understanding sure as heck ain't mine.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

Of course I remember the interdigitating gears. That was really the first iteration of the SunCell concept - which involved exploding metal hydrate pellets or slurry on the rotating gear mechanism which carried the high electrical current. It's all still on Youtube. There was no MHD involved then however.

The SunCell environment and mechanism has come a long way since then. Much more elegant.

Burning metal gets you nowhere because it takes energy to distill/refine the metals to begin with. Thus the elegance you talk about is merely the elegance of hiding the true source of the energy anomaly Mills falsely claims comes from hydrinos.

As stated before, it is nothing more than conjurers tricks and deception. Pure illusion due to you WANTING to believe it is true, and Mills planting a seed to misdirect.

In reality there is no over-unity device period. It is an impossibility. Actually even if hydrinos were real it still couldn't be an over-unity device! (stealing back whatever energy they emitted when they go back to normal hydrogen) So that alone should be proof enough that what Mills described is a hoax. It couldn't possibly work better closed than open. In a closed system even if hydrinos were real it couldn't physically produce over-unity just by recycling reactants. (even under Mills so called new physics)

It was pretty much the nail in the coffin when Mills finally played the over-unity/perpetual motion machine card. Now it is nothing but scorn and derision for anyone still foolish enough to believe the hoax.

 

[Darat]

Of course I remember the interdigitating gears. That was really the first iteration of the SunCell concept - which involved exploding metal hydrate pellets or slurry on the rotating gear mechanism which carried the high electrical current. It's all still on Youtube. There was no MHD involved then however.

The SunCell environment and mechanism has come a long way since then. Much more elegant.

Perhaps that's one of his problems, going for elegance rather than working?

 

[SOdhner]

It's fascinating that supposedly rational skeptics here are entertaining a wider and wilder web of conspiracy theory involving an increasing number of people in an increasingly fantastical scam over time.

You've raised an excellent point! Let's take a look closer. For grand conspiracies such as the moon landing, this is an important criticism because when you add everything up it's simply not plausible. So what about this one?

Here's the question: Is the number of people involved that would have to know it's a scam so large that paying them would require more money than the conspirators have?

For the moon landing, the answer was yes. Faking it would have involved so many people that the whole thing just falls apart. But for this one? I don't think it's an issue. You have the normal number of con artists for a free energy scam, and then as it gets more money and drags on longer you add some more staff - some of which are directly in on it, some probably know but not officially and are just apathetic, and some may be true believers. Then you pay a few actual scientists to say it's legit.

This is all in line with other scams, and would still allow them to operate at a profit.

So that's the 'number of people' part. You also said the scam was "wild" and "fantastical" and so for that part we would need to look at the core claims:

For this to be a conspiracy in the way that has been described, the following would need to be true:

1. Someone is greedy and willing to lie, and can find people to work with him - many of which would also need to be greedy and willing to lie. (So far so good, these people are not in short supply.)

2. That person would need to make up a free energy device that sounds sciency but isn't real. (This happens all the time.)

3. That person would then need to offer up a string of excuses and explanations that would allow them to keep collecting investment money without producing a marketable product. (Nothing wild or fantastical about that.)

4. They would then have to find scientists willing to say the tech is legit. This is really a sub-set of point one above. (Still not a problem, scientists are people too and often underpaid at that.)

That's really it. None of that is wild or fantastical. Now think about what would need to be true for this to NOT be a conspiracy...

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Of course it "produces power in massive excess". That's the whole idea. The silver is not just vaporized, it is ionized by the eUV radiation given off by hydrino formation. You think it's a walk in the park to get everything working without something going wrong. It is not. Mills details some of the challenges in his quarterly report.

But all those challenges were solved decades ago. They are called nuclear reactors.
So all he would have had to do was buy an engineering book and plug his method in.

Seriously. EVERY challenge Mills claims to run into has been solved so long ago they are engineering solutions now. If not even archaic technology like steam engines.

No skin of my nose, I have no money invested in him, but it's sad to see how those who he has conned keep hoping for 'any moment now'.

Now before you trot out the 'nuclear fusion takes long too', lets not forget we can actually PRODUCE nuclear fusion. You know, independently and by anyone with the money and time. Several craters in the world are proof of that.

Hmmm, looking at that line of thought, why has Mills not militarized his uncontrollable exothermic reaction?

 

[markie]

Burning metal gets you nowhere because it takes energy to distill/refine the metals to begin with. Thus the elegance you talk about is merely the elegance of hiding the true source of the energy anomaly Mills falsely claims comes from hydrinos.

As stated before, it is nothing more than conjurers tricks and deception. Pure illusion due to you WANTING to believe it is true, and Mills planting a seed to misdirect.

In reality there is no over-unity device period. It is an impossibility. Actually even if hydrinos were real it still couldn't be an over-unity device! (stealing back whatever energy they emitted when they go back to normal hydrogen) So that alone should be proof enough that what Mills described is a hoax. It couldn't possibly work better closed than open. In a closed system even if hydrinos were real it couldn't physically produce over-unity just by recycling reactants. (even under Mills so called new physics)

It was pretty much the nail in the coffin when Mills finally played the over-unity/perpetual motion machine card. Now it is nothing but scorn and derision for anyone still foolish enough to believe the hoax.

Your incorrect assumption is that this is about oxidizing metals. It is not. In fact oxidation has proven a hindrance to the hydrino formation environment.

Of course we are not talking about an over unity device. The SunCell would be no more over unity than an internal combustion engine. But if nature provides hydrocarbons to burn, we take them and extract their potential energy. If nature provides Hydrogen atoms that have not yet fallen below ground state, we take them and extract their potential energy. Simple.

 

[halleyscomet]

I'm sure some fume hoods at BLP will have a silver lining.

I will say this for Mills, he's much better at running the "perpetual failed product" con than the folks behind Theranos. He knows how to avoid scrutiny by regulatory agencies. He also knows to keep the takes from individual marks small enough to make litigation to recover the funds more expensive than walking away.

What did Theranos in was massive, multi-million dollar deals that would inevitably expose the fact that they didn't have a working product, while attracting the attention of government regulatory agencies. Mills is going on 30 years with his more modest version of the con, while Elizabeth Holmes didn't make it to 15.

 

[markie]

You've raised an excellent point! Let's take a look closer. For grand conspiracies such as the moon landing, this is an important criticism because when you add everything up it's simply not plausible. So what about this one?

Here's the question: Is the number of people involved that would have to know it's a scam so large that paying them would require more money than the conspirators have?

For the moon landing, the answer was yes. Faking it would have involved so many people that the whole thing just falls apart. But for this one? I don't think it's an issue. You have the normal number of con artists for a free energy scam, and then as it gets more money and drags on longer you add some more staff - some of which are directly in on it, some probably know but not officially and are just apathetic, and some may be true believers. Then you pay a few actual scientists to say it's legit.

This is all in line with other scams, and would still allow them to operate at a profit.

So that's the 'number of people' part. You also said the scam was "wild" and "fantastical" and so for that part we would need to look at the core claims:

For this to be a conspiracy in the way that has been described, the following would need to be true:

1. Someone is greedy and willing to lie, and can find people to work with him - many of which would also need to be greedy and willing to lie. (So far so good, these people are not in short supply.)

2. That person would need to make up a free energy device that sounds sciency but isn't real. (This happens all the time.)

3. That person would then need to offer up a string of excuses and explanations that would allow them to keep collecting investment money without producing a marketable product. (Nothing wild or fantastical about that.)

4. They would then have to find scientists willing to say the tech is legit. This is really a sub-set of point one above. (Still not a problem, scientists are people too and often underpaid at that.)

That's really it. None of that is wild or fantastical. Now think about what would need to be true for this to NOT be a conspiracy...

So cozy and comfy talking in the abstract. Look at the history. Look at the profiles of the people involved. These are real people and scientists here, which you so glibly infer are morally corrupt and bought off to tell lies. Get a ethical grip man.

 

[markie]

But all those challenges were solved decades ago. They are called nuclear reactors.
So all he would have had to do was buy an engineering book and plug his method in.

Seriously. EVERY challenge Mills claims to run into has been solved so long ago they are engineering solutions now. If not even archaic technology like steam engines.

No skin of my nose, I have no money invested in him, but it's sad to see how those who he has conned keep hoping for 'any moment now'.

Now before you trot out the 'nuclear fusion takes long too', lets not forget we can actually PRODUCE nuclear fusion. You know, independently and by anyone with the money and time. Several craters in the world are proof of that.

Hmmm, looking at that line of thought, why has Mills not militarized his uncontrollable exothermic reaction?

Uncontrollable exothermic reaction? Hardly. The reaction is easily quenched. Militarization of the hydrino reaction will be very difficult.

 

[theprestige]

Mills has achieved excess energy - sometimes for months - with earlier cells over the last 20 years, but bluntly put they were not good enough for the marketplace.

A device that fits in the back of a truck and produces energy for months at a time would be extremely useful to the military. Deploy them to forward bases to charge all the electronics that modern soldiers have to carry.

 

[theprestige]

Uncontrollable exothermic reaction? Hardly. The reaction is easily quenched. Militarization of the hydrino reaction will be very difficult.

Why not just license the basic patents to the Navy, and let them figure out how to build a powerplant around the reaction? Unbeatable revenue stream, right there.

And that's just the beginning. Once the Navy has figured it out, and the powerplant technology is on the civilian market, there'll be no shortage of customers looking to license Mills' patents and build their own Navy engines.

 

[jrhowell]

We have been focused on a much more advanced design that has the capacity to generate arbitrarily high power with much less complex systems that should have a significant impact on the time to commercialization.

Militarization of the hydrino reaction will be very difficult.

Who is right here? I would say neither!

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Uncontrollable exothermic reaction? Hardly. The reaction is easily quenched. Militarization of the hydrino reaction will be very difficult.

So then it should not vaporize silver and be very easy to use to create power.

So your previous comment about how hard that is and how much engineering is needed was a lie (by either you or Mills).

 

[markie]

A device that fits in the back of a truck and produces energy for months at a time would be extremely useful to the military. Deploy them to forward bases to charge all the electronics that modern soldiers have to carry.

Problem is that a large CIHT cell from around 2012 could only net out about one hundred watts if I recall rightly. Mills thought they could tweak the process to get much more power, but oxidation issues from higher voltages (as I recall) thwarted their plans. Outdone by a large solar panel.

 

[markie]

Why not just license the basic patents to the Navy, and let them figure out how to build a powerplant around the reaction? Unbeatable revenue stream, right there.

And that's just the beginning. Once the Navy has figured it out, and the powerplant technology is on the civilian market, there'll be no shortage of customers looking to license Mills' patents and build their own Navy engines.

Very early on, early 1990s, Mills did licence over a patent to ThermaCore. As I recall it involved heated copper tubes through which H2 gas was bubbled. Produced excess energy, but Thermacore was unable to develop it further to increase the power density and thus make it marketable.

 

[JeanTate]

So cozy and comfy talking in the abstract. Look at the history.

OK

... nothing in relevant, peer-reviewed journals, of the "independent verification" kind.

... ~30 years of promises of working/commercial/whatever devices within mere months.

... no dramatic breakthroughs in cancer treatments, despite promises.

...

Look at the profiles of the people involved. These are real people and scientists here, which you so glibly infer are morally corrupt and bought off to tell lies. Get a ethical grip man.

Hilite added.

Doesn't look glib to me.

And the fact that none of the scientists have yet been awarded any Nobel Prizes says rather a lot about their scientific creds, wouldn't you say?