Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

[manifesto]

All of them. Your Gish Gallops are not evidence. Your Gish Gallops are assertions, backed by nothing at all.

Meanwhile, where I have asked specifically for evidence, you go blind to those posts and ignore them completely.

Hank

Ok, take your best pick and Begin with that, one at a time.

And, do you have any evicence of yor claim that Oswald killed JFK?

Are you EVER going to provide such, Hank?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Who have ”debunked” HSCA’s acoustical investigations?

What did your "well-read" research tell you?

LOL.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Ok, take your best pick and Begin with that, one at a time.

You may take your pick.

And, do you have any evicence of yor claim that Oswald killed JFK?

What evidence are you familiar with? You don't seem to know anything about it.

Are you EVER going to provide such, Hank?

Are you EVER going to answer all those questions?

 

[manifesto]

This Catholic/Protestant CT seems to have gotten some traction in the Irish press a few years ago, with some articles suggesting that Greer had been a member of an Orange (Protestant Irish) organization dedicated to resisting Rome and the Pope. Even if one accepts this affiliation of Greer's (and I'd certainly want more evidence), the Orange lodge of which he was purportedly a member advocated resistance to Rome "by all lawful means." That rules out murdering the President.

I don’t belive that the Orange lodge was behind the conspiracy, I state that Greer probably would have been an easy target for persuasion by the planers of the conspiracy. I also presented a list of compelling evidence supporting that statement. And noted that Secret Service unlawfully destroyed all the records from the timeperiod making it probably impossible to ever know the truth.

You disagree?

 

[RoboTimbo]

I don’t belive that the Orange lodge was behind the conspiracy, I state that Greer probably would have been an easy target for persuasion by the planers of the conspiracy. I also presented a list of compelling evidence supporting that statement. And noted that Secret Service unlawfully destroyed all the records from the timeperiod making it probably impossible to ever know the truth.

You disagree?

Until you've answered all those outstanding questions, you lose.

You disagree?

 

[manifesto]

What did your "well-read" research tell you?

LOL.

Ah, again you are expecting me to dig up evidence proving your claims.

Edited by jsfisher: 

...SNIP... Edited for compliance with Rules 0 and 12 of the Membership Agreement.

 

[Tomtomkent]

What evidence needs digging up?
The twenty something volumes of the WC have been stated time and again as evidence.
Specific arguments have been made at college nsiderable length in this thread and predecessor threads.
They are here, on the forum to be read.

All you have to do is read it.
If you aren’t familiar with the literature as previously stated, just ask for pointers where to start reading.

It is not feasible to expect a full and thorough indexing of all the evidence against Oswald.
It’s not needed.
Either read the threads for the arguments, or the WC report, for a summary of the evidence.
Heck, read the whole WC transcripts if you are that worried about missing stuff.

But it takes wilful ignorance to claim arguments are not presented just because you won’t go back and read it.

 

[bknight]

Who have ”debunked” HSCA’s acoustical investigations?

I posted links earlier go find them and figure out why the analysis of the 70's was not accurate enough in the 2000's. Technology moved on why haven't you considering the acoustical claim of four gunshots?

ETA: Go find the links I provided, or do you not want to be enlightened?

 

[traxy]

And, do you have any evicence of yor claim that Oswald killed JFK?

I'll take the low hanging fruit here.


Every recovered slug and fragment was ballistically matched to the Mannlicher Carcano recovered on the 6th floor of the depository. That rifle had the palm print and fingerprints of Lee Harvey Oswald, and according to the paper trail of that rifle, it was delivered to a post office box belonging to Oswald.

 

[manifesto]

I'll take the low hanging fruit here.


Every recovered slug and fragment

And those not recovered?

was ballistically matched to the Mannlicher Carcano recovered on the 6th floor of the depository.

Matched, by whom and how?

That rifle had the palm print

1. Palm prints are very uncertain to prove.

2. The palmprint was ”remembered” lifted by DPD’s Lt. Day a week after the rifle had been analyzed by DPD and after that, FBI HQ in D.C., back again in Dallas and finally back again at FBI HQ.

3. Lt. Day did not photograph the print before allegedly lifting it.

4. After he allegedly lifted it it wasn’t there anymore.

5. Lt. Day never signed the affidavit claiming his finding.

and fingerprints of Lee Harvey Oswald,

What fingerprints?

and according to the paper trail of that rifle, it was delivered to a post office box belonging to Oswald.

What paper trail?

Show me.

How’s that for ”low hanging fruit”.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Any evidence for shots not recovered?

 

[Tomtomkent]

And more conspiracy innuendo. A print was “remembered”?
Well, seeing as we have it on a card, and was lifted with location marks unique to the rifle, and is a match for Oswald, we will need a theory that better explains the evidence points... or it’s Oswald’s.

I won’t hold my breath.
Of course, this has already been discussed. At length.

 

[traxy]

And those not recovered?

Did not exist.

Matched, by whom and how?

Matched by FBI ballistics experts using rifling on the recovered bullets and fragments.

1. Palm prints are very uncertain to prove.

2. The palmprint was ”remembered” lifted by DPD’s Lt. Day a week after the rifle had been analyzed by DPD and after that, FBI HQ in D.C., back again in Dallas and finally back again at FBI HQ.

3. Lt. Day did not photograph the print before allegedly lifting it.

4. After he allegedly lifted it it wasn’t there anymore.

5. Lt. Day never signed the affidavit claiming his finding.

The palm print entered into evidence was witnessed by multiple Dallas PD officers on the night of the shooting. Distinct markings on the lift matched it to the exact spot on the rifle it was lifted from.

What fingerprints?

The partial print on the trigger housing. Photographed and lifted the day of the assassination. Found to have 3 points of match, 3 points of near match and zero points of exclusion on initial examination. That same print was definitively matched with 24 points of match by Vincent Scalise in 1992 using high contrast photos of the print recovered from Dallas PD evidence.

What paper trail?

The Klein's Sporting Goods order form. Waldman exhibit 7.

 

[manifesto]

Any evidence for shots not recovered?

The assertion was:

Every recovered slug and fragment

Here is a fragment not recovered: http://jfkfacts.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/JFK-Autopsy-X-Rays-Mantik.pdf

Maybe because it wasn’t there to with.

 

[HSienzant]

Who have ”debunked” HSCA’s acoustical investigations?

I thought you were well-read on the subject?

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

And those not recovered?

Matched, by whom and how?

What fingerprints?

What paper trail?

Answer a conspiracy theorist's questions, he just asks more questions. No answer will ever be sufficient for Manifesto. The farce is strong with this one.

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

Any evidence for shots not recovered?

Here is a fragment not recovered....
Maybe because it wasn’t there to with.

Well, if it wasn't there to begin with, then it's not missing, and your attempt to establish a missing fragment is a FAIL.

Do you need more explanation as you did with the null hypothesis, or are you now better understanding how your argument isn't responsive to the question asked?

That's another question you haven't been able to answer.

Add it to the list!

Hank

 

[RoboTimbo]

And those not recovered?

What rifle were the unrecovered ones traced to?

Matched, by whom and how?

You aren't well read on the subject at all, are you?

1. Palm prints are very uncertain to prove.

Is there anything you can't get wrong?

2. The palmprint was ”remembered” lifted by DPD’s Lt. Day a week after the rifle had been analyzed by DPD and after that, FBI HQ in D.C., back again in Dallas and finally back again at FBI HQ.

Explain.

3. Lt. Day did not photograph the print before allegedly lifting it.

4. After he allegedly lifted it it wasn’t there anymore.

5. Lt. Day never signed the affidavit claiming his finding.

And?

What fingerprints?

What paper trail?

Is there any subject you are familiar with?

Show me.

How’s that for ”low hanging fruit”.

Do you know of any CTists who know something?

 

[abaddon]

Not according to Greers own son who in an interview insinuated exactly that when asked if his father liked JFK: ”Well, JFK was a catholic and we are Irish protestants, so no, not really” (quoting from memory).

You have to familiarize with Irish History to really grasp the hatred and how deep it went.

He was behaving extremely odd at Parkland after the shooting, crying and almost aggressively begging Jackie for forgivness, yes. But after that, he lied to the Commission, saying he did what he was supposed to do. The Zapruder-film is showing the opposite. If Greer had done what he as a veteran was trained to do, JFK would have probably survived.

I am Irish and everything you have claimed is utter bollocks. Go back to school.

 

[abaddon]

Ok, take your best pick and Begin with that, one at a time.

And, do you have any evicence of yor claim that Oswald killed JFK?

Are you EVER going to provide such, Hank?

It has been provided. Are you ever going to read it, Robert?