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Why Hitler Declared War On The United States

Dave Rogers said:
News to me; I always thought the up-armouring and up-gunning of the A-20 to produce the A-32, which was effectively the prototype of the T-34, was decided on as a result of the experience gained at Khalkhin Gol. The T-34 was partly based on the BT types used in 1939, but it was a vastly more effective and capable tank.

Dave
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ETA: Ironically I was replying to a different thread, with a comment about derails...

And missed this
 
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Dave Rogers said:
News to me; I always thought the up-armouring and up-gunning of the A-20 to produce the A-32, which was effectively the prototype of the T-34, was decided on as a result of the experience gained at Khalkhin Gol. The T-34 was partly based on the BT types used in 1939, but it was a vastly more effective and capable tank.

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Yes you're right. I misread a reference to the significance of the experience of that battle in inspiring future tank development.
 
Tyler Kent was a clerk who worked at the US embassy in London. In 1940 he discovered that Roosevelt was engaging in secret correspondence with Churchill and that the US president was trying to bring America into the war on the side of Britain behind the backs of both the Congress (which is supposed to decide on declarations of war) and the American people the majority of whom supported neutrality. He was going to leak this information to the press but was arrested and imprisoned by the UK authorities. They put out a lying cover story saying he was a nazi agent which wasn't true. Tyler Kent was an American citizen who was very concerned that the president of his country was a pathological liar and warmonger who said one thing in public and the exact opposite in private. The link below is to a talk Tyler Kent gave in 1983. You can read what this 1940s version of Julian Assange or Edward Snowden had to say in his own words -
https://codoh.com/library/document/2049/
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7486
 
Mondial said:
Tyler Kent was a clerk who worked at the US embassy in London. In 1940 he discovered that Roosevelt was engaging in secret correspondence with Churchill and that the US president was trying to bring America into the war on the side of Britain behind the backs of both the Congress (which is supposed to decide on declarations of war) and the American people the majority of whom supported neutrality. He was going to leak this information to the press but was arrested and imprisoned by the UK authorities. They put out a lying cover story saying he was a nazi agent which wasn't true. Tyler Kent was an American citizen who was very concerned that the president of his country was a pathological liar and warmonger who said one thing in public and the exact opposite in private. The link below is to a talk Tyler Kent gave in 1983. You can read what this 1940s version of Julian Assange or Edward Snowden had to say in his own words -
https://codoh.com/library/document/2049/
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7486
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That nasty Churchill... trying to get help against poor old Hitler, who wasn't doing anything except for conquering all of continental Europe.

Who can blame uncle Adolf for declaring war on the US after that? After all, those naughty Brits had already declared war on widdle Wolfie when he was just minding his own business invading Poland.
 
Mondial said:
Tyler Kent was a clerk who worked at the US embassy in London. In 1940 he discovered that Roosevelt was engaging in secret correspondence with Churchill and that the US president was trying to bring America into the war on the side of Britain behind the backs of both the Congress (which is supposed to decide on declarations of war) and the American people the majority of whom supported neutrality. He was going to leak this information to the press but was arrested and imprisoned by the UK authorities. They put out a lying cover story saying he was a nazi agent which wasn't true. Tyler Kent was an American citizen who was very concerned that the president of his country was a pathological liar and warmonger who said one thing in public and the exact opposite in private. The link below is to a talk Tyler Kent gave in 1983. You can read what this 1940s version of Julian Assange or Edward Snowden had to say in his own words -
https://codoh.com/library/document/2049/
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7486
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Wow isn't it odd that every one - in Mondial's world - who opposed Hitler was actually secretly utterly evil while the Austrian was the prophet of goodness and light?

lol

Mondial go read about Tyler Kent at a site that wasn't written by a Nazi fanboy.
 
Mondial said:
Tyler Kent was a clerk who worked at the US embassy in London. In 1940 he discovered that Roosevelt was engaging in secret correspondence with Churchill and that the US president was trying to bring America into the war on the side of Britain behind the backs of both the Congress (which is supposed to decide on declarations of war) and the American people the majority of whom supported neutrality. He was going to leak this information to the press but was arrested and imprisoned by the UK authorities.
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Thank goodness for that, I mean the moron is trying to undermine the war effort against a genocidal tyranny so he pretty much had it coming.
 
Mondial said:
Tyler Kent was a clerk who worked at the US embassy in London. In 1940 he discovered that Roosevelt was engaging in secret correspondence with Churchill and that the US president was trying to bring America into the war on the side of Britain behind the backs of both the Congress (which is supposed to decide on declarations of war) and the American people the majority of whom supported neutrality. He was going to leak this information to the press but was arrested and imprisoned by the UK authorities. They put out a lying cover story saying he was a nazi agent which wasn't true. Tyler Kent was an American citizen who was very concerned that the president of his country was a pathological liar and warmonger who said one thing in public and the exact opposite in private. The link below is to a talk Tyler Kent gave in 1983. You can read what this 1940s version of Julian Assange or Edward Snowden had to say in his own words -
https://codoh.com/library/document/2049/
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7486
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He later appeared at meetings sponsored by the Institute of Historical Review. Finding his own level?

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Hans said:
Wow isn't it odd that every one - in Mondial's world - who opposed Hitler was actually secretly utterly evil while the Austrian was the prophet of goodness and light?

lol

Mondial go read about Tyler Kent at a site that wasn't written by a Nazi fanboy.
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Start here for an overview, then go to the references for further information.
 
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Major Major said:
He later appeared at meetings sponsored by the Institute of Historical Review. Finding his own level?

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Mondial has been told many times that linking to Nazifan boy sites means an immediate debunk. Yet he persists he simply cannot or more probably he willfully has set out to not understand the concepts of the nature of historical research.
 
Hans said:
Mondial has been told many times that linking to Nazifan boy sites means an immediate debunk. Yet he persists he simply cannot or more probably he willfully has set out to not understand the concepts of the nature of historical research.
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Isn't this just about what you should expect from a Nazi Defender?
 
There was an interesting TV documentary yesterday in the UK on Yesterday TV which gave some of the reasons why Hitler declared war on America. There was quite a large pro-Nazi movement and 'America First' and opposition to involvement in a European war in America at the time, supported by German Americans and Irish Americans. Hitler was opposed to the Jews in America, and to Roosevelt, who to give him credit was opposed to Hitler, and Hitler wanted to overthrow democracy there and replace him with the Fuehrer Kuhn. Hitler thought there was no culture in America even though the Metropolitan Opera in New York was still going strong.

It looks like the FBI did some excellent work for a change and rounded up and even executed several Nazi agents. Kuhn was imprisoned on tax evasion charges to Sing-Sing prison, and after the war he went to Germany where he lived in obscurity. On that documentary it said that Hitler had plans to bomb America using the Azores as a staging post, which fortunately never came to fruition.

http://histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/code/sci/ger/abw/rings/us/gsrus-first.html
 
Henri McPhee said:
There was an interesting TV documentary yesterday in the UK on Yesterday TV which gave some of the reasons why Hitler declared war on America. There was quite a large pro-Nazi movement and 'America First' and opposition to involvement in a European war in America at the time, supported by German Americans and Irish Americans. Hitler was opposed to the Jews in America, and to Roosevelt, who to give him credit was opposed to Hitler, and Hitler wanted to overthrow democracy there and replace him with the Fuehrer Kuhn. Hitler thought there was no culture in America even though the Metropolitan Opera in New York was still going strong.
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Oh so your back to 'I watched a few minutes of a documentary yesterday' mode now? Hitler was anti-Semitic lunatic who saw 'the Jews' as being behind every setback Germany suffered. He declared war on the USA for a number of practical reasons besides his belief that that Roosevelt was in the clutches of some international cabal of Jewish bankers. The USA was already supplying large amounts of materiel to the British, the US Navy was conducting an undeclared war in the Atlantic and Hitler also hoped that Japan might declare war on the USSR if Germany did likewise with the USA.

What you think the Metropolitan Opera had to do with anything I have no idea.
 
It is true that Hitler did not want to go to war with the USA in 1941.

Instead, Hitler wanted to go to war with the USA after he defeated the USSR and England which he figured would have happened in 1939 or 1940 at the latest. But, of course, his wars against England the the USSR were definitely not the fast, decisive wars that Hitler had expected.

Therefore, even if the wars that Hitler was waging against England and the USSR would have gone the way that Hitler originally planned, then he would have gone to war with the USA sooner or later.
 
Crossbow said:
It is true that Hitler did not want to go to war with the USA in 1941.
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That is not totally true. In April of 1941 Hitler told the Japanese that if they attacked the United States he would declare war on the USA in support of Japan. This was designed to encourage the Japanese to attack the Americans.

Basically Hitler felt that the lack of a significant surface navy was harming the German war effort and that if the Japanese attacked the USA he would have the surface navy he wanted.

Hitler, like the Japanese, seems to have seriously underestimated US military and economic power. Also many in the German Navy felt that in order to conduct a really effective U-Boat campaign Germany needed to go to war with the Americans.

Japan's alliance with Germany was defensive and did not require Germany to go to war if Japan attacked America or anyone else. Hitler however declared war on the USA very quickly and before the USA declared war on him. That and the Pearl Harbour attack turned out to be , to put it mildly, serious blunders.
 
Hitler declared war on America because it was ill thought out by him, He seems to have made it on a sort of Trump sudden decision.
 
Henri McPhee said:
Hitler declared war on America because it was ill thought out by him, He seems to have made it on a sort of Trump sudden decision.
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No doubt it seem that way to you because you haven't done any research into the matter.

Hitler had a number of reasons for declaring war on the USA and since you seem to have missed them the last several times they were spelled out let's recap:

1 - He hoped Japan would reciprocate by declaring war on the USSR.

2 - The US was already fighting an undeclared war in the Atlantic with US ships engaging U-Boats, the USS Reuben James was sunk on the 31st of October 1941, over a month before Pearl Harbour.

3 - Doenitz was arguing that the U-Boats had to target shipping in US coastal waters where they were easier to locate and far more vulnerable. They launched this campaign 'Operation Drumbeat' within days of the German declaration of war. They saw huge success at first despite limited U-Boat numbers and this is referred to as the 'Second Happy Time' for the U-Boats.

4 - Hitler had decided in his own twisted world view that Roosevelt was the arch-champion of the Jewish Conspiracy. War with the US was inevitable, better to fight sooner rather than later when the US would be much stronger.

Hitler was right about one thing, war with the USA was all but inevitable for Germany at some point, he tried to seize the initiative with the declaration on 11th December. He utterly miscalculated the US response and the speed with which it could build up its armed forces, but in no way was it a spur of the moment decision or an example of Hitler issuing 'insane' orders.
 
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Garrison said:
No doubt it seem that way to you because you haven't done any research into the matter.

Hitler had a number of reasons for declaring war on the USA and since you seem to have missed them the last several times they were spelled out let's recap:

1 - He hoped Japan would reciprocate by declaring war on the USSR.

2 - The US was already fighting an undeclared war in the Atlantic with US ships engaging U-Boats, the USS Reuben James was sunk on the 31st of October 1941, over a month before Pearl Harbour.

3 - Doenitz was arguing that the U-Boats had to target shipping in US coastal waters where they were easier to locate and far more vulnerable. They launched this campaign 'Operation Drumbeat' within days of the German declaration of war. They saw huge success at first despite limited U-Boat numbers and this is referred to as the 'Second Happy Time' for the U-Boats.

4 - Hitler had decided in his own twisted world view that Roosevelt was the arch-champion of the Jewish Conspiracy. War with the US was inevitable, better to fight sooner rather than later when the US would be much stronger.

Hitler was right about one thing, war with the USA was all but inevitable for Germany at some point, he tried to seize the initiative with the declaration on 11th December. He utterly miscalculated the US response and the speed with which it could build up its armed forces, but in no way was it a spur of the moment decision or an example of Hitler issuing 'insane' orders.
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Hitler declared war on Dec 11 1941. I wonder about two things:

First, did he know that Barbarossa had failed by then? Was he being fed false information, or did he simply choose to believe otherwise. It seems to be a stunning example of insane megalomania to believe that Germany (and minor powers) could defeat the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and the USA all at once.

Secondly, Japan had no plans at all to invade the USSR. Did Hitler know this, did he think they might? There was after all pretty much no operational or even strategic planning between Japan and the European Axis powers.
 
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