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Wearing a MAGA Hat While Black

What I find more telling is the media coverage of this incident rather than the incident itself. I feel there's two sides to every story and most posters to the extent that they believe this case took place feel that the actions of the restaurant employees was not appropriate and that their behavior is reprehensible.

Having said that, when I see the degree of anti-Trump behavior in the media - to the extreme that they blatantly ignore some of the context of his remarks to pass along the tyrant/racist/anti-immigrant narrative - I see this case having the same coverage bias undertones. If this had been an Obama or Hillary supporter, the coverage in the media would be A LOT different.
 
Brainster said:
So is it alright to verbally and physically assault Trump supporters?

This BS has gone on far too long, and I am no longer going to dismiss it. Okay, you think Trump is Hitler and those of us who are perceived as supporting him are goose-stepping fools/goons/whatever.

Alright, so 15 months into Herr Trumpler's reign and he must be fomenting incredible hatred against minorities, right?.

Check. A couple of black men got refused bathroom privileges at Starbucks. Let's call that Starbucknacht.

A black woman was harassed by a white feminist at Yale. A black family was harassed by a white woman for burning charcoals in a grill that was not for charcoals. And a whole lot of other incidents that add up to people (on both sides) acting badly but badly in a 2000s sense--they call the cops and let them sort it out.

But, you know, just a tad short of what I would expect from a society anywhere near enacting a holocaust on some (so far unnamed) ethnic group that would make the Hitler analogy complete. Don't get me wrong, you are to be applauded for your vigilance, as is the guy protecting America from attacks by rogue elephants. The next time either of you might be right and we will be grateful.
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I like how in the space of one post you go from whining about how unfairly Trump supporters are treated to telling minority communities to shut up and stop making such a big deal about every little perceived slight.

It’s a cognitive dissonance central to the worldview of Trump supporters.
 
Mumbles said:
That would be true, if I agreed that they were racial epithets or racial slurs.

I do not.

At most, they need to stay in their own lane. And again, if they're black, then they're looking out for themselves, their families, and their communities against a clear threat (and again, an actual "I think it's fine for police to attack black people without cause" threat, not a "don't bring a white person into my neighborhood" fake threat), so I have no major objection.

Much like I figure transgendered people can call Caitlyn Jenner whatever they wish for *her* endorsement of Dolt 45, but when I point out that his anti-trans moves were entirely predictable, and that she was therefore a fool to endorse him and claim that he'd be all for equality for trans people, but I'm not going to use certain terms, because that's not my lane.



Exactly.

ETA: Again, there are differences between "conservative" (many black people are this), "Republican" (far fewer black people are this), and "Toupee Fiasco supporter" (very few black people are this). I'd strongly object to anyone calling Michael Steele, Colin Powell, or even Tim Scott "race traitors", because I think that's deeply mistaken. But for black people who support the current US president...well...I won't say it myself, but I'm not objecting if another black person does.
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“Your lane”. Let’s be honest, what you really mean is “your place”. And if you really believe you should stay in your plac...err sorry, “your lane”, then you’ve been indoctrinated into thinking you’re lesser than some people in some contexts.

You should give freethinking a try.
 
Tony said:
“Your lane”. Let’s be honest, what you really mean is “your place”. And if you really believe you should stay in your plac...err sorry, “your lane”, then you’ve been indoctrinated into thinking you’re lesser than some people in some contexts.

You should give freethinking a try.
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I did, and I find no problem with anyone saying "this thing that you do/support/etc. is actively harmful to us, the people who you insist that you are helping." We do it in families, we do it in neighborhoods, and given the way the US is organized, we do it in sociopolitical groups. And what's more, I know that people "inside" the group can, and often will, be more angry, and more rude, about it than people outside it.

And furthermore, I know that what language is acceptable depends on social group, setting, etc. Office talk and bedroom talk aren't the same. Talk between family members and talk among strangers are not the same.

What you wrote gives me no reason at all to think that this suddenly, magically, hold true for black and/or trans people. A person who isn't in the black American community has no place saying "You are harming our black American community." - which is what "race traitor" means - because there is no shared black American community, tautologically.
 
Foolmewunz said:
I love the number of conservative flies this stinking pile of crap story has attracted.

This would seem to be just like the liars who claimed that Trump supporters told them they better watch themselves, go to the back of the bus, not wear their hijab, etc... All of them proved to be either outright lies or blown out of proportion. Or the whacko who claimed the big scary dark-skinned guys attacked her and mirror-wrote Obama on her forehead. Or the Trumpista liars who claim they couldn't get served because they were Trump supporters.
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No shock. Sometimes you wait it out - but in this case, I find a lot of their whining to be absurd even if taken as true, which is why I felt little need to look for any counterevidence.

It's a bit like how they suddenly love Candace Owen and her played out "democrat plantation" talking point, or Diamond and Silk (I still don't know which one is which) with their performative blackness. Anyone can see exactly what they're walking into, and it's not "sudden shift in support from nonwhite voters".

Grizzly Bear said:
What I find more telling is the media coverage of this incident rather than the incident itself. I feel there's two sides to every story and most posters to the extent that they believe this case took place feel that the actions of the restaurant employees was not appropriate and that their behavior is reprehensible.

Having said that, when I see the degree of anti-Trump behavior in the media - to the extreme that they blatantly ignore some of the context of his remarks to pass along the tyrant/racist/anti-immigrant narrative - I see this case having the same coverage bias undertones. If this had been an Obama or Hillary supporter, the coverage in the media would be A LOT different.
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No, he's very clearly a white supremacist (and not just a "I get nervous when I see a black guy walking around in my neighborhood" sense, but a "Police should be allowed to violently attack nonwhite people without interference" sense) and anti black/Hispanic immigrant (as in "Send them back where they came from, I want more white immigrants only, ICE should ignore 'violent' immigrants because they're all violent!"). That's extensively documented, both in his statements and his actions.

As for this "You guys took me out of context!", the full context of when he and his supporters whine about this does not make him look at all better, and that includes his comments this week that were supposedly only about MS-13. Only recourse here is that he's such a remarkably poor speaker that he may just stumble his way into incredibly bigoted remarks sometimes, as opposed to the large number of other plainly bigoted remarks and actions he has said and done.

But in that case, how am I supposed to tell the difference, and why should I even care?
 
Grizzly Bear said:
What I find more telling is the media coverage of this incident rather than the incident itself. I feel there's two sides to every story and most posters to the extent that they believe this case took place feel that the actions of the restaurant employees was not appropriate and that their behavior is reprehensible.

Having said that, when I see the degree of anti-Trump behavior in the media - to the extreme that they blatantly ignore some of the context of his remarks to pass along the tyrant/racist/anti-immigrant narrative - I see this case having the same coverage bias undertones. If this had been an Obama or Hillary supporter, the coverage in the media would be A LOT different.
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This incident is a lot scarier to me than the other ones (Starbucks, Yale...) because it was blatant, and there is no denying what happened. He was absolutely targeted for his political affiliation, because he was black, and he was threatened with physical harm. I would consider the group of angry employees forcing this man to leave in the way they did as violence.

This is the only story of the bunch where there was anything even close to violence.

But it's the least reported of all of the stories even though it is, by far, the most disturbing and there is no doubt that bigotry was involved. I talked with two friends yesterday and neither of them had heard of this story at all but were familiar with all the other ones. I wonder why? See thread on media bias.

It's all about painting Trump, and by extension his supporters, as racists. It's just politics. All these people are hungry for an evil Republican/person to point at so they jump on these stories with seemingly little critical thought.

Republicans and conservatives are being painted as the violent ones, but it is the guy wearing the MAGA hat that actually gets the worst of it in all of these stories!

Very frustrating to see. Politics.
 
It was hard for me not to hear about this one... That mall is an area I pass by routinely and I've eaten at that restaurant before (been quite some time as of now). Guess I won't be visiting there again any time soon. I get that there's a good share of anti-trump sentiment but whether people interpret his support for Trump as misguided or otherwise racism needs to be scorned for what it is first and worry about his political affiliation last. And the coverage of the incident is uncaring precisely BECAUSE it involves support for Trump
 
mgidm86 said:
This is the only story of the bunch where there was anything even close to violence.
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I'd consider anyone threatening to call the police or ICE to be threatening violence.

And I'd consider, say, an arrest record to be potentially worse than an unrealized threat.
 
mgidm86 said:
This incident is a lot scarier to me than the other ones (Starbucks, Yale...) because it was blatant, and there is no denying what happened. He was absolutely targeted for his political affiliation, because he was black, and he was threatened with physical harm. I would consider the group of angry employees forcing this man to leave in the way they did as violence.

This is the only story of the bunch where there was anything even close to violence.

But it's the least reported of all of the stories even though it is, by far, the most disturbing and there is no doubt that bigotry was involved. I talked with two friends yesterday and neither of them had heard of this story at all but were familiar with all the other ones. I wonder why? See thread on media bias.

It's all about painting Trump, and by extension his supporters, as racists. It's just politics. All these people are hungry for an evil Republican/person to point at so they jump on these stories with seemingly little critical thought.

Republicans and conservatives are being painted as the violent ones, but it is the guy wearing the MAGA hat that actually gets the worst of it in all of these stories! Very frustrating to see. Politics.
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Really?

The stories of the special snowflakes include this kid who says he felt threatened, the Danish tourist who says one of his assailants (who grabbed his hat after telling him he wasn't leaving with it still on) had a knife and who else? Oh, yeah, there's that black dude in the New York subway. All he was doing was expressing his first amendment right to association (oh, that and punching the Mexican guy and trying to push him under a train). And for expressing his opinions, he gets arrested! Maybe Ben Shapiro's rag will take up his case. Google "MAGA Maniac"(as they Daily News called him).

People have been ostracizing political opponents for years in this country. Donnie Johnny's fans actual kick and punch demonstrators at his rallies. You're aware of that, aren't you? The dood in the subway, actually tried to kill someone. And I'm supposed to cry for conservatives who get comments (similar to those uttered by Coulter, Trump, Spencer, etc...) thrown at them? Or a guy "clenching his fists"? Really? Where's your sense of perspective, may I ask?

Speaking of "least reported", Fox national covered the MAGA Maniac incident in one story. Nothing near the coverage it gave Eugenior Joseph. Wonder why? Maybe because of what the perp said, as quoted, "You Mexicans come here to steal our jobs and you bring drugs." Gee, no, Trump hasn't inspired any bigots.
 
johnny karate said:
I like how in the space of one post you go from whining about how unfairly Trump supporters are treated to telling minority communities to shut up and stop making such a big deal about every little perceived slight.

It’s a cognitive dissonance central to the worldview of Trump supporters.
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From my understanding the post was directed toward extreme actions like this case. Funny how a post would be about the topic at hand.
 
Mumbles said:
I'd consider anyone threatening to call the police or ICE to be threatening violence.

And I'd consider, say, an arrest record to be potentially worse than an unrealized threat.
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Just because you say "I think thing x is actually thing y " doesn't make it true. You just end up making your point weaker.
 
sadhatter said:
Just because you say "I think thing x is actually thing y " doesn't make it true. You just end up making your point weaker.
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I'll rephrase:

Threatening state violence for someone because of their perceived race is definitely just as bad as what is supposed to have occured here, if not worse. It's George Zimmerman/Michael Dunn-style, aggressive bigotry, except these folks (BBQ Becky, that woman in the Yale dorm, the idiot threatening to call ICE on people for speaking Spanish, the person who called cops on black people for walking with a baby/sitting in a Starbucks/moving into an apartment/etc.) aren't *quite* brave enough to murder the targets of their hatred themselves. Instead, they call police or ICE to harass, imprison, deport, rob, or kill random people for them - so they're basically hiring hitmen instead.

And that's why I'm perfectly fine with the latter people being driven out of jobs, losing office spaces, having mariachi bands play outside their homes, and so forth.

Happy now? Because that's actually much closer to what I wanted to say.
 
sadhatter said:
From my understanding the post was directed toward extreme actions like this case. Funny how a post would be about the topic at hand.
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To which “extreme actions” are you referring? The ones that didn’t happen in the the make-believe story? Or the knee-jerk rage and victimhood this fanciful tale inspired in conservatives?
 
mgidm86 said:
This incident is a lot scarier to me than the other ones (Starbucks, Yale...) because it was blatant, and there is no denying what happened. He was absolutely targeted for his political affiliation, because he was black, and he was threatened with physical harm. I would consider the group of angry employees forcing this man to leave in the way they did as violence.

This is the only story of the bunch where there was anything even close to violence.

But it's the least reported of all of the stories even though it is, by far, the most disturbing and there is no doubt that bigotry was involved. I talked with two friends yesterday and neither of them had heard of this story at all but were familiar with all the other ones. I wonder why? See thread on media bias.

It's all about painting Trump, and by extension his supporters, as racists. It's just politics. All these people are hungry for an evil Republican/person to point at so they jump on these stories with seemingly little critical thought.

Republicans and conservatives are being painted as the violent ones, but it is the guy wearing the MAGA hat that actually gets the worst of it in all of these stories!

Very frustrating to see. Politics.
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I feel the same way about the movie “The Exorcist”, in the it’s really scary and also fiction.
 
Mumbles said:
I'd consider anyone threatening to call the police or ICE to be threatening violence.

And I'd consider, say, an arrest record to be potentially worse than an unrealized threat.
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I'd consider someone balling their fists at someone and saying they might knock they're head off to be violent.

I would say being forced to leave a restaurant with the staff hot on your heels to be violent.

Calling the cops or ICE is not violent at all - and no, it isn't non-physical violence either. You might want to look up the definition.

Or is it like the definition of racism these days - "fluid"?
 
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