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Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

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More amusement from Desperation and Delusional Central. Looks like Petey is still living in his own alternate reality where that apology...promised to be imminent seven months ago...is still coming any day now. I got quite the laugh over his "well placed insiders"! I wonder if he gives them code names in his little world.

Petey is dumb as rocks not Amanda. I'd like to know what Amanda has said that qualifies as taunting of Italy? He should take notice that Raffaele LIVES in Italy and nothing has happened to him.
 
Petey is dumb as rocks not Amanda. I'd like to know what Amanda has said that qualifies as taunting of Italy? He should take notice that Raffaele LIVES in Italy and nothing has happened to him.

Who knows? These people live in their own little world...and that world is getting smaller and smaller all the time. There are so few who bother with it now as it's totally irrelevant. Before long, it'll go "poof". Can't happen too soon.
 
Petey is dumb as rocks not Amanda. I'd like to know what Amanda has said that qualifies as taunting of Italy? He should take notice that Raffaele LIVES in Italy and nothing has happened to him.

The guilters apparently have not noticed that Amanda was acquitted of continuing aggravated calunnia against the police and Mignini by the Boninsegna court, and the Italian authorities - that is, the prosecutor in that case - did not appeal that judgment of acquittal, making it final.

The ECHR has mentioned the Boninsegna judgment in its Communication to Italy, even including an excerpt from the Boninsegna motivation report in its summary of the history of the case. The attention of the ECHR to the Boninsegna MR suggests how the ECHR will judge the merits of the case.

Here is a translation of the ECHR's excerpt:

"Meanwhile, the applicant was the subject of another criminal trial for false accusation, in particular concerning the statements she had made on 13 March, 12 June and 13 June 2009 against the police officers who carried out her interrogations. By a judgment of 14 January 2016, the Florence Court {of Judge Boninsegna} acquitted the applicant.

In particular, the court considered that the applicant had been subjected to intense psychological pressure from the investigators, leading her to formulate the name of Mr. DL {Diya Lumumba} for the sole purpose of terminating a treatment contrary to the {legally guaranteed} rights of a person under investigation. The relevant passages of this judgment, as far as the present application is concerned, read as follows:

"The investigation activities (...) concerning the applicant {Knox, the accused in the case} are characterized by numerous procedural irregularities which led the Court of Cassation to consider [1 April 2008] that the statements collected were not usable. (...)

Due to the deficiencies of the [investigation] activities, the minutes are not reliable as to the starting time of the activities. Moreover, the minutes do not indicate the closing times. (...)

The totally inappropriate choice of interpreters was also irregular. These were agents of the Perugia Police Bureau. Thus they were placed in a situation of professional collaboration with the colleagues who were carrying out the investigations. This resulted in emotionally empathic behavior [with the applicant]. This was taking place in an extremely delicate context, not only for the investigations (the declarations relating to them having been considered {by the CSC} unusable thereafter) but also concerning the position [of the applicant] who was at that time under investigation.

This ambiguous quality of the person performing auxiliary duties for the police and, at the same time, belonging to the investigators' own team was accompanied by maternal attitudes and overwhelmingly strong emotion (in particular regarding the behavior not required and at least atypical of [two interpreters] and one of the police officers [some having taken familiar attitudes tending to create empathy with the applicant and the other having taken her hand in hand and hugging {embracing} (abbracciata) her while she was making accusations against Mr. DL)] (...).

The interpreters should have been uninvolved and neutral in relation to the ongoing criminal procedure with the obvious and basic aim of avoiding contaminations that affect the professional performance of the auxiliary {task of interpretation}. (...)

All these circumstances do not appear in the minutes (...). The only appropriate approach in this case was to inform the person under investigation of her rights of defense, declared inviolable in our Constitution. This was for the obvious reason that she was a person who was to be put in a position to defend her personal freedom in relation to the authority of the State, the latter having already attributed to [the applicant], by the investigators' bias, the quality of the person being a suspect. (...)

This situation is in contradiction with the applicant's immediate subsequent detention, although she had just been treated with a maternal attitude and kind affection. This course of events certainly created some embarrassment, especially for the person concerned, which should have been avoided (...) in order to safeguard the dignity [of the applicant] (...), as well as her personal freedom as a fundamental and inviolable right of the person, which constitutes an aspect ... of fundamental human rights. (...)

[In this context] the principle of the presumption of innocence was also ignored. (...) »"

Translated from the French ECHR original by Google translate with my help.
 
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This is embarrassing for you Vixen. The facts are overwhelming. It was a regular commercial flight. Flight 553 leaves Rome at 11:40AM and arrives in London Heathrow at 1:25 PM. https://www.google.com/search?q=Bri...droid-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Followed by Flight 49 leaving Hearthrow at 3:30 PM arriving at Seatac at 5:15 PM

https://www.google.com/search?q=Bri...droid-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

CBS News confirming that
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/now-free-amanda-knox-flies-back-to-us/

Now you can keep your head in your sand or you can do the adult mature act and admit you were mistaken.

I have no idea who paid for it. But there is no evidence it was paid for by ABC. That is just wild speculation.

What I want is for you to ACKNOWLEDGE you are wrong about the charter. One does NOT charter a 747 for maybe 6 people. One also doesn't charter a regularly scheduled flight.

The Rome to London one says 'scheduled' (as we'd expect). The other one LHR to Seattle doesn't say 'scheduled flight' as the other one does.

Are you able to explain that?

How come the plane was full of journalists, especially ABC News, if it wasn't booked en masse.

Anyway it doesn't really matter. However, I am willing to bet the family didn't pay for their tickets.
 
No, it was Donnino's testimony that tells us about her efforts to establish a rapport with Amanda. Pay attention.

LondonJohn articulated very well why there can be no other interpretation for Donnino bringing that up to Amanda except to try to coerce an 'alternate reality' that the police admittedly already thought they knew to be the truth.

I noticed you've not offered up an alternate explanation for her saying this to Amanda. What you did say (in case you forgot) was;



This kind of response from you is so incredibly predictable. Were you present at the interrogation (you weren't) and, if not (so this applies to you) how could you possibly have any idea whether it had an effect or not? You can't. Yet you make this claim because you MUST downplay an obvious ethical violation that clearly exposes the intent of the interrogators. This also implies you don't believe coercive interrogations (which this clearly was) can result in false confessions, or statement in this case.

Then you try to divert attention with a blatant lie. Amanda never claimed amnesia.


Yes, she did. See her court testimony. She was asked if she had ever had amnesia before. Whereupon she immediately forgot the question and asked for it to be repeated. She replied no.
 
It's very predictable: that the plane was not a charter will now be completely ignored as if proof was never presented. The claim will be repeated yet again just as the jacket and cap falsehood will be repeated.

Sorry? Rudy Guede did claim the intruder was wearing a jacket with a Napapirje logo and a white beanie with a red band. Police found a white beanie in Raff's appartment, and he recreated the look here, when he went to pick up his knife (note how he holds it in his left hand, as also reported by Rudy). He also recreates his yellow scarf look of 2 Nov 2007, in blue.
 

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The guilters apparently have not noticed that Amanda was acquitted of continuing aggravated calunnia against the police and Mignini by the Boninsegna court, and the Italian authorities - that is, the prosecutor in that case - did not appeal that judgment of acquittal, making it final.

The ECHR has mentioned the Boninsegna judgment in its Communication to Italy, even including an excerpt from the Boninsegna motivation report in its summary of the history of the case. The attention of the ECHR to the Boninsegna MR suggests how the ECHR will judge the merits of the case.

Here is a translation of the ECHR's excerpt:

"Meanwhile, the applicant was the subject of another criminal trial for false accusation, in particular concerning the statements she had made on 13 March, 12 June and 13 June 2009 against the police officers who carried out her interrogations. By a judgment of 14 January 2016, the Florence Court {of Judge Boninsegna} acquitted the applicant.

In particular, the court considered that the applicant had been subjected to intense psychological pressure from the investigators, leading her to formulate the name of Mr. DL {Diya Lumumba} for the sole purpose of terminating a treatment contrary to the {legally guaranteed} rights of a person under investigation. The relevant passages of this judgment, as far as the present application is concerned, read as follows:

"The investigation activities (...) concerning the applicant {Knox, the accused in the case} are characterized by numerous procedural irregularities which led the Court of Cassation to consider [1 April 2008] that the statements collected were not usable. (...)

Due to the deficiencies of the [investigation] activities, the minutes are not reliable as to the starting time of the activities. Moreover, the minutes do not indicate the closing times. (...)

The totally inappropriate choice of interpreters was also irregular. These were agents of the Perugia Police Bureau. Thus they were placed in a situation of professional collaboration with the colleagues who were carrying out the investigations. This resulted in emotionally empathic behavior [with the applicant]. This was taking place in an extremely delicate context, not only for the investigations (the declarations relating to them having been considered {by the CSC} unusable thereafter) but also concerning the position [of the applicant] who was at that time under investigation.

This ambiguous quality of the person performing auxiliary duties for the police and, at the same time, belonging to the investigators' own team was accompanied by maternal attitudes and overwhelmingly strong emotion (in particular regarding the behavior not required and at least atypical of [two interpreters] and one of the police officers [some having taken familiar attitudes tending to create empathy with the applicant and the other having taken her hand in hand and hugging {embracing} (abbracciata) her while she was making accusations against Mr. DL)] (...).

The interpreters should have been uninvolved and neutral in relation to the ongoing criminal procedure with the obvious and basic aim of avoiding contaminations that affect the professional performance of the auxiliary {task of interpretation}. (...)

All these circumstances do not appear in the minutes (...). The only appropriate approach in this case was to inform the person under investigation of her rights of defense, declared inviolable in our Constitution. This was for the obvious reason that she was a person who was to be put in a position to defend her personal freedom in relation to the authority of the State, the latter having already attributed to [the applicant], by the investigators' bias, the quality of the person being a suspect. (...)

This situation is in contradiction with the applicant's immediate subsequent detention, although she had just been treated with a maternal attitude and kind affection. This course of events certainly created some embarrassment, especially for the person concerned, which should have been avoided (...) in order to safeguard the dignity [of the applicant] (...), as well as her personal freedom as a fundamental and inviolable right of the person, which constitutes an aspect ... of fundamental human rights. (...)

[In this context] the principle of the presumption of innocence was also ignored. (...) »"

Translated from the French ECHR original by Google translate with my help.


Torture by kindness: being 'maternal' , holding her hand and hugging her.

These Italians.
 
Torture by kindness: being 'maternal' , holding her hand and hugging her.

These Italians.

Amusing how you were able to cherry pick 10 words out of a ~1,000 word post to say something retarded.

The investigators doing the interrogation and the interpreter are different people, Vizzie. The investigators were smacking her in the head, trying to intimidate her, while the interpreter was being empathic and friendly. This is bad, bad, bad and extremely manipulative as it paints the interpreter as Knox's only ally in a terrible situation, making it more likely to elicit a false confession. This is like, the textbook way to elicit a false confession, in fact.

I realize there is no way you are going to be able to comprehend the intricacies of this, so the only point in my writing this is for my own amusement, so there you go. The sad thing is you have a background in psychology and I'm having to explain this to you for the "umpteenth" time.
 
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Sorry? Rudy Guede did claim the intruder was wearing a jacket with a Napapirje logo and a white beanie with a red band. Police found a white beanie in Raff's appartment, and he recreated the look here, when he went to pick up his knife (note how he holds it in his left hand, as also reported by Rudy). He also recreates his yellow scarf look of 2 Nov 2007, in blue.

So he "recreated" his look of the night of the pagan sex orgy gang bang murder by wearing a beanie and a scarf? Both of entirely different colors?

Man, I best not be wearing any scarves next winter. Don't want any retards to think I was involved in a pagan sex orgy murder gang bang, since that connection is an obvious piece of evidence linking Raf to the crime. Thanks for the warning.
 
The guilters apparently have not noticed that Amanda was acquitted of continuing aggravated calunnia against the police and Mignini by the Boninsegna court, and the Italian authorities - that is, the prosecutor in that case - did not appeal that judgment of acquittal, making it final.

The ECHR has mentioned the Boninsegna judgment in its Communication to Italy, even including an excerpt from the Boninsegna motivation report in its summary of the history of the case. The attention of the ECHR to the Boninsegna MR suggests how the ECHR will judge the merits of the case.

Here is a translation of the ECHR's excerpt:

"Meanwhile, the applicant was the subject of another criminal trial for false accusation, in particular concerning the statements she had made on 13 March, 12 June and 13 June 2009 against the police officers who carried out her interrogations. {1} By a judgment of 14 January 2016, the Florence Court {of Judge Boninsegna} acquitted the applicant.
In particular, {2} the court considered that the applicant had been subjected to intense psychological pressure from the investigators, leading her to formulate the name of Mr. DL {Diya Lumumba} for the sole purpose of terminating a treatment contrary to the {legally guaranteed} rights of a person under investigation. The relevant passages of this judgment, as far as the present application is concerned, read as follows:

"{3} The investigation activities (...) concerning the applicant {Knox, the accused in the case} are characterized by numerous procedural irregularities which led the Court of Cassation to consider [1 April 2008] that the statements collected were not usable. (...)

{4} Due to the deficiencies of the [investigation] activities, the minutes are not reliable as to the starting time of the activities. Moreover, the minutes do not indicate the closing times. (...)

{5} The totally inappropriate choice of interpreters was also irregular. These were agents of the Perugia Police Bureau. Thus they were placed in a situation of professional collaboration with the colleagues who were carrying out the investigations. This resulted in emotionally empathic behavior [with the applicant]. This was taking place in an extremely delicate context, not only for the investigations (the declarations relating to them having been considered {by the CSC} unusable thereafter) but also concerning the position [of the applicant] who was at that time under investigation.

{6} This ambiguous quality of the person performing auxiliary duties for the police and, at the same time, belonging to the investigators' own team was accompanied by maternal attitudes and overwhelmingly strong emotion (in particular regarding the behavior not required and at least atypical of [two interpreters] and one of the police officers [some having taken familiar attitudes tending to create empathy with the applicant and the other having taken her hand in hand and hugging {embracing} (abbracciata) her while she was making accusations against Mr. DL)] (...).

{7} The interpreters should have been uninvolved and neutral in relation to the ongoing criminal procedure with the obvious and basic aim of avoiding contaminations that affect the professional performance of the auxiliary {task of interpretation}. (...)

{8} All these circumstances do not appear in the minutes (...). {9} The only appropriate approach in this case was to inform the person under investigation of her rights of defense, declared inviolable in our Constitution. This was for the obvious reason that she was a person who was to be put in a position to defend her personal freedom in relation to the authority of the State, the latter having already attributed to [the applicant], by the investigators' bias, the quality of the person being a suspect. (...)

{9} This situation is in contradiction with the applicant's immediate subsequent detention, although she had just been treated with a maternal attitude and kind affection. This course of events certainly created some embarrassment, especially for the person concerned, which should have been avoided (...) in order to safeguard the dignity [of the applicant] (...), as well as her personal freedom as a fundamental and inviolable right of the person, which constitutes an aspect ... of fundamental human rights. (...)

[In this context]{10} the principle of the presumption of innocence was also ignored. (...) »"

Translated from the French ECHR original by Google translate with my help.

To help understand what the ECHR may understand relating to its job - which relevant to Knox v. Italy is to judge whether or not there have been any violation(s) of Knox's rights under the European Convention of Human Rights, to declare in its judgment any such violation(s), and to indicate in its judgment what it considers necessary individual and general measures to redress any such violation(s), which may include suggestions for the reforms in the practice or laws of a respondent state found in violation.

Here's an annotated list of some of the implications of the excerpt for the ECHR case Knox v. Italy.

1. The Boninsegna court found Knox's allegations, in light of the testimony of the witnesses, to have credibility: "the chosen investigative practices induced in the defendant the conviction, or the reasonable doubt, that she was being subjected to a planned, oppressive and unfair investigative action - this also takes into account Knox’s definitive acquittal in the main criminal trial because she did not commit the crime of murder - in light of the overall way in which her interrogation was performed.

There is, therefore, an absence of the evidence to place beyond a reasonable doubt that the events did not indeed occur as the girl related and that she was fully aware of the non-involvement of the Prosecutor in the way the investigations concerning her were performed.

Pursuant to article 530 of the Italian Code of Criminal Procedure,
acquits Knox Amanda Marie for the charge under letter a), because the facts do not exist, and for the charge under letter b), because the facts do not exist and because the act does not constitute an offense, as regards the accusations addressed to Dr. Giuliano Mignini."

2. Intense psychological pressure, especially when accompanied by the denial of defense rights such as warnings of the right to remain silent and the right to have a lawyer present, and the provision of an uninvolved, neutral interpreter, in an interrogation by investigators to obtain a statement to incriminate the person questioned or another person is highly likely to be considered a violation of Convention Article 3 by the ECHR, not as torture, but as inhuman or degrading treatment.

3. The statements made by Knox during the interrogations of Knox on Nov. 5/6 by the police and Mignini had already been declared unusable against her by the Gemelli CSC panel. The use of her statements against her for the charge of calunnia against Lumumba because of her "defensive" statement after the interrogation, as allowed by that CSC panel, may be considered arbitrary and a violation of the Convention by the ECHR, because she was still denied a lawyer, required under Italian law and ECHR case-law, at the relevant time. Mignini apparently did not follow Italian law in denying lawyers for Knox and Sollecito in the period Nov. 5 to Nov. 8.

4. The police and prosecutor are obligated under Italian law to record, using audio or audiovisual methods, questioning of a detained person. Even if the audio or audiovisual equipment were unavailable, detailed minutes are required by Italian law, including the start and finish times, who was present, and of course, the questions and answers, when a suspect is questioned. The presence of a defense lawyer for the suspect is also required, except under specified circumstances, and must be validated in writing and approved by a magistrate.

5. An interpreter is required at all stages of a criminal proceeding, including questioning of a suspect, when the suspect does not fully understand the language used in the questioning, according to the Convention. The interpreter must be neutral and fair.

6. The measures adopted by the police and their interpreter of suggesting amnesia and also of embracing and/or touching Knox would be likely to constitute violations of the Convention under Article 8. While not all violations of Article 8 against a suspect imply violations of Article 6 (unfair trial), it is likely these do, because of the intent to induce the person questioned to make a statement against herself or another person.

7. A clear statement by Boninsegna of the issues indicating a violation of Convention regarding the interpreters, when the statements obtained in the questioning are used against the person questioned or another person.

8. Again, Boninsegna indicates (indirectly) the violation of Italian law in the way the activities of the questioning of Nov. 5/6 were not recorded. This type of violation of domestic law which results in use of statements obtained from the questioning to convict someone is likely to be considered a violation of the Convention.

9. The Boninsegna MR language is likely to give the ECHR exactly the type of information it seeks to find a violation of Convention Article 6 with Article 3, because in its case-law, violations of the dignity of a person under the control of the authorities is a violation of Article 3 (inhuman or degrading treatment).

10. This language may induce the ECHR to find a violation of the presumption of innocence, whether or not Knox listed that specific allegation in her application. The ECHR will sometimes, as the master of the facts and the law under the Convention, specify violations of the Convention based upon the facts, even when not specifically requested by the applicant.
 
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Sorry? Rudy Guede did claim the intruder was wearing a jacket with a Napapirje logo and a white beanie with a red band. Police found a white beanie in Raff's appartment, and he recreated the look here, when he went to pick up his knife (note how he holds it in his left hand, as also reported by Rudy). He also recreates his yellow scarf look of 2 Nov 2007, in blue.
So he "recreated" his look of the night of the pagan sex orgy gang bang murder by wearing a beanie and a scarf? Both of entirely different colors?

Man, I best not be wearing any scarves next winter. Don't want any retards to think I was involved in a pagan sex orgy murder gang bang, since that connection is an obvious piece of evidence linking Raf to the crime. Thanks for the warning.
It's troubling N.E.W. that you've made all those posts and still do not get it. The key is a correct reading of the three words, "Rudy Guede did claim....."

You see, Rudy is to be believed. There is no reason not to believe him. When he says that the victim and he had had consensual sex, why would you not believe him? When he says that the victim had let him in, why would you not believe him? When he says that Knox had later arrived at the cottage, why would you not believe him?

When he said that an argument between the two flatmates had broken out about rent money, why would you not believe him? When he said that he'd been in another room when the attack had happened, why would you not believe him? When he said that he'd desperately tried to save the victim with towels from the bathroom, why would you not believe him?

It's troubling N.E.W. that you will not take Rudy Guede at his word. Poor poor Rudy.

When he said that he'd then frantically called out for help and had called the 112 emergency number to get immediate medical attention for the victim, why would you not believe him? Oooops, he has never said that that's what he did.

Instead he fled the country.

Final question, when he was in Germany and was talking to a friend via Skype back in Perugia with the cops listening in, when he said that AK had not been involved, why would you not believe him?
 
Yes, she did. See her court testimony. She was asked if she had ever had amnesia before. Whereupon she immediately forgot the question and asked for it to be repeated. She replied no.

Huh?

I said Amanda never claimed to have amnesia. You replied "Yes, she did."

Your evidence of this is....

"She was asked if she had ever had amnesia before. Whereupon she immediately forgot the question and asked for it to be repeated. She replied no."

So explain to me again, when did she claim to have amnesia?


Note: Asking for a question to be repeated is NOT evidence of amnesia. Amnesia does not impact someone's ability to recall immediate information.

And obviously the "...Whereupon she immediately forgot the question" is wholly your own biased spin on things. Witnesses frequently request questions to be repeated to ensure they fully understood what was being asked. Further, in Amanda's case there was an issue of language barriers... the trials were held in Italian and she was still learning the language. You're desperation really reveals itself in this case. Care to try again?
 
Note: Asking for a question to be repeated is NOT evidence of amnesia. Amnesia does not impact someone's ability to recall immediate information.

And obviously the "...Whereupon she immediately forgot the question" is wholly your own biased spin on things.

It's amazing how much guilters are guided by dietrology. Machiavelli here in these threads did it superbly. Vixen not so much. But she tries.

As explained to Douglas Preston when he was researching for his book on "The Monster of Florence", and completely flummoxed as to why/how some Italians spin the wildest tales from a relatively straightforward set of facts......

.... dietrology is the belief that nothing is really as it seems, that there is a subterranean explanation involving unseen forces by which the dietrologist can claim superiority over an outsider who:

  • Can't see it - needs to be educated by the dietrologist
  • Wilfully won't see it - needs to be scolded by the dietrologist
  • Purposely undermines it because that outsider is really part of the undergirding conspiracy - needs to be actively opposed and exposed by the dietrolgist
Vixen is just not very good at it. Machiavelli, on the other hand, was a renaissance master at it. A sight to behold.
 
The Rome to London one says 'scheduled' (as we'd expect). The other one LHR to Seattle doesn't say 'scheduled flight' as the other one does.

Are you able to explain that?

How come the plane was full of journalists, especially ABC News, if it wasn't booked en masse.

Anyway it doesn't really matter. However, I am willing to bet the family didn't pay for their tickets.

Let me get this straight:

1. Marriott chartered a plane from London to Seattle, but not from Rome to Seattle? Are you able to explain that?

2. Marriott chartered a 747 which carries over 500 people instead of a smaller, less expensive jet. Are you able to explain that?

3. The cost of chartering a 747 is £16 000 /$21,607 K per hour(privatefly.com). Flying time between London and Seattle is about 10 hours. Total cost of flight: £160K / $210,607 K.

4. Knox had three business class seats, the rest (including family) sat in coach. If they'd chartered a flight, everyone in her party would have been sitting in business. Are you able to explain that?

5. The plane had journalists from more than ABC News. Are you able to explain that?

6. Not one single source, other than Maresca's unsubstantiated claim, mentions the plane was chartered. Are you able to explain that?

7. You keep embarrassing yourself with this nonsense. Are you able to explain that?

What on earth is the importance of whether or not the family paid for their tickets? With all the flying back and forth from Seattle to Perugia, they could have had lots of airline miles or they could have been donated by supporters. It doesn't really matter. What it is is just another opportunity for you to say something negative.
 
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It's very predictable: that the plane was not a charter will now be completely ignored as if proof was never presented. The claim will be repeated yet again just as the jacket and cap falsehood will be repeated.

Sorry? Rudy Guede did claim the intruder was wearing a jacket with a Napapirje logo and a white beanie with a red band. Police found a white beanie in Raff's appartment, and he recreated the look here, when he went to pick up his knife (note how he holds it in his left hand, as also reported by Rudy). He also recreates his yellow scarf look of 2 Nov 2007, in blue.

Nice try but no cigar. The (long) discussion regarding the jacket and cap has never been whether Guede claimed to have seen them, but your insistence that it was an "accurate description of Sollecito". Despite many requests to provide evidence that Sollecito ever had either a Naparajini jacket or a cap with a red stripe/band, you failed to do so...because none exists. These were never brought up in court which, if Sollecito had owned them, would have been strong proof that Guede had seen him at the cottage that night. Can you hazard a guess as to why it was never presented in court? Think real hard.

Yes, Sollecito had a white cap, but it had no red stripe/band which Guede was very clear it had.

You think that a photo of RS holding something in his left hand is proof he is left-handed but ignore a video of him writing with his right hand. Can you explain that logic? Can you explain why Guede's description of the man being left-handed was never brought up in court if Sollecito were left-handed? Again, like the jacket and cap it would have been more evidence of Guede's story. Can you explain why it wasn't brought up in court? Think about it.

Men wearing winter neck scarves in Italy is common. Here's a photo of Mignini wearing a red scarf.
https://tg24.sky.it/tag/tg24/giuliano_mignini_1.html

Here's one of Patrick Lumumba wearing a scarf:
https://www.bustle.com/articles/186...-shows-the-extent-of-her-legal-roller-coaster

Oh, no! Francesco Maresca is wearing a scarf in this photo!
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...or-final-ruling-may-come-friday/#.WvHbQmzn82w

Honestly, Vix. Stop embarrassing yourself with this nonsense.
 
The Rome to London one says 'scheduled' (as we'd expect). The other one LHR to Seattle doesn't say 'scheduled flight' as the other one does.

Are you able to explain that?

How come the plane was full of journalists, especially ABC News, if it wasn't booked en masse.

Anyway it doesn't really matter. However, I am willing to bet the family didn't pay for their tickets.

This is just sad Vixen. It demonstrates a ridiculous type of thinking.

Those ARE scheduled flights. The news report said a connecting flight out of London that lands in Seattle at 5:15. Want to know what regularly scheduled flight lands in Seattle every day at 5:15? That would be British Airways 747 flight 49. I provided a link to raw Associated Press footage of the British Airways 747 carrying Amanda Knox landing at SeaTac.


There were many journalists on the flight. That 747-400 can accommodate 416 passengers in a typical three-class layout, 524 passengers in a typical two-class layout. It could be 90 percent full and still have 50 empty seats. So I guess it could still be easy to book last minute flights.

What is sad about this absurdity of yours is that it is consistently illogical. If you can't review the evidence I provided that blows your claim out of the water and say I that you, Vixen were 100 percent in error, then no wonder you think Knox was involved.

This was simple Vixen. The raw Associated Press footage titled 'Amanda Knox Plane arrives in Seattle' showing a British Airways 747' landing in Seattle that was published on YouTube the day Amanda returned should have been more than enough for you to come to the conclusion it was not a charter. But i went way farther. I provided Google links to the flight schedules of British Airways flight leaving both Rome and Seattle and video footage of Amanda in Rome with the signage for the flight to London and a news report.

And yet you still don't really acknowledge that you were wrong. You just pivot to a wild speculation.

Again, I ask that you demonstrate some grace and maturity and say that you Vixen was wrong about the flight and that you will never ever return to this absurdity.
 
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This is just sad Vixen. It demonstrates a ridiculous type of thinking.

Those ARE scheduled flights. The news report said a connecting flight out of London that lands in Seattle at 5:15. Want to know what regularly scheduled flight lands in Seattle every day at 5:15? That would be British Airways 747 flight 49. I provided a link to raw Associated Press footage of the British Airways 747 carrying Amanda Knox landing at SeaTac.


There were many journalists on the flight. That 747-400 can accommodate 416 passengers in a typical three-class layout, 524 passengers in a typical two-class layout. It could be 90 percent full and still have 50 empty seats. So I guess it could still be easy to book last minute flights.

What is sad about this absurdity of yours is that it is consistently illogical. If you can't review the evidence I provided that blows your claim out of the water and say I that you, Vixen were 100 percent in error, then no wonder you think Knox was involved.

This was simple Vixen. The raw Associated Press footage titled 'Amanda Knox Plane arrives in Seattle' showing a British Airways 747' landing in Seattle that was published on YouTube the day Amanda returned should have been more than enough for you to come to the conclusion it was not a charter. But i went way farther. I provided Google links to the flight schedules of British Airways flight leaving both Rome and Seattle and video footage of Amanda in Rome with the signage for the flight to London and a news report.

And yet you still don't really acknowledge that you were wrong. You just pivot to a wild speculation.

Again, I ask that you demonstrate some grace and maturity and say that you Vixen was wrong about the flight and that you will never ever return to this absurdity.

The commenter on TJMK doubled down there with this insane claim by providing 3 pictures of Marriott at the airport. One was the photo of Marriott on the tarmac (which Vixen posted here) and two of Marriott at the news conference where Amanda thanked everyone. Somehow, this is evidence that Marriott chartered the flight. With evidence of this caliber, I could "prove" that the Pope murdered Kercher. After all, he was in Italy at the time.
 
Pictured: PIP hangout spot on DM's private 747. You need at least 1000 posts on ISF to enter.

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