Brexit: Now What? Part IV

[Amazer]

Exactly. The EU is incredibly xenophobic. They allow free movement between member countries (overwhelmingly white and either Christian or non-religious) but impose strict restrictions on immigration from other countries that are not in the EU - and, of course, most of those other countries would never be allowed to join the EU, even if they wanted to.

Well, I'll be waiting to see how the UK is going to implement a fairer, less discriminatory system for immigration that is not focused on absolute numbers for permitted immigrants and not focused on bringing down the number of immigrants.

Hope you understand that I will not be holding my breath.

 

[Pixel42]

At the moment the people of Britain can move freely throughout the EU, and vice versa. After Brexit those freedoms will no longer exist. Anyone who thinks restricting freedom of movement is xenophobic would be working to extend EU borders to include more countries, not voting to remove one and thereby reintroduce restricted movement within it.

 

[Information Analyst]

Because democratically to ignore the will of seventeen and a half million people would destroy faith in the democratic system for generations, and not only that, faith in the mainstream parties. It would open up a can of worms.

As opposed to ignoring the "will" of the other 16 + 13 million?

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

but impose strict restrictions on immigration from other countries that are not in the EU

The EU does that, does it?

 

[fagin]

Exactly. The EU is incredibly xenophobic. They allow free movement between member countries (overwhelmingly white and either Christian or non-religious) but impose strict restrictions on immigration from other countries that are not in the EU - and, of course, most of those other countries would never be allowed to join the EU, even if they wanted to.

You mean countries outside Europe?

 

[Craig B]

... I prefer the likes of the BNP to be in the wilderness personally. Preferably bankrupt and unable to do any damage at all. But to turn around and try to wreck what the people have voted for, would be authoritarian, dangerous and anti democratic and could be a gateway to evil.

I don't want the BNP or anyone like them to get so much as one MP, but were Brexit to be abandoned, anything is possible.

Or to put it another way:

Personally I'm not inclined to violent acts, Mr Bond, let alone to torture, but I fear that your lack of cooperation will open to door to the intervention of Oddjob, who is waiting outside, and who regrettably takes a very different view of these matters. His involvement would be very dangerous from your point of view, and I'm sure you don't want it any more than I do.

 

[Darat]

Exactly. The EU is incredibly xenophobic. They allow free movement between member countries (overwhelmingly white and either Christian or non-religious) but impose strict restrictions on immigration from other countries that are not in the EU - and, of course, most of those other countries would never be allowed to join the EU, even if they wanted to.

Nope, the UK could have what ever immigration policy it likes for non-EU citizens.

 

[imodium]

Nope, the UK could have what ever immigration policy it likes for non-EU citizens.

i can see ukip supporters loving an influx of indians

 

[jimbob]

i can see ukip supporters loving an influx of indians

On the plus side - the news and response about the utterly shameful treatment of the Windrush Generation is giving me some hope that politicians are seeing that xenophobia can lose votes as well as win them.

 

[ceptimus]

Nope, the UK could have what ever immigration policy it likes for non-EU citizens.

You missed the point. A FAIR immigration policy treats all foreign countries equally. EU membership forbids that - unless you wish to allow unrestricted immigration from every country in the world.

No current EU member country has a fair immigration policy.

 

[Information Analyst]

You missed the point. A FAIR immigration policy treats all foreign countries equally. EU membership forbids that - unless you wish to allow unrestricted immigration from every country in the world.

No current EU member country has a fair immigration policy.

Would that be because you think every country should be more restrictive, or less?

 

[Darat]

You missed the point. A FAIR immigration policy treats all foreign countries equally. EU membership forbids that - unless you wish to allow unrestricted immigration from every country in the world.

No current EU member country has a fair immigration policy.

Nope didn’t miss the point, the point was very clear in stating that the EU didn’t let us set our own policies for immigrants from outside the EU. It doesn’t.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

You missed the point. A FAIR immigration policy treats all foreign countries equally. EU membership forbids that - unless you wish to allow unrestricted immigration from every country in the world.

No current EU member country has a fair immigration policy.

in your opinion which country has or is closest to having immigration policy right?

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Nope didn’t miss the point, the point was very clear in stating that the EU didn’t let us set our own policies for immigrants from outside the EU. It doesn’t.

and the point also is that the EU affords it's citizens additional rights rather than depriving others of anything they would otherwise have.

 

[ceptimus]

and the point also is that the EU affords it's citizens additional rights rather than depriving others of anything they would otherwise have.

That's like saying that apartheid South Africa afforded its white citizens additional rights rather than depriving others of their rights. The whole thing about rights, as you well know, is that everyone should be afforded EQUAL rights.

 

[The Don]

Good to see that May is pressing on with a diamond-hard Brexit to appease the minority of Conservative MPs who are pro-Brexit and risking the economic future of the country

The government has restated its commitment to leaving the EU's custom union - ahead of a symbolic vote on the issue this week.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43860453

And as an added "bonus", leaving the customs union will make any solution to the Northern Ireland situation even trickier.

 

[Wildy]

Good to see that May is pressing on with a diamond-hard Brexit to appease the minority of Conservative MPs who are pro-Brexit and risking the economic future of the country



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43860453

And as an added "bonus", leaving the customs union will make any solution to the Northern Ireland situation even trickier.

That shouldn't matter, the EU will be announcing any day now that they're going to kick Ireland out of the customs union in order to stabilise Northern Ireland's economy once Brexit happens.

 

[fagin]

That's like saying that apartheid South Africa afforded its white citizens additional rights rather than depriving others of their rights. The whole thing about rights, as you well know, is that everyone should be afforded EQUAL rights.

No, it really isn't.

 

[Darat]

That's like saying that apartheid South Africa afforded its white citizens additional rights rather than depriving others of their rights. The whole thing about rights, as you well know, is that everyone should be afforded EQUAL rights.

And there is nothing in us being an EU member that stops us applying "equal" rights to every single person in the world in regards to immigration to the UK right now.

 

[Andy_Ross]

That's like saying that apartheid South Africa afforded its white citizens additional rights rather than depriving others of their rights. The whole thing about rights, as you well know, is that everyone should be afforded EQUAL rights.

So open up to everyone then rather than restrict?