Stormy Daniels Sues the President

[ponderingturtle]

Everything that isn't protected by attorney-client privilege is fair game; and as a Fixer, Cohen would have kept his clients at arms length for most shady deals, ergo no privilige.

And everything criminal is also not protected by the privilege.

But not trump disclosing crimes to him after he committed them, only ones that Cohen was involved in the planning of.

 

[The Big Dog]

So, since the raid on Cohen seems to have been triggered by Trump's statement that he knew nothing about the payment to Daniels, and that statement was "very clever", then it must mean that the raid was part of Trump and Cohen's plan, must it not? I can't wait to see what very clever move they've got up their sleeves next.

That is so laughably false I laughed!

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I have been desperately trying to ignore this story.

Try harder.

Please.

 

[The Big Dog]

As usual, Seth Abramson's feed provides very useful context. He thinks the SDNY coordination was probably done to provide a "clean team" to overrule objections of attorney-client privilege. Apparently it's SOP to have a team like this.

Also the raid wasn't just about Stormy - remember Cohen has been Trump's "fixer" for years.

As usual, Seth Abramson is a dope. There is no reason Mueller's team could not provide a segregated team to review for privilege, but there is a reason that they would make a referral to the SDNY team of matter outside the scope of their appointment.

 

[BobTheCoward]

As usual, Seth Abramson is a dope. There is no reason Mueller's team could not provide a segregated team to review for privilege, but there is a reason that they would make a referral to the SDNY team of matter outside the scope of their appointment.

Also, the appointment has no legal basis, but is an attorney general creation. The scope can be modified on a whim.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

But not trump disclosing crimes to him after he committed them, only ones that Cohen was involved in the planning of.

That actually depends: if he was seeking Cohen's advice, then yes, it would be protected.
If he was bragging about it not.
But it is very unlikely that Cohen would have any notes on such meetings.

 

[Jungle Jim]

Here is the Daily Beast take of the FBI Raid on Michael Cohn: https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-r...angerous-day-of-donald-trumps-life?ref=scroll

My favorite line: "If Cohen had a lump of coal in his ass the moment those search warrants arrived, he could have popped out a diamond."

 

[Cavemonster]

If they found criminal evidence while looking for the stuff on Stormy would it be admissible? It gave them enough for the warrant after all.

From what I've read there are a few exceptions to attorney client privilege. If communications involved the planning of the commission of a crime, fraud or tort it isn't protected. The same if there are communications not strictly given in a legitimate legal context or if that information has been disclosed elsewhere.

So for starters, "Michael, help me cover up this money laundering" would not be protected.

 

[Toontown]

Attorney-client privilege cannot be used as cover for criminal activity. There is law specifically aimed at that.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

As usual, Seth Abramson is a dope. There is no reason Mueller's team could not provide a segregated team to review for privilege, but there is a reason that they would make a referral to the SDNY team of matter outside the scope of their appointment.

As usual, you clearly didn't read what was actually written.

UPDATE: The readers of this feed are smart as hell. I just got a tip via DM suggesting Mueller *may* have used SDNY in part so attorneys there could act as a "clean team" to conduct a privilege review on any attorney-client documents taken from Cohen's office. Interesting theory.
As far as:

There is no reason Mueller's team could not provide a segregated team

How about so they can remove themselves one step further from the cries of DEEP STATE ! WITCH HUNT ! HERP DERP !

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Most likely, Mueller would have had to inform the DOJ of the upcoming raid if he was going to initiate it: this would have tipped Trump/Cohen off.

 

[The Big Dog]

Most likely, Mueller would have had to inform the DOJ of the upcoming raid if he was going to initiate it: this would have tipped Trump/Cohen off.

the SDNY DAO is part of the DoJ and at a minimum the DA would have had to sign off although it is more likely that they kicked up to the Assistant AG level.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

There is no reason Mueller's team could not provide a segregated team to review for privilege,

Which everyone on Team Trump, including you, would already be accusing of bias. This is a separate team entirely, who is not investigating Trump even indirectly, to properly vet his claims of attorney-client privilege (which have already begun) in accordance with the law and tell him to go suck it when appropriate.

This is how grown ups who respect the justice system more than politics conduct themselves. Take some notes or something, it may be educational.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

the SDNY DAO is part of the DoJ and at a minimum the DA would have had to sign off although it is more likely that they kicked up to the Assistant AG level.

Why not all the way to Sessions? It is after all not directly related to the Russia probe.

 

[The Big Dog]

Which everyone on Team Trump, including you, would already be accusing of bias. This is a separate team entirely, who is not investigating Trump even indirectly, to properly vet his claims of attorney-client privilege (which have already begun) in accordance with the law and tell him to go suck it when appropriate.

This is how grown ups who respect the justice system more than politics conduct themselves. Take some notes or something, it may be educational.

Here is my entire sentence:

"There is no reason Mueller's team could not provide a segregated team to review for privilege, but there is a reason that they would make a referral to the SDNY team of matter outside the scope of their appointment."

The irony of cutting my post in half and then telling me that is how "teh grown ups" do it, because they are totes ascared of being accused of bias.

Or maybe they don't give an actual **** about that, but are concerned that the information uncovered was not within the scope of his appointment.

Which, protip? Would actually be WORSE news for Cohen. Say, I think we learned something

 

[The Big Dog]

Why not all the way to Sessions? It is after all not directly related to the Russia probe.

They are all part of the DoJ. If I was Sessions and heard the referral came from Mueller I would delegate the decision.

 

[plague311]

I have been desperately trying to ignore this story. I can sniff ******** a mile off.

You're not very good at it considering the title of the thread you continuously click on to make your extremely uneducated posts about this case. Thanks for popping in though. It might help others refresh.

She said a lot of things. The daughter crack (how convenient, we all know he wants his daughter, right?). The mysterious threat in a dark parking lot - "Be a shame if something happened to your little girl..." What is this, The Godfather? That right there made me question a lot of other things she said.

You and Vixen should make a play date to learn some of the very basic, beginner facts of this case. It wasn't a dark parking lot, he didn't threaten the girl, and Trump himself has stated he wants to take his daughter to poundtown on more than one occasion.

What you're basically saying is what made you question a lot of other things she said is based off of things she didn't actually say that you weren't paying enough attention to. There has to be a fallacy name for that.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Or maybe they don't give an actual **** about that, but are concerned that the information uncovered was not within the scope of his appointment.

You aren't familiar with his appointment, are you? The scope of his appointment explicitly allows him to claim whatever he likes as part of his appointment. That wasn't part of the logic.

 

[The Big Dog]

You aren't familiar with his appointment, are you? The scope of his appointment explicitly allows him to claim whatever he likes as part of his appointment. That wasn't part of the logic.

wrong.

28 cfr section 600.4 a

By the way, you just got done saying that they were concerned about avoiding the appearance of bias, now you are saying that he can "claim whatever he likes as part of his appointment"?? Folks I thinks I just got whiplash!

 

[Dr. Keith]

The FBI raids are clearly very good for Trump & Co. It is truly another sign that Trump has done nothing wrong and has the best people working for him. I'll just sit back and listen to all the well reasoned explanations why.

Note: Bush's personal attorney was never subject of an FBI raid and we all know how awful he was. Either one, really.