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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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How has it been explained? Phrase your issue with my logic in your words.

You might get away with pulling your shirt over your face and saying "you can't see me!" somewhere else, but it's a bad move here.

My words? you have no idea about the subject matter at hand and regurgitate some other CTist jive that you happen to agree with.
 
For the grown ups. there's been some new examinations of the terminal ballistics by Nicholas R. Nalli

https://www.heliyon.com/article/e00603

...a frontal impact at Z313 is physically ruled out. Of course, the validity of statement (34) does not rule out conjectured missed shots (although no physical evidence was ever recovered for any such shots), nor does it pinpoint the exact origin of the shot that hit (e.g., the TSBD as opposed to another nearby building). But the modeling study (and underlying dynamics and conservation laws) presented in this paper, in corroboration of the autopsy findings [25], do imply that President Kennedy was not hit by a hypothesized gunshot from the front.

The conclusion is an important one given that the hypothesized existence of a shooter in front of the limousine (viz., on the Grassy Knoll) has been the primary physical foundation for virtually all conspiracy conjectures to date on the topic.13 As a parting note, while the simple one-dimensional physical models presented in this paper were derived for application to a special case study (viz., the Kennedy Assassination), the underlying physical principles provide an approximate quantitative description of the interaction between a high-speed projectile (slowed by an intervening atmosphere) and a heterogenous body comprised of bone and visco-elastic tissue (viz., the human head), and may also form a basic conceptual basis for understanding the wounding mechanisms involved in such interactions.

ETA:

https://www.history.com/news/jfk-assassination-grassy-knoll-theory-debunked

When the president was shot, he says, Kennedy’s head exploded, as the film so graphically shows. Nalli’s model shows that the wound wasn’t where the bullet exited, but where it entered. It demonstrates that a temporary cavity formed inside the president’s soft tissue as the momentum and kinetic energy of the bullet smashed into his skull, causing his head to snap forward.

Based on his model, Nalli also thinks that the theory of a second shooter and that of the president being shot by hollow-point or soft-point bullets are also unlikely. Not only were such bullets never recovered, he writes, but the movements of Kennedy’s head are only consistent with a shot from the back.
 
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That should be the final nail in the coffin of a frontal shot to all but the dimmest of intelligence. Where will they go next?

Wash, rinse, repeat.

JFK could come back from the dead and proclaim there was no conspiracy and it wouldn't change the CTists pov.
 
That should be the final nail in the coffin of a frontal shot to all but the dimmest of intelligence.

yup... Nailed down & screwed shut!


Where will they go next?

Some predictions

1. They will handwave it away

2. They will ignore it, followed by a fringe reset and the umpteenth restating of the debunked Grassy Knoll shooter theory

3a. They will attack Mr Nalli as a devotee of "The Mighty Church of the Lone Nut"

3b. Failure to find any evidence of this will result in them just making something up from whole cloth
 
It means that not only did they peel back the scalp in order to remove the brain, but also to expose the small head wound for examination and photography.

No, that's not what incisions in the coronal plane mean.

Do look it up - you being an expert and all - and tell us where those incisions in the coronal plane were made, so as to examine the cranial contents per the autopsy report.

"INCISIONS: The scalp wounds are extended in the coronal plane to examine the cranial content"

What does the above mean, Micah Java?

Or is it your plan to ignore the clear language of the autopsy report forever and just recycle your failed arguments from nine months ago?

Hank
 
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How has it been explained? Phrase your issue with my logic in your words.


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yup... Nailed down & screwed shut!




Some predictions

1. They will handwave it away

2. They will ignore it, followed by a fringe reset and the umpteenth restating of the debunked Grassy Knoll shooter theory

3a. They will attack Mr Nalli as a devotee of "The Mighty Church of the Lone Nut"

3b. Failure to find any evidence of this will result in them just making something up from whole cloth

It's helpful to know which ones admit to being the dimmest intelligence.
 
yup... Nailed down & screwed shut!




Some predictions

1. They will handwave it away

2. They will ignore it, followed by a fringe reset and the umpteenth restating of the debunked Grassy Knoll shooter theory

3a. They will attack Mr Nalli as a devotee of "The Mighty Church of the Lone Nut"

3b. Failure to find any evidence of this will result in them just making something up from whole cloth

All of the above.

I can't even remember how many times I've posted the same videos showing the actual results of projectile impact on humans and multiple adherents of the church of Lee H (for holy) Oswald have ignored them, hand waved them away with ignorance or dug new pits of ignorance attempting to explain why bullets can't knock someone down unless they're politicians in a Lincoln in Texas.

There is no truth in them.
 
Right now I'm reading Robert Baer's The Perfect Kill: 21 Laws for Assassins and it's fascinating. The book centers on his time in Lebanon as a CIA officer, and the hunt for Hajj Radwan, Hezbollah's master strategist and assassin. The book also covers Laos, Spain, and other historic assassination plots.

I'm only a few chapters in but it is obvious why Baer sees Cuba behind Oswald. I think he's just paranoid, but its a paranoia based on history.

What is most interesting is the discussion of assassination from a practical view point of the people tasked with planning and execution. I've never seen a discussion of the mechanics involved to pull an assassination off written so cold and clear-headed. The book gives the reader a glimpse into a CIA operation to kill Radwan, and compares and contrasts it with other assassinations in history.

Baer is an admitted JFK Assassination CTist from well before he joined the CIA, and it colors his perceptions of Oswald. The problem is that Dallas doesn't look anything like the successful operations he describes in his book. Oswald certainly would never be the guy you'd put all of your chips on.

As for multiple gunmen? Hell no.

Dealey Plaza is a lousy place to put a bunch of guys with rifles, especially when the target is part of a parade where hundreds of eye-witnesses will be on ALL of the sidewalks. The county courthouse is there meaning extra police at all hours, and because JFK was a huge draw the traffic was going to be a nightmare making escape problematic.

Any idiot can see this.

The only thing that makes sense is Oswald. Oswald had the parade route handed to him, and he had the best seat in the house to make the shots. Elm Street acted as a kill-funnel; the limo rode the center yellow line, and combined with perspective from the 6th floor window wherein the the street acted as an automatic aiming system for him to line up each shot. This is evident in that each shot was more accurate the FARTHER AWAY FROM THE BUILDING the got from the building.

I like to say that Oswald got lucky, and mostly he did, but combined with his USMC training he was handed a perfect place to make history.
 
Right now I'm reading Robert Baer's The Perfect Kill: 21 Laws for Assassins and it's fascinating. The book centers on his time in Lebanon as a CIA officer, and the hunt for Hajj Radwan, Hezbollah's master strategist and assassin. The book also covers Laos, Spain, and other historic assassination plots.

I'm only a few chapters in but it is obvious why Baer sees Cuba behind Oswald. I think he's just paranoid, but its a paranoia based on history.

What is most interesting is the discussion of assassination from a practical view point of the people tasked with planning and execution. I've never seen a discussion of the mechanics involved to pull an assassination off written so cold and clear-headed. The book gives the reader a glimpse into a CIA operation to kill Radwan, and compares and contrasts it with other assassinations in history.

Baer is an admitted JFK Assassination CTist from well before he joined the CIA, and it colors his perceptions of Oswald. The problem is that Dallas doesn't look anything like the successful operations he describes in his book. Oswald certainly would never be the guy you'd put all of your chips on.

As for multiple gunmen? Hell no.

Dealey Plaza is a lousy place to put a bunch of guys with rifles, especially when the target is part of a parade where hundreds of eye-witnesses will be on ALL of the sidewalks. The county courthouse is there meaning extra police at all hours, and because JFK was a huge draw the traffic was going to be a nightmare making escape problematic.

Any idiot can see this.

The only thing that makes sense is Oswald. Oswald had the parade route handed to him, and he had the best seat in the house to make the shots. Elm Street acted as a kill-funnel; the limo rode the center yellow line, and combined with perspective from the 6th floor window wherein the the street acted as an automatic aiming system for him to line up each shot. This is evident in that each shot was more accurate the FARTHER AWAY FROM THE BUILDING the got from the building.

I like to say that Oswald got lucky, and mostly he did, but combined with his USMC training he was handed a perfect place to make history.

And the sad fact that I believe is behind the assassination is that LHO was a little man with a firearm, and that was his only tool to get into the history books.
 
Right now I'm reading Robert Baer's The Perfect Kill: 21 Laws for Assassins and it's fascinating. The book centers on his time in Lebanon as a CIA officer, and the hunt for Hajj Radwan, Hezbollah's master strategist and assassin. The book also covers Laos, Spain, and other historic assassination plots.

I'm only a few chapters in but it is obvious why Baer sees Cuba behind Oswald. I think he's just paranoid, but its a paranoia based on history.

What is most interesting is the discussion of assassination from a practical view point of the people tasked with planning and execution. I've never seen a discussion of the mechanics involved to pull an assassination off written so cold and clear-headed. The book gives the reader a glimpse into a CIA operation to kill Radwan, and compares and contrasts it with other assassinations in history.

Baer is an admitted JFK Assassination CTist from well before he joined the CIA, and it colors his perceptions of Oswald. The problem is that Dallas doesn't look anything like the successful operations he describes in his book. Oswald certainly would never be the guy you'd put all of your chips on.

As for multiple gunmen? Hell no.

Dealey Plaza is a lousy place to put a bunch of guys with rifles, especially when the target is part of a parade where hundreds of eye-witnesses will be on ALL of the sidewalks. The county courthouse is there meaning extra police at all hours, and because JFK was a huge draw the traffic was going to be a nightmare making escape problematic.

Any idiot can see this.

The only thing that makes sense is Oswald. Oswald had the parade route handed to him, and he had the best seat in the house to make the shots. Elm Street acted as a kill-funnel; the limo rode the center yellow line, and combined with perspective from the 6th floor window wherein the the street acted as an automatic aiming system for him to line up each shot. This is evident in that each shot was more accurate the FARTHER AWAY FROM THE BUILDING the got from the building.

I like to say that Oswald got lucky, and mostly he did, but combined with his USMC training he was handed a perfect place to make history.

A couple of things about this as it relates to the JFK conspiracy.

First off, there doesn't have to be a full on military style operation with multiple shooters and support personnel to carry out an assassination; RFK, MLK Jr, John Lennon, Ronald Reagan (attempt) and Archduke Ferdinand of Austria all tell us this.

There also does not have to be a truckload of support personnel in order to make a conspiracy. In United States law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit a crime, or to accomplish a legal end through illegal actions. A conspiracy does not need to have been planned in secret to meet the definition of the crime. If LHO discussed with one other person his plan to try to kill JFK, and that person agreed to it, then that is a conspiracy. Even more so if that person arranged to help in any way, e.g. planning, helping to plan, or assisting in providing a means of escape.

For mine, that corner window of the sixth floor was the perfect place for the sniper's nest.

- LHO knew the route the motorcade would take. It was published in both the Dallas Morning News and the Times-Herald on November 19th, including the turn onto Elm St, and was therefore available at least 72 hours before LHO was due to arrive at work on the Friday morning. Three days is a lifetime in planning to do what was essentially no more than shooting out of a window at slowly moving car.

- The sixth floor was essentially empty, only being used for storage so it was isolated... his chances of being caught in the attempt were minimal

- A lower floor might have meant increased chance of the shots being obstructed by trees

- Elm Street slopes down from the corner of Houston towards the triple underpass, minimizing the amount of vertical altitude change in the moving target.

- Left to right tracking of the target was minimal, and getting to almost zero as the presidential limo passed the apex of the slight left hand curve in Elm.

- Escape was as simple going down five flights of stairs. Others in the building would be doing the same thing to see what had happened so it was the perfect cover - he would not have appeared to be doing anything out of the ordinary.

One of the things that, at least to me, makes Bob Baer more palatable than other conspiracy theorists, is that he does not, to me at least, appear to ignore or handwave away evidence. With his CIA experience, he fully understands that ALL of the physical, forensic, medical and documentary evidence support only one conclusion; that LHO was the only shooter in Dealey Plaza, and that he acted alone in the actual shooting of JFK. While watching Tracking Oswald, I noticed that time and again, if something didn't seem to work, he would drop that line of reasoning rather than indulging in the standard CT practice we see manifesto and micahjava exhibiting here on a regular basis; twisting and contorting the evidence to make it fit their theory.

I also think he might possibly be onto something with the Cuban connection. Both sides in Cuba had the motive to go after JFK; Castro's Government side because of the 13 days of the missile crisis, and the Cuban anti-Castro group Alpha66 because of the perceived betrayal at the Bay of Pigs.

Police have a saying when they deal with crimes, that there are three basic elements required before you can argue that a person has committed a crime... means, motive and opportunity. Oswald had all three in spades

Means: The Mannlicher-Carcano
Motive: He hated JFK and had previously talked about killing him
Opportunity: He worked in the very building with the snipers nest

Also, both Oswald and the Cuban rebels had all three with regard to a conspiracy. However, this is just conjecture on my part, nothing is proven. There are hints and suspicions, but IMO, they fall short of hard evidence. If the Cubans and Oswald really did conspire to kill JFK, we will probably never know one way or the other.
 
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That should be the final nail in the coffin of a frontal shot to all but the dimmest of intelligence. Where will they go next?

You would think so, but as most of us know the CT's don't use science to defend their assertions, just ranting and raving, hoping to score a point. This assures the discussion of longevity rather than substance and solution.
 
You would think so, but as most of us know the CT's don't use science to defend their assertions, just ranting and raving, hoping to score a point. This assures the discussion of longevity rather than substance and solution.


Case in point: Watch Micah Java change the subject to something one of the autopsists said they recalled 33 years after the fact and ignore this sentence from the autopsy report (which he insists is correct) once more:

"INCISIONS: The scalp wounds are extended in the coronal plane to examine the cranial content"

Hank
 
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Case in point: Watch Micah Java change the subject to something one of the autopsists said they recalled 33 years after the fact and ignore this sentence from the autopsy report (which he insists is correct) once more:

"INCISIONS: The scalp wounds are extended in the coronal plane to examine the cranial content"

Hank

Whatever you think it means, that's probably not it means.

Again, not only did they peel back the scalp in order to remove the brain, but also to expose the small head wound for examination and photography. Statements by the autopsy pathologists indicate that a separate, incision was made low in the scalp to expose the small head wound.

From Dr. Pierre Finck's Clay Shaw trial testimony:

A: As I recall, the brain had been removed. Dr. Humes told me that to remove the brain he did not have to carry out the procedure you carry out when there is no wound in the skull. The wound was of such an extent, over five inches in diameter, that it was not of a great difficulty for him to remove this brain, and this is the best of my recollection. There were no removals of the wound of entry in the back of the neck, no removal of the wound of entry in the back of the head prior to my arrival, and I made a positive identification of both wounds of entry. At this time I might, for the sake of clarity, say that in the autopsy report we may have called the first wound the one in the head and the second wound the one in the neck, because we did not know the sequence of shots at that time. Again, the sequence of shots was determined by the Zapruder film, so what we did, we determined the entry of the bullet wound and stated that there were two bullet wounds, one in the back of the neck and the other in the back of the head, without giving a sequence.


3/11/1978 HSCA interview of Humes and Boswell:


Dr. PETTY: What is this opposite-oh, it must be, I can’t read it-but up close
to the tip of the ruler, there you are two centimeters down.

Dr. BOSWELL: It’s the posterior-inferior margin of the lacerated scalp.

Dr. Perry: That’s the posterior-inferior margin of the-lacerated scalp?

Dr. BOSWELL: It tore right down to that point. And then we just folded that
back and this back and an interior flap forward and that exposed almost the entire, I
guess we did have to dissect a little bit to get to-

Dr. HUMES: To get to this entrance, right?

Dr. BOSWELL: But not much, because this bone was all gone and actually the
smaller fragment fit this piece down here-there was a hole here, only half of
which was present in the bone that was intact. and this small piece then fit right
on there and the beveling on those was on the interior surface.



From Dr. Finck's interview with the HSCA:

Dr. PETTY. All right. Let me ask you one other question. In order to expose that area where the wound was present in the bone, did you have to or did someone have to dissect the I scalp off of the bone in order to show this?

Dr. FINCK. Yes.

Dr. PETTY. Was this a difficult dissection and did it go very low into the head so as to expose the external aspect of the posterior cranial fascia?

Dr. FINCK. I don't remember the difficulty involved in separating the scalp from the skull but this was done in order to have a clear view of the outside and inside to show the crater from the inside.

Dr. BADEN. Do you recall specifically that some dissection was done in the area?

Dr. FINCK. To free the skull from the scalp, to separate the scalp from the skull.

Dr. BADEN. Yes.

Dr. FINCK. Yes. I don't know who did that. I don't know the difficulty involved but the scalp is adherent to the skull and it had to be separated from it in order to show in the back of the head the wound in the bone.
 
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Whatever you think it means, that's probably not it means.

From Dr. Pierre Finck's Clay Shaw trial testimony:

1st bolded is insightful self criticism.

2nd bolded - Clay Shaw was acquitted. the jury didn't buy any of Garrisons ******** and testimony from a failed prosecution doesn't even move slowly towards proof of conspiracy - proof of the fallibility of human memory and recollection? yes.
 
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