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Bob001 said:
We can never be sure of that. If around 40,000 votes in three states had gone the other way, or a few thousand more Clinton voters had gone to the polls, Clinton would have won. There is no way to know how many lukewarm Clinton voters just stayed home because of the crap they were reading from Russian trolls, or how many Trumpets were motivated by it.
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You also don't know how many voted for Clinton because of the Russian tdrolls. They may have cost trump the popular vote.
 
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Bob001 said:
We can never be sure of that. If around 40,000 votes in three states had gone the other way, or a few thousand more Clinton voters had gone to the polls, Clinton would have won. There is no way to know how many lukewarm Clinton voters just stayed home because of the crap they were reading from Russian trolls, or how many Trumpets were motivated by it.
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So now we are to the, "Yeah, they did it but it didn't matter" excuse?
 
phiwum said:
A two-paragraph, well-argued post? Rather than a snarky one-liner that inevitably confuses a poster or two?

Who are you and what have you done with Cain?
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To be fair, Cain often posts out of his sarcastic persona. I think most of us are used to both of his posting styles by now.
fwiw I quite enjoy the snarky posts, perhaps because there's more that a hint of British sarcasm there.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
This and the Meadmaker's post are why I can't stand self-proclaimed, uniquely wise, above it all moderates. Trump calls Russian interference a hoax, Nunes works to undermine and hinder the Justice Department and intelligence communities, the Republican controlled White House and Congress refuse to address the interference. It is clearly one side that is failing on this issue.
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It is my opinion that the only reason Liberals care about Russian interference is because it's a lever with which to break Trump. If it can't be used to bring down the evil orange overlord, I believe that liberals in general will lose interest. Unless it can be used to demonstrate the lack of ethics and loyalty of conservatives, it's of no import to them. Conservatives only care about Russia because it's being used as a lever against Trump. If there is no direct link found between Russian interference and Trump, I believe conservatives will lose interest. Unless it can be used to demonstrate that liberals are involved in a witch hunt, it's of no import to them.

So basically, in my opinion, the only reason that *most* people care about Russian interference is because of either a deep-seated and irrational reverence of Trump, or a deep-seated and rabid hatred of Trump. Very few people actually seem to care about the actions of Russia on its own merits and as a separate issue.
 
quadraginta said:
I think you're putting the cart before the horse.

A lot of people are concerned about the Russians' involvement with the Trump campaign and administration and if there is substance to Trump's complicity, then Trump needs to be gotten rid of.
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That's exactly the point. You aren't talking about the impact of Russian activity as a thing in and of itself. Most are only talking about how Russian activity could be used to bring Trump down, or how it's a witch hunt.
 
Emily's Cat said:
It is my opinion that the only reason Liberals care about Russian interference is because it's a lever with which to break Trump.
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You know, some of us remember when the Russians were not our close allies who we looked up to. Some of us who remember this are more than a bit concerned that the party of Reagan is not bothered by Russian interference with our democratic process. There was a time, not so long ago, when this would have caused Republicans to freak the hell out. I would say that is the bigger partisan swing.
 
Dr. Keith said:
You know, some of us remember when the Russians were not our close allies who we looked up to. Some of us who remember this are more than a bit concerned that the party of Reagan is not bothered by Russian interference with our democratic process. There was a time, not so long ago, when this would have caused Republicans to freak the hell out. I would say that is the bigger partisan swing.
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I said nothing about partisan swing. Did you read the entirety of my post, or did you simply stop at the first part that appeared insulting to liberals and completely miss the point?
 
Emily's Cat said:
I said nothing about partisan swing. Did you read the entirety of my post, or did you simply stop at the first part that appeared insulting to liberals and completely miss the point?
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I thought the point of the post was to simply vent your fact-free opinion.

Was there a takeaway I missed ?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump tweets

"Wow, word seems to be coming out that the Obama FBI “SPIED ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WITH AN IMBEDDED INFORMANT.” Andrew McCarthy says, “There’s probably no doubt that they had at least one confidential informant in the campaign.” If so, this is bigger than Watergate!"

Yes Donald it is, have you just realised?
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Hannity yesterday for the 3 minutes I could stand listening to it was all about the deep state, Clinton and Obama.

Coming from a mainstream news channel, it's scary stuff.

Trump in a meeting about sanctuary cities is claiming all the people getting deported are vicious criminals.

And there was that idiot lawyer that's gone viral freaking out about people speaking Spanish in a fast food place, ranting that he's paying for all their welfare and they should at least speak English.

This has to stop, it really does. McCarthy Era 2.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I said nothing about partisan swing. Did you read the entirety of my post, or did you simply stop at the first part that appeared insulting to liberals and completely miss the point?
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Sorry, my efforts to conserve precious pixels have failed.

Emily's Cat said:
It is my opinion that the only reason Liberals care about Russian interference is because it's a lever with which to break Trump. If it can't be used to bring down the evil orange overlord, I believe that liberals in general will lose interest. Unless it can be used to demonstrate the lack of ethics and loyalty of conservatives, it's of no import to them. Conservatives only care about Russia because it's being used as a lever against Trump. If there is no direct link found between Russian interference and Trump, I believe conservatives will lose interest. Unless it can be used to demonstrate that liberals are involved in a witch hunt, it's of no import to them.

So basically, in my opinion, the only reason that *most* people care about Russian interference is because of either a deep-seated and irrational reverence of Trump, or a deep-seated and rabid hatred of Trump. Very few people actually seem to care about the actions of Russia on its own merits and as a separate issue.
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As to the highlighted: I would say the exact opposite. The only reason republican politicians do not care that the president of the United States has had significant dealings with Russia, has encouraged Russian interference in our elections, has obstructed investigations into Russian interference in our elections and appears to really admire and envy the Russian president is because he is a Republican. Not the other way around.

These are all things that were unthinkable acts of treason to republicans only a few years ago. Mitt Romney being one good example of a Republican who thought Russia was our biggest threat.

Republicans cozying up to the Russians is just mind twisting for anyone who can remember the last 30 years.

Seriously, if Obama or Clinton had smoked a Russian cigarette, republicans would have started impeachment hearings over it.*



*Assuming Russian cigarettes are anything like East German cigarettes of the late eighties, the impeachment would have been the least of their woes.
 
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Emily's Cat said:
It is my opinion that the only reason Liberals care about Russian interference is because it's a lever with which to break Trump. ...
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Oh riiight. Who cares they bombarded social media with bots and trolls spreading fake news intended specifically to amplify discord in this country, and to effect the election giving us this incompetent criminal enterprise in the WH.

No, that's not a reason to care about Russia. :rolleyes:

There are many more reasons but if you had been paying attention to facts instead of right wing talking points you'd already know that. Given you posted the above, I imagine you aren't willing to consider the real-reality. No sense in my going on with the rest of the reasons to be concerned about Russia.
 
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Bob001 said:
We can never be sure of that. If around 40,000 votes in three states had gone the other way, or a few thousand more Clinton voters had gone to the polls, Clinton would have won. There is no way to know how many lukewarm Clinton voters just stayed home because of the crap they were reading from Russian trolls, or how many Trumpets were motivated by it.
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Hell, I’ve never seen anything supposedly put out as fake by Russians....You?
 
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