Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

[LondonJohn]

The Star and the Express?

As for the school teacher who sent her pupil lover a text, 'who can I be a slut with' (or similar), she clearly didn't see 'slut' as a derogatory term.

A 'slag' would be.

Please, please, just stop.

(And are you suggesting that The Star and The Express somehow don't fall into the definition of "British tabloids" - as requested by YOU...?)

(Oh, and you obviously also don't understand the clear "dirty" role-play element to the text sent by the teacher. She wanted to sound immoral and naughty. Don't you GET that??)

Anyhow, as I said: please just stop with this crap. You're bang wrong, and demonstrably wrong. Nothing new under the Sun.........

 

[toto]

The Star and the Express?

As for the school teacher who sent her pupil lover a text, 'who can I be a slut with' (or similar), she clearly didn't see 'slut' as a derogatory term.

A 'slag' would be.

As for Girls Aloud, they are clearly adopting an Americanism. 'Slutty' would be the correct term describe their slovenly clothing, but it wouldn't refer to their sleeping around.

The Star and Express are British Tabloids. You asked for a cite from them!

 

[Stacyhs]

Rubbish, absolute rubbish.

Show me a British tabloid that calls a woman a 'slut'.

You can't.

The Star and the Express?

As for the school teacher who sent her pupil lover a text, 'who can I be a slut with' (or similar), she clearly didn't see 'slut' as a derogatory term.

A 'slag' would be.

As for Girls Aloud, they are clearly adopting an Americanism. 'Slutty' would be the correct term describe their slovenly clothing, but it wouldn't refer to their sleeping around.

You don't consider the Star and the Express "British tabloids"?

How about more reputable British media?

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...s-shaming-twitter-viral-indiana-a8324926.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/38172868/i-m-called-a-slut-for-being-openly-hiv

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...lt-strongly-there-was-no-such-thing-as-a-slut

That took all of 2 minutes.
You should be a professional hole digger. You're very good at it.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we keep coming back. Just when you think it can't get any more ridiculous, it does.

 

[Vixen]

The Star and Express are British Tabloids. You asked for a cite from them!

The papers are not calling anyone a slut. In one, a school teacher names herself as one, as a form of 'dirty talk' between two lovers, so not derogatory.

Girls Aloud are moaning that some critics have criticised their scanty clothing on stage. In that context, the word 'sluttish' is accurate, and is used in the correct sense in that it refers to their slovenly appearance, and not their sex life.

So London John has not fulfilled his promise of showing British newspapers calling loose women sluts, as in someone who gives out sexual favours indiscriminately.

 

[toto]

You don't consider the Star and the Express "British tabloids"?

How about more reputable British media?

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...s-shaming-twitter-viral-indiana-a8324926.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/38172868/i-m-called-a-slut-for-being-openly-hiv

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...lt-strongly-there-was-no-such-thing-as-a-slut

That took all of 2 minutes.
You should be a professional hole digger. You're very good at it.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we keep coming back. Just when you think it can't get any more ridiculous, it does.

It is odd to question the validity of the term "tabloids" to e.g. The Express as traditionally they were the popular papers. (As opposed to the more upmarket broadsheets which used to include The Guardian and Times but now lamentably just the Daily Telegraph). In this context, Vixen's incredulity makes no sense.
Though to add , I think all papers were broadsheets originally!

 

[Vixen]

You don't consider the Star and the Express "British tabloids"?

How about more reputable British media?

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...s-shaming-twitter-viral-indiana-a8324926.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/38172868/i-m-called-a-slut-for-being-openly-hiv

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...lt-strongly-there-was-no-such-thing-as-a-slut

That took all of 2 minutes.
You should be a professional hole digger. You're very good at it.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we keep coming back. Just when you think it can't get any more ridiculous, it does.

The Independent uses it in the correct sense of referring to appearance, 'My bf dumped me because of my dress'. So not referring to her sex life at all, but her slovenly clothing (as in the bf's eyes).

The second appears to be gay slang rather than any reference to female promiscuity.

The third is quoting an American, so of course she has changed the meaning of this perfectly good and respectable English word.

As research for her new American TV drama, Killing Eve, Waller-Bridge

 

[LondonJohn]

The papers are not calling anyone a slut. In one, a school teacher names herself as one as a form of 'dirty talk between two lovers, so not derogatory.

Girls Aloud are moaning that some critics have criticised their scanty clothing on stage. In that context, the word 'sluttish' is accurate, and is used in the correct sense in that it refers to their slovenly appearance, and not their sex life.

So London John has not fulfilled his promise of showing British newspapers calling loose women sluts, as in someone who gives out sexual favours indiscriminately.

PLEASE. STOP. WITH. THIS. NONSENSE.

But while you're doing that, perhaps you'd like to pass comment on the article about former British Defence Secretary Michael Fallon. In that article, it was reported that he'd called female journalist Bryony Gordon a "slut" after he'd been drinking. And the article explicitly reports a source close to Fallon saying he'd "apologised after using a ‘wrong’ term towards the woman in connection with her private life (my bolding). But they denied he called her a ‘slut’". And do you know why Fallon was apparently so keen to keep denying he'd used the word "slut", Vixen? Because it's a pretty inflammatory, abrasive, offensive term which implies that the woman in question has loose sexual morals, Vixen.


You are wrong. End of story.

 

[toto]

The papers are not calling anyone a slut. In one, a school teacher names herself as one as a form of 'dirty talk between two lovers, so not derogatory.

Girls Aloud are moaning that some critics have criticised their scanty clothing on stage. In that context, the word 'sluttish' is accurate, and is used in the correct sense in that it refers to their slovenly appearance, and not their sex life.

So London John has not fulfilled his promise of showing British newspapers calling loose women sluts, as in someone who gives out sexual favours indiscriminately.

But do papers make a habit of calling people slags? I ask this without googling first!

 

[LondonJohn]

The Independent uses it in the correct sense of referring to appearance, 'My bf dumped me because of my dress'. So not referring to her sex life at all, but her slovenly clothing (as in the bf's eyes).

The second appears to be gay slang rather than any reference to female promiscuity.

The third is quoting an American, so of course she has changed the meaning of this perfectly good and respectable English word.

Pathetic. You're wrong.

 

[LondonJohn]

But do papers make a habit of calling people slags? I ask this without googling first!

Hehe. This twisting and contorting of the "argument" by Vixen is verging on the surreal now, don't you think? So very bizarre, and rather sad.

 

[Vixen]

It is odd to question the validity of the term "tabloids" to e.g. The Express as traditionally they were the popular papers. (As opposed to the more upmarket broadsheets which used to include The Guardian and Times but now lamentably just the Daily Telegraph). In this context, Vixen's incredulity makes no sense.
Though to add , I think all papers were broadsheets originally!

Pretty much so. I don't know about the DAILY MIRROR, but my parents used to order the DAILY EXPRESS* and the MIRROR** and I remember the Express being a broadsheet.

*For Rupert the Bear and the Grangers

**For Andy Capp and the Perishers

 

[Stacyhs]

The papers are not calling anyone a slut. In one, a school teacher names herself as one as a form of 'dirty talk between two lovers, so not derogatory.

Girls Aloud are moaning that some critics have criticised their scanty clothing on stage. In that context, the word 'sluttish' is accurate, and is used in the correct sense in that it refers to their slovenly appearance, and not their sex life.

So London John has not fulfilled his promise of showing British newspapers calling loose women sluts, as in someone who gives out sexual favours indiscriminately.

Oh, good lord. What newspaper or even tabloid would CALL a woman a slut...or even a slag? None unless they want to get sued. You're trying to dance around the fact that the subject is your claim that "slut" is not a term used for a "loose woman" in the UK. Incontrovertible evidence has been given to you that it is, yet in your never-ending inability to ever admit error, you just keep on digging. It's almost as good as watching Trump and his team trying to explain away the Stormy Daniels fiasco. The more they open their mouths, the deeper the hole gets.

 

[Vixen]

PLEASE. STOP. WITH. THIS. NONSENSE.

But while you're doing that, perhaps you'd like to pass comment on the article about former British Defence Secretary Michael Fallon. In that article, it was reported that he'd called female journalist Bryony Gordon a "slut" after he'd been drinking. And the article explicitly reports a source close to Fallon saying he'd "apologised after using a ‘wrong’ term towards the woman in connection with her private life (my bolding). But they denied he called her a ‘slut’". And do you know why Fallon was apparently so keen to keep denying he'd used the word "slut", Vixen? Because it's a pretty inflammatory, abrasive, offensive term which implies that the woman in question has loose sexual morals, Vixen.


You are wrong. End of story.

He was drunk and he was coming on to her.

If he wanted to insult her, he would have called her a 'slag'.

 

[Vixen]

Oh, good lord. What newspaper or even tabloid would CALL a woman a slut...or even a slag? None unless they want to get sued. You're trying to dance around the fact that the subject is your claim that "slut" is not a term used for a "loose woman" in the UK. Incontrovertible evidence has been given to you that it is, yet in your never-ending inability to ever admit error, you just keep on digging. It's almost as good as watching Trump and his team trying to explain away the Stormy Daniels fiasco. The more they open their mouths, the deeper the hole gets.

The only link you provided of someone using the word, 'slut' as someone who sleeps around was of an American.

If someone called me a 'slut' I would be amused.

Call me a 'slag' and that would be fighting talk.

 

[toto]

The Independent uses it in the correct sense of referring to appearance, 'My bf dumped me because of my dress'. So not referring to her sex life at all, but her slovenly clothing (as in the bf's eyes).

The second appears to be gay slang rather than any reference to female promiscuity.

The third is quoting an American, so of course she has changed the meaning of this perfectly good and respectable English word.

But I have shown that "slut" has the meaning under discussion going back to 1450! By the way the definition of "slut" as meaning " a woman of dirty, slovenly, or untidy habits or appearance, a foul slattern" may be a perfectly good and respectable definition, but so is the second, now more common definition. Do you think Dickens was influenced by the Americans when he wrote in Nicholas Nickleby : "Never let anybody who is a friend of mine speak to her; a slut, a hussy."?

 

[bagels]

My face when 10 years after slicing open a girls throat people are discussing who's a slut

 

[LondonJohn]

It is odd to question the validity of the term "tabloids" to e.g. The Express as traditionally they were the popular papers. (As opposed to the more upmarket broadsheets which used to include The Guardian and Times but now lamentably just the Daily Telegraph). In this context, Vixen's incredulity makes no sense.
Though to add , I think all papers were broadsheets originally!

As a small aside, the term "tabloid" did not actually originally refer in any way to the page size of the newspaper (contrary to the near-universal misconception). The origin of the word "tabloid" is in fact the pharmaceutical industry - in the late 19th Century, a pharma company introduced a new type of easy-to-swallow tablet medication that they termed "tabloid". And at around the same time, a new London newspaper decided to try to reach a wider market by writing its stories in a less complex, easier-to-digest form, which the editor advertised by comparing his paper's style to the easy-to-swallow tabloids that were by then well-known.

It was only subsequently that the types of newspaper which did not write in obtuse long-winded styles - and instead wrote in a "tabloid" style began more and more to be printed on smaller page sizes that their "non-tabloid" competitors such as The Times and The Telegraph. And thus it came to be that the term "tabloid" became as much a description of the page size as of the style of writing.

As you were.....

 

[toto]

The only link you provided of someone using the word, 'slut' as someone who sleeps around was of an American.

If someone called me a 'slut' I would be amused.

Call me a 'slag' and that would be fighting talk.

I think "slag" sounds a bit worse, which is why my dictionary calls it a derogatory word (unlike the perfectly respectable word "slut"). But the point was originally that "Slut" was of American origin and I have proved this is not the case.

 

[toto]

As a small aside, the term "tabloid" did not actually originally refer in any way to the page size of the newspaper (contrary to the near-universal misconception). The origin of the word "tabloid" is in fact the pharmaceutical industry - in the late 19th Century, a pharma company introduced a new type of easy-to-swallow tablet medication that they termed "tabloid". And at around the same time, a new London newspaper decided to try to reach a wider market by writing its stories in a less complex, easier-to-digest form, which the editor advertised by comparing his paper's style to the easy-to-swallow tabloids that were by then well-known.

It was only subsequently that the types of newspaper which did not write in obtuse long-winded styles - and instead wrote in a "tabloid" style began more and more to be printed on smaller page sizes that their "non-tabloid" competitors such as The Times and The Telegraph. And thus it came to be that the term "tabloid" became as much a description of the page size as of the style of writing.

As you were.....

Interesting . Smiley face

 

[LondonJohn]

The only link you provided of someone using the word, 'slut' as someone who sleeps around was of an American.

If someone called me a 'slut' I would be amused.

Call me a 'slag' and that would be fighting talk.

Vixen, I GUARANTEE that if you went to (say) any provincial shopping centre anywhere in the UK this Saturday and asked 1,000 people for what they thought the term "slut" meant, well over 3/4 (and that's deliberately a highly conservative estimate) of them, of all ages and demographic/socio-economic strata, would tell you it directly implies loose sexual morals - someone who has lots of meaningless casual sexual encounters. I guarantee it.

You're wrong. Please stop.