Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

[Venom]

Right on.

Thanks!

 

[HSienzant]

Right on.

Thanks!

Just curious, was it the Z413 shooter or the badgeman image you were thinking of?

Hank

PS: Conspiracy theorists have been seeing shooters everywhere since almost the day of the assassination. Some of those are discussed by the HSCA photographic panel. None of them are legit.

 

[bknight]

Here's that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thSPu57vaWg

Hank

Thanks, I am stressed for time and can't be at the pc for long periods of time for the next two months.

 

[Venom]

Just curious, was it the Z413 shooter or the badgeman image you were thinking of?

Hank

PS: Conspiracy theorists have been seeing shooters everywhere since almost the day of the assassination. Some of those are discussed by the HSCA photographic panel. None of them are legit.

I cannot recall exactly anymore, but the Badge Man thing seems most like what I remember.

 

[HSienzant]

Thanks, I am stressed for time and can't be at the pc for long periods of time for the next two months.

No worries. You can start at the 4 minute mark and watch for the next 3.5 minutes. There's an intro to the issue in the first four minutes you probably don't need.

Hank

 

[traxy]

Just curious, was it the Z413 shooter or the badgeman image you were thinking of?

Hank

PS: Conspiracy theorists have been seeing shooters everywhere since almost the day of the assassination. Some of those are discussed by the HSCA photographic panel. None of them are legit.

I think with Badge Man, the trick was that he would have had to be 8 feet tall (or standing on a ladder) for him to have that much of his body visible above the picket fence in the Moorman Polaroid.

 

[pgwenthold]

I think with Badge Man, the trick was that he would have had to be 8 feet tall (or standing on a ladder) for him to have that much of his body visible above the picket fence in the Moorman Polaroid.

I thought Badge Man was on a knee in the middle of the Grassy Knoll?

Then again, it's hard to keep all the imaginary shooters straight.

 

[traxy]

I thought Badge Man was on a knee in the middle of the Grassy Knoll?

Then again, it's hard to keep all the imaginary shooters straight.

From the Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badge_Man

Researcher Dale Myers argues that measurements of the area prove that the alleged figure would have been in an impossible position to fire a weapon at the motorcade: "if [Badge Man were] truly a human being of average height and build, [he] was located 12–18 feet (3.7–5.5 m) behind the fence line and elevated 3–4 feet (0.91–1.2 m) above the ground."

 

[smartcooky]

Oh, Jack White was the nitwit who came up with the colourised images of Badge Man! That explains a lot.

Jack White was one of those nutcase Moon Hoax proponents who claimed to be a photogrammetry expert. He thought that non parallel shadows in photos taken on the lunar surface "proved" that two different light sources were used (therefore hoax). Any first year photography student can tell you that two light sources must mean that each object casts two shadows. In fact, non-parallel shadows are caused either by the perspective distortion which occurs when showing a 3D world in a 2D image, or by the fact that the lunar surface was uneven.

Jack White had his arse handed to him by Robert Genzman during the HSCA when he testified that the back yard photos of LHO holding the Carcano were fakes. Genzman demolished his testimony on the stand.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/hscawhte.htm

 

[Axxman300]

Something that dawned on me is the question: What if Oswald had got away with his rifle, and vanished would he still be a suspect?

The answer is yes because of the Carcano.

I believe that had he got away almost everyone would accept that he was the shooter because we wouldn't have got a good look at him. Instead he'd be a shadowy character with a suspicious history.

 

[manifesto]

I wonder if you noticed, or care, how this undermines your claims.
You are claiming that the recording is unreliable and sounds in the sequence can not be considered fixed in time or order.

No, I’m pointing out the fact that the 59 seconds difference in recorded vs. real time between the Decker and Bellah crosstalks neutralizes the argument that the 5 rifle shots on the cha-1 recording are recorded one minute after the actual shooting and therefore have to be statics recorded by an unknown mike at the Trade Mart. The only known plausible reason for this is a skipping needle, either when recording or when making a copy of the recording.

Assuming your new claims of a skipping needle are valid (they are not)

Why are they not valid? Explain.

and assuming you have identified the correct microphone (you have not)

It has to be McLain, by process of elimination. No? Explain.

and given that no motorcycle is visible, in the right place for those impulses to be shots, what conclusion can reasonably be drawn?

Wrong. The correct wording is: Nothing (so far) is visible from the five critical positions on Huoston and Elm. Therefore there is no direct visible proof for or against McLain being there at the critical points in time. There is on top of that no direct visible proof of McLain being ANYWHERE during the time of the shooting.

Inference from the photographic record shows that McLain is the only MC-police that COULD have been the cop with the stuck mike in the critical positions during the shooting. The photographic record show him on Huoston just before the shooting begins and on Elm just after the shooting have stopped.

In his testimony to HSCA McLain said that he had cronic problems with his mike getting stuck all the time.

Go further. What attribute of the dialogue indicates it, over other sounds, is displaced? (Other than it being a convenient excuse?)
None.

Convenient excuse? The timing between the Bellah and the Decker crosstalk is exactly 59 seconds longer than it was in real life. That is proof of the Decker crosstalk being ca one minute earlier on cha-1 than it should be.

Ergo, the Decker simulcast is NOT evidence of the claimed 5 rifle shots on the DPD-recording being recorded a minute after the real shooting.

Do you have anything else?

The simplest explanation that explains most points of evidence, including engines being heard to rev when they should have idled,

Where? When? Explain.

the lack of visible candidate in the filmed footage,

No footage of the critical areas at all at the critical time period, is the correct wording.

the dialogue,

What dialouge? The Decker simulcast? Se above.

etc,

Etc? What?

is that the recording is NOT a witness to the gunshots at all.

So far you have not been able to show that, no.

Try again.

 

[RoboTimbo]

<snipped running away>

Try again.

manifesto, which officer's mic was held open? Why do you repeatedly run away and fail to answer?

 

[manifesto]

Manifesto’s sinister comments about the CIA suppressing American democracy reminded me of this quote from Tom Wolfe — “The dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet lands only in Europe.”

Fascism was a peculiar Italian way of suppressing democracy and human rights. And yes, last time I checked, Italy was a country in Europe, yes.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Fascism was a peculiar Italian way of suppressing democracy and human rights. And yes, last time I checked, Italy was a country in Europe, yes.

Do you want to fail to answer questions your whole life?

 

[abaddon]

Oh, Jack White was the nitwit who came up with the colourised images of Badge Man! That explains a lot.

Jack White was one of those nutcase Moon Hoax proponents who claimed to be a photogrammetry expert. He thought that non parallel shadows in photos taken on the lunar surface "proved" that two different light sources were used (therefore hoax). Any first year photography student can tell you that two light sources must mean that each object casts two shadows. In fact, non-parallel shadows are caused either by the perspective distortion which occurs when showing a 3D world in a 2D image, or by the fact that the lunar surface was uneven.

Jack White had his arse handed to him by Robert Genzman during the HSCA when he testified that the back yard photos of LHO holding the Carcano were fakes. Genzman demolished his testimony on the stand.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/hscawhte.htm

My favourite part...

Mr. GOLDSMITH. When you did this study, did you compute photogrammetrically the effect of tilt on the way that the length of an object appears in a photograph?
Mr. WHITE. I conducted a study by photographing a yardstick from three different-
Mr. GOLDSMITH. Mr. White, answer my question. Did you compute photogrammetrically----
Mr. WHITE. What is "photogrammetrically"? Describe to me what "photogrammetrically" is.
Mr. GOLDSMITH. I just have one more question Mr. White. Do you know what photogrammetry is?
Mr. WHITE. No.
Mr. GOLDSMITH. I have no further questions. Thank you.

 

[Steve]

Do you want to fail to answer questions your whole life?

Stick with what you do best.

 

[manifesto]

You have no evidence that the skipping needle was the cause of Decker's voice. It was offered as a theory but never actually proven.

It is proven that the timing between the Bellah cross talk and the Decker ditto differ from the real timing with exactly 59 seconds = the Decker cross talk doesn’t prove that the identified 5 rifle shots was recorded one minute after the real event and therefore could not be rifle shots.

The only known cause for this is a skipping needle/stylus when recording or, when making a copy.

Photographic evidence proved that HB McLain wasn't in the spot the HSCA needed him to be in.

There is no photographic record of the spots in the critical time sequence. McLain is the only MC-police who COULD have been there and then. Process of elimination.

So much for that.

Yes, so much for that. Do you have anything else?

 

[Steve]

It is proven that the timing between the Bellah cross talk and the Decker ditto differ from the real timing with exactly 59 seconds = the Decker cross talk doesn’t prove that the identified 5 rifle shots was recorded one minute after the real event and therefore could not be rifle shots.

The only known cause for this is a skipping needle/stylus when recording or, when making a copy.

There is no photographic record of the spots in the critical time sequence. McLain is the only MC-police who COULD have been there and then. Process of elimination.

Yes, so much for that. Do you have anything else?

Do you?

 

[RoboTimbo]

It is proven that the timing between the Bellah cross talk and the Decker ditto differ from the real timing with exactly 59 seconds = the Decker cross talk doesn’t prove that the identified 5 rifle shots was recorded one minute after the real event and therefore could not be rifle shots.

The only known cause for this is a skipping needle/stylus when recording or, when making a copy.

There is no photographic record of the spots in the critical time sequence. McLain is the only MC-police who COULD have been there and then. Process of elimination.

Yes, so much for that. Do you have anything else?

Per the National Academy of Sciences, they unanimously concluded that:

The acoustic analyses do not demonstrate that there was a grassy knoll shot, and in particular there is no acoustic basis for the claim of 95% probability of such a shot.
The acoustic impulses attributed to gunshots were recorded about one minute after the President had been shot and the motorcade had been instructed to go to the hospital.
Therefore, reliable acoustic data do not support a conclusion that there was a second gunman.

The NULL hypothesis remains intact. Do you have any other claims?

 

[OKBob]

Why are they not valid? Explain.

Can't you even begin to understand how logic and argumentation work? You're the one with the unproven claim that the needle skipped. That means you have to provide persuasive evidence of that claim. No one here is required to produce evidence to disprove your silly suspicions or hypotheses. Once again, and for all time, don't try to shift your burden of proof to us.