Stormy Daniels Sues the President

[Darat]

It's not a NDA, it's a settlement of 130K in return for not revealing juicy material and stories.
Since Daniels never worked for Trump, a NDA would be automatically null and void.

Not at all. As long as the NDA is legal anyone can enter into a NDA to not disclose something. Often when media companies buy salacious photos there will be a contract drawn up between the media company and the supplier that has nothing to do with the subject of the photos. If the media company then decides to not use the photos the contract remains in place.

 

[alfaniner]

I love that the religious right wing nuts stick with him even as it is fully proven he is an adulterer, a seducer, a pedophile (Miss Teen thing), a clear urolagniac and no way in hell is he the slightest bit religious.

But he's rich. And the most powerful man in the world.

My guess is that once he's out of power no one is going to want to "deal" with him.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Why should Trump be able to use violence to stop someone speaking?

I might have missed a detail. Do you mean the violence of the state via the court?

 

[Darat]

I might have missed a detail. Do you mean the violence of the state via the court?

I have no opinion about that.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I have no opinion about that.

That's fair.

 

[Distracted1]

I love that the religious right wing nuts stick with him even as it is fully proven he is an adulterer, a seducer, a pedophile (Miss Teen thing), a clear urolagniac and no way in hell is he the slightest bit religious.

I have read opinions that indicate to me that the narrative being created by some Fundies is that Trump is a tool (no argument from me there), and an imperfect one at that. But no matter, as long as he gets Gods' agenda forwarded they can accept him as the imperfect tool that he is.

At least, that is how some of them are selling it to themselves.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I have read opinions that indicate to me that the narrative being created by some Fundies is that Trump is a tool (no argument from me there), and an imperfect one at that. But no matter, as long as he gets Gods' agenda forwarded they can accept him as the imperfect tool that he is.

At least, that is how some of them are selling it to themselves.

Generally Christians view life as being a constant process of sin and forgiveness. So no selling is required.

 

[Crossbow]

I have read opinions that indicate to me that the narrative being created by some Fundies is that Trump is a tool (no argument from me there), and an imperfect one at that. But no matter, as long as he gets Gods' agenda forwarded they can accept him as the imperfect tool that he is.

At least, that is how some of them are selling it to themselves.

Christians, and other theists, often delude themselves with stupid talk like that.

Or put another way, one often hears things like:

"God moves in mysterious ways.", or
"It's all part of God's plan.", or
"God's will be done."

And so on.

 

[The Greater Fool]

Generally Christians view life as being a constant process of sin and forgiveness. So no selling is required.

Correction:

Generally Christians view life as being a constant process of sin, REPENTANCE, and forgiveness.

This is why GOP sinners get continued support when they are caught in some public sin. They stand up (with their family by their side) and admit their sin(s), claim to repent, then seek and receive forgiveness. While some view such behavior as hypocritical, especially when the cycle repeats, it is consistent with their Christian views.

By trying to hide, and continuing to hide the sin, Trump has not repented, thus should not receive forgiveness. This lack of repentance while his Christian fundy followers continue to forgive and support him reveals their hypocrisy.

In point of fact, Trump never admits his sins, other than perhaps in the ceremonial sense. This is not consistent with the general Christian view that to receive forgiveness one must actually admit the sin.

I have read opinions that indicate to me that the narrative being created by some Fundies is that Trump is a tool (no argument from me there), and an imperfect one at that. But no matter, as long as he gets Gods' agenda forwarded they can accept him as the imperfect tool that he is.

At least, that is how some of them are selling it to themselves.

Except that god can forward his agenda through any tool he chooses, as he chose to do with Pharaoh, certainly not god's servant. God could have used Obama, or Bush, or Bush, or Clinton, or Clinton, or any other Tom, Dick, or Harriet in the Presidential or janitorial slot.

Obviously, claiming Trump is god's tool is a pretty thin fig leaf. They choose to support Trump because he speaks their language: hate.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Not at all. As long as the NDA is legal anyone can enter into a NDA to not disclose something. Often when media companies buy salacious photos there will be a contract drawn up between the media company and the supplier that has nothing to do with the subject of the photos. If the media company then decides to not use the photos the contract remains in place.

Nope.
NDA are about company secrets being kept out of the hands of competitors. In your examples, keeping the photos quiet until publication is part of the business of the media company. Similarly, Trump making the crew of The Apprentice sign NDAs to keep quite about who will get fired when is part of the business of the show.
Not wanting others to know that you got laid by a Porn Star is not part of your business unless you are in the Porn business - and Trump got out of that a long time ago.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Correction:

Generally Christians view life as being a constant process of sin, REPENTANCE, and forgiveness.

This is why GOP sinners get continued support when they are caught in some public sin. They stand up (with their family by their side) and admit their sin(s), claim to repent, then seek and receive forgiveness. While some view such behavior as hypocritical, especially when the cycle repeats, it is consistent with their Christian views.

By trying to hide, and continuing to hide the sin, Trump has not repented, thus should not receive forgiveness. This lack of repentance while his Christian fundy followers continue to forgive and support him reveals their hypocrisy.

In point of fact, Trump never admits his sins, other than perhaps in the ceremonial sense. This is not consistent with the general Christian view that to receive forgiveness one must actually admit the sin.


Except that god can forward his agenda through any tool he chooses, as he chose to do with Pharaoh, certainly not god's servant. God could have used Obama, or Bush, or Bush, or Clinton, or Clinton, or any other Tom, Dick, or Harriet in the Presidential or janitorial slot.

Obviously, claiming Trump is god's tool is a pretty thin fig leaf. They choose to support Trump because he speaks their language: hate.

Doesn't he only have to admit them to God?

 

[The Greater Fool]

Doesn't he only have to admit them to God?

I'm not interested in discussing that.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Nope.
NDA are about company secrets being kept out of the hands of competitors. In your examples, keeping the photos quiet until publication is part of the business of the media company. Similarly, Trump making the crew of The Apprentice sign NDAs to keep quite about who will get fired when is part of the business of the show.
Not wanting others to know that you got laid by a Porn Star is not part of your business unless you are in the Porn business - and Trump got out of that a long time ago.

Nope, NDA's are about any disclosure of information. Hence they are common as part of settlements of say sexual harassment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/non-disclosure-agreements-can-enable-abusers-should-we-get-rid-ncna840371

It is in no way limited to protecting company secrets.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

That interpretation is in dispute.

The standard one can be found here:
https://legaltemplates.net/blog/inf...nnot-protect-with-a-non-disclosure-agreement/

NDA such as you mentioned only work if one party can afford way more lawyers than the target of the NDA.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

That interpretation is in dispute.

No, it's not,



and your link doesn't make your case.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

So, the whole point of the suit is to get a judgement on whether or not the NDA is binding? That's fascinating, because of course the very act of filing the suit makes a non-disclosure agreement irrelevant for all practical purposes. She just disclosed everything she promised not to disclose.

Incorrect. We have not had Trump confirm or Deny he is DD.

We have not seen any pictures, texts, paternal DNA, or other evidence that the relationship took place.

What would happen next? If the judge rules against her, the judge is basically saying, "Plaintiff is ordered not to tell anyone that Defendant Donald J. Trump (AKA Dennis Dennison) carried on a sleazy affair with a porn star and paid hush money to keep it silent.......but since the agreement is still valid, you can keep the hush money. Just don't tell anyone about it."

If the judge rules in her favor, i.e. that the NDA is invalid, wouldn't she have to give back the money?

But of course, at this point she doesn't care about that measly 130,000 dollars. One way or another, she has decided that going public was worth a lot more to her than staying silent.

If the NDA is invalid, she would likely return the money. I believe her attorney said that's not a problem.

If the NDA is valid, then she probably needs to STFU or gets hit with the million dollar per incident fine.

The question brought up in prior posts is does Trump have to affirmatively respond one way or the other, thus admitting to being DD.

If so, many people have made the argument that they don't believe it will matter much. I tend to agree, people have accepted that trump is a sleazy adulterer. This admission likely won't change any minds.

 

[Crossbow]

One good thing that may result from the Stormy Affair, is that the question about the size of Donald Trump's hands may finally be resolved after she publishes some of the various photos and text messages that she has of Trump.

Inquiring minds want to know!

 

[The Great Zaganza]

If the settlement is valid, Trump will have illegally used campaign funds to pay hush money to cover up a crime. Cohen will have set up an illegal LLC.
It is in the best interest of Trump to deny that he is DD and thereby invalidate the settlement.

 

[BobTheCoward]

If the settlement is valid, Trump will have illegally used campaign funds to pay hush money to cover up a crime. Cohen will have set up an illegal LLC.
It is in the best interest of Trump to deny that he is DD and thereby invalidate the settlement.

Wait, what is the crime being covered up?

 

[Thermal]

One good thing that may result from the Stormy Affair, is that the question about the size of Donald Trump's hands may finally be resolved after she publishes some of the various photos and text messages that she has of Trump.

Inquiring minds want to know!

No matter the actual measurement, he will metaphorically always be a pee wee.