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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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Before jumping ahead. Do you agree that Benavides did NOT identify Oswald as the killer of Tippit?

Sorry to do this to you pal.

Mary Brock:

"Mrs. BROCK was shown a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, New Orleans PD 9 112723, dated August 9, 1963, which she identified as being the same person she observed on November 22, 1963, at Ballew's Texaco Service Station."

Ted Callaway:

"I saw a white man running South on Patton with a pistol in hand. I hollered at him and he looked around at me, then kept on going. I ran around on 10th Street and saw a Police officer laying in the street. He looked dead to me. I got the officer's gun and hollered at a cab driver to come on, We might catch the man. We got into his cab, number 213 and drove up Patton to Jefferson and looked all around, but did not see him. The number 2 man in the line up that I saw at City Hall is the man I saw with the gun in his hand."

Sam Guinyard:

"I saw a white man running south on Patton Street with a pistol in his hand. The last I saw of this man he was running west on Jefferson. I went around on 10th Street and saw a policeman laying in the street. He was bloody and looked dead to me. The #2 man in the lineup I saw at the city hall is the same man I saw running with the pistol in his hand."

BM Patterson:

"A minute or so later they observed a white male approximately 30 years of age, running south on Patton Avenue, carrying what appeared to be a revolver in his hand and was obviously trying to reload same while running. When the individual reached the intersection of Patton Avenue and Jefferson Street, he placed the weapon inside his waistband and began walking west on the north side of Jefferson Street. As the individual was walking WARREN REYNOLDS suggested that they follow the individual to determine, his location in order that they could later notify the Dallas Police Department. At this point, he was unaware that a police officer had been shot and thought perhaps that the shooting had resulted from some marital problem. As the individual reached Ballew's Texaco Service Station located in the 600 Block of Jefferson, the individual made a turn in a northerly direction and proceeded behind Ballew's Texaco Service Station where the individual discarded a jacket which was later recovered by the Dallas Police Department. The aforementioned individual was not observed again by either he, PATTERSON, or WARREN REYNOLDS.

PATTERSON was shown a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD at which time he identified said photograph as being identical with the individual he had observed on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, running south on Patton Avenue with a weapon in his hand."


Warren Reynolds:

"while sitting in his office, he had observed an individual running south on Patton Avenue toward Jefferson Street and then walking at a fast rate of speed west on Jefferson. As the individual was running down Patton Avenue, he had a pistol or an automatic in his possession and was apparently attempting to conceal same in his belt while he was running. REYNOLDS advised he had previously heard shots coming from the area of Tenth and Patton Streets and, thinking that possibly a marital argument had occurred and a shooting had taken place, he attempted to follow the individual in order that he could inform the Dallas Police Department of the individual's location.

He advised he stayed at a safe distance behind the individual and last observed the individual to turn north by the Ballew Texaco Service Station, and from this point he did not again observe the individual. He advised he made inquiry at Ballew's Texaco Service Station, and they informed him the individual had gone through the parking lot.

REYNOLDS advised approximately five or ten minutes later he was informed by an unknown source that the individual whom he had been "tailing" had shot and apparently killed a uniform officer of the Dallas Police Department.

REYNOLDS was shown a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, at which time he advised he is of the opinion OSWALD is the person he had followed on the afternoon of November 22, 1963; however, he would hesitate to definitely identify OSWALD as the individual."


Harold Russell:

"HAROLD RUSSELL, employee, Johnny Reynolds Used Car Lot, 500 Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas, advised that on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, he was standing on the lot of Reynolds Used Cars together with L.J. LEWIS and PAT PATTERSON, at which time they heard shots come from the vicinity of Patton and Tenth Street, and a few seconds later they observed a young white man running south on Patton Avenue carrying a pistol or revolver which the individual was attempting to either reload or place in his belt line. Upon reaching the intersection of Patton Avenue and Jefferson Street, the individual stopped running and began walking at a fast pace, heading west on Jefferson.

RUSSELL positively identified a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, New Orleans Police Department # 112723, taken August 9, 1963, as being identical with the individual he had observed at the scene of the shooting of Dallas Police Officer J.D. TIPPIT on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, at Dallas, Texas."
 
Just to be clear. Is it your contention that H-648 sync with Z-150?

It's Dale Myers contention, which he lays out ample evidence for and you have been provided.

I believe the films synchronize to a reasonable degree of accuracy using the sections I've provided to you, plus or minus a half a second to a second either direction.
 
That is not what he said. He said this right before where your quotes begin and it is not the same thing.

"these two officers came around and asked me if I'd seen him, and I told him yes, and told them what I had seen, and they asked me if I could identify him, and I said I don't think I could. It this time I was sure, I wasn't sure that I could or not. I wasn't going to say I could identify and go down and couldn't have."
He could not identify the killer and therefore he did not want to come to the lineup.

Prior to this he gave a detailed description of the shooter that matched Oswald.
Did he? Curly hair? Square hairline in the neck? Dark skinn complexion?
 
It's Dale Myers contention, which he lays out ample evidence for and you have been provided.

I believe the films synchronize to a reasonable degree of accuracy using the sections I've provided to you, plus or minus a half a second to a second either direction.
So, is it your contention that H-648 sync with Z-150 +/- a frame or two?
 
So, is it your contention that H-648 sync with Z-150 +/- a frame or two?

As I said, the exact frames of sync is Dale Myers contention which he does a more than adequate job explaining.

I'm shooting for a reasonable point of synchronization, within a half a second to a second in both films. I've given you the spots in both films where they line up.
 
15 Witnesses to the murder of Tippit

Robert Brock
Saw a guy walking with his hands in his pockets. No gun. No shooting. Said it was Oswald after he was all over the news as ”The Killer of JFK and officer Tippit”.

Down to 13.
 
As I said, the exact frames of sync is Dale Myers contention which he does a more than adequate job explaining.

I'm shooting for a reasonable point of synchronization, within a half a second to a second in both films. I've given you the spots in both films where they line up.
Why not name the frames whithin your ”reasonable spot”?
 
Why not name the frames whithin your ”reasonable spot”?

I don't feel the need to argue over exact frames. Anyone with working eyes can use the clips I've sent you to determine that the 2 films are lined up within a reasonable margin of error.
 
Before being apprehended, yes, but Oswald was yelling this while being severely beaten by the arresting officer.

He got punched in the face while they were taking the gun out of his hand

On the drive to the police station Oswald said this:

"What is this all about?. . . I know my rights. . . A police officer has been killed?. . . I hear they burn for murder. Well, they say it just takes a second to die. . . All I did was carry a gun. . . Why are you treating me this way?. . . I am not being handled right. . . I demand my rights."

Later he tells Fritz:

I carried a pistol with me to the movie because I felt like it, for no other reason. . .

So even LEE HARVEY OSWALD SAYS HE HAD A GUN.

Evidence = reality. Bogus evidence = bogus reality.

Your reality is UFO's, Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, and the Illuminati.


Outside the Mighty Church of the Lone Nut, this has been in question since day one, still counting more than half a century later.

The evidence at the scene proved Oswald's guilt. The documents from the CIA and FBI are consistent with the known history, and confirm that both entities were actively trying to tie Oswald to a conspiracy. And yet the FBI and the mighty CIA failed at this.


Inside same Mighty Church, this became an article of religious faith the day Oswald was silenced by mafia/DPD liaison, Jack Ruby, while in custody of said DPD.

Lie. A lie spread by CTists.

I do not want a conspiracy, I want the truth to be known and the culprits brought to justice.

No, you not only want a conspiracy, you NEED a conspiracy to justify your world view. This is why you embrace every lie that suits your arguments.

Posthumous if necessary. This also includes the assassinations of all the rest of the peoples leaders assassinated by the same grouping responsible for the assassination of JFK.

Lumumba, Hammarskjöld, MLK, RFK, Arbenz, Gen. Sneyder, Alleende, Aldo Moro, ... the list is long and bloody and it is due time.

Well, we're just on the other side of the Atlantic, come and get us.

Should be noted that Aldo Moro was killed by the Red Brigade, not the CIA, which further brings your judgement into question.

Dag Hammarskjöld died in a plane crash, and you should ask the Belgians about that.

Patrice Lumumba was captured with the help of CIA, but was executed by local rivals. The CIA wanted to kill him, and Eisenhowere had ordered his death, but the locals got to him first.

Your simpleton's view of the CIA does not take into account the Cold War at all.

I believe that Oswald believed that he had infiltrated a conspiracy to assassinate JFK, and when informing his US Intel handler got the answer that the culprits would be arrested before the motorcade reached Dealey Plaza. When realizing that the assassins succeeded in ambushing JFK in spite of this, he went to the Texas Theater to meet his handler/cut out to find out what went wrong.

And that's just dumb. No right-wing group would associate with a well-known defector to the Soviet Union. No anti-Castro group would want anything to do with a former defector for fear he was KGB. The only folks who might use him as a stooge would have been a pro-Castro cell, but the recent documents from the CIA Mexico City Station reveal that the Cubans thought he was a nutjob, and wanted nothing to do with him.

An operative doesn't meet with his handler when things go wrong, they plan ahead, and the operative follows that plan. An operative would have already known what to do and where to go. Oswald was headed to the Greyhound bus depot, and there's a chance he was going to meet someone at the border, or he was just going back to Mexico City to plead his case to the Cubans as a certified hero of the Marxist revolution.

The Texas Theater was not in his plans, the fact he didn't buy a ticket proves this.

Oswald did not have the qualities expected from an assassin

And what would those qualities be?

He was a US Marine, trained to kill with a knife, bayonet, .45, and a rifle. He spoke 3 languages. Didn't stand out in a crowd. Had exceptional focus.

Have you met many assassins?

Most of the MACV-SOG guys I know have the same qualities (except they're successful in their civilian lives, unlike Oswald).


and he clearly admired JFK, bragging about the young and progressive president to his russian friends in Minsk.

And then he read in a New Orleans news paper about the operations to kill Castro sanctioned by JFK.

Like you? No he wasn’t even a liar.

Name one proven lie from Oswald. One.

From Fritz's notes:

I was never in Mexico City.

That's one.

He says he bought the pistol in Fort Worth, but won't say where he bought it.

That's two.

Oswald says:

. . . I don't own a rifle. . . I don't own a rifle at all. . . I did have a small rifle some years in the past."

Later he says:

I do not own a rifle, never possessed a rifle

Contradicting himself. That's three.

Then Oswald says:

The sack was in the car, beside me, on my lap, as it always is. . . I didn't get it crushed. It was not on the back seat. Mr. Frazier must have been mistaken or else thinking about the other time when he picked me up. . .

Uh oh, somebody's lying. That's four.

For the grownups in the room, here's Lee Oswald's interview by William Stuckey from August, 1963. The man is a serious BS artist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ZkrYBjtgk

He does state his feelings toward Cuba and Castro.;)
 
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I don't feel the need to argue over exact frames. Anyone with working eyes can use the clips I've sent you to determine that the 2 films are lined up within a reasonable margin of error.
What? You have the stills from Zapruder here: http://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

McLain is seen last time in Hughes frame 648.

Within which Zapruder frames do you place H-648?

150 - 153?

151 - 162?

Where?
 
Not close enough to give any destcription of the individual that could have been the killer.

Down to 12.

Sorry that I have to do this to you pal.

Have fun with the Davis sisters and Scoggins (positively identified Oswald as the shooter) and Callaway, Guiniyard, Patterson and Russell (positively identified Oswald as the man they saw running away from the scene of the shooting with a revolver in his hand).
 
Have fun with the Davis sisters and Scoggins (positively identified Oswald as the shooter) and Callaway, Guiniyard, Patterson and Russell (positively identified Oswald as the man they saw running away from the scene of the shooting with a revolver in his hand).
So, are we down from 15 witnesses to only 3 witnesses?
 
So, are we down from 15 witnesses to only 3 witnesses?

No, it's still 15 witnesses.

You have to line up all of their statements together. Some saw the shooting, some saw a few seconds after. They all contribute to the overall picture.

I'm sure you think Oswald running from the scene of Tippit's murder with a pistol in his hand (positively IDd by 4 people) was completely innocent, but nobody with half a brain thinks that.
 
No, it's still 15 witnesses.

You have to line up all of their statements together. Some saw the shooting, some saw a few seconds after. They all contribute to the overall picture.

I'm sure you think Oswald running from the scene of Tippit's murder with a pistol in his hand (positively IDd by 4 people) was completely innocent, but nobody with half a brain thinks that.
3 witnesses testifying they saw Oswald kill Tippit.

Correct?
 
What is it in the HSCA scientific acoustical evidence that you find wanting?

Be specific.

(And, I know that you are a member of the Mighty Church since it is a requirement for being accepted as an ”international skeptic” in the first place.)

It's already been beaten to death and once again, as the leader of your conspiracy revolution, it's up to you to persuade people that you are correct. You've failed with me anyway. I told you what you could do to help make your argument more persuasive, but you won't because you can't.

So here's what I want. I want a detailed account of what happened that is consistent with the evidence.

Be specific.

PS For someone who complains of ad him and putting people into boxes, you certainly do so rather quickly. Your standards are strangely different for your behavior and what you expect of others. Just as your standard of evidence is so different for yourself versus others.
 
It's already been beaten to death and once again, as the leader of your conspiracy revolution, it's up to you to persuade people that you are correct.
Hey, I know it is not possible to persuade any of you of anything that goes against the core believes in the Mighty Church of the Lone Nut.


You've failed with me anyway. I told you what you could do to help make your argument more persuasive, but you won't because you can't.

So here's what I want. I want a detailed account of what happened that is consistent with the evidence.

Be specific.
Again, I have not access to the real evidence since it has been in the hands of the culprits since day one.

The only thing one can do is point out the flaws in the ’official’ theory/mythology and show that they are the result from a cover up directed from the absolute top of US officialdom.

PS For someone who complains of ad him and putting people into boxes, you certainly do so rather quickly. Your standards are strangely different for your behavior and what you expect of others. Just as your standard of evidence is so different for yourself versus others.
I’ll stop when you do.
 
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