The Trump Presidency (Act V - The One Where Everybody Dies)

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dudalb said:
TRump is an one trick pony;Say whatever crap will "fire up the base".



As for his arm teachers proposal,that only teachers who should be armed are the DI's in charge of rifle training at the service academies and basic training......



Dumb,dumb,idea.
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[sarcasm] let's add security guard duties to the job description of every teacher, brilliant![/sarcasm]


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Trump's solution for school shootings: arm teachers, post veterans with guns:
"If the coach had a firearm in his locker when he ran at this guy - that coach was very brave, saved a lot of lives, I suspect - but if he had a firearm he would not have had to run. He would have shot and that would be the end of it," Trump said.
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Trump is brilliant! Oh, but if the coach had a gun in his locker then...

1) He would have had to run out of the building to his locker in the gym, unlock the locker, unlock the gun safe, unlock the ammo safe (if separate as should be the case when there are kids about, or so we are told), load the gun, then run back to shoot the shooter;

2) Schools are not long on security. Even the paragon of virtue that I was in high school, I was I was able to get into the science building, classrooms, and locked equipment room at will;

3) Lockers within schools are not safe places to put anything. In my school, we were clearly told lockers were not places to store valuables, they were only for textbooks (No mixed message there);

4) As I said in another thread, based on my experience I would not feel real comfortable having many of my (or my kids, g-kids, or gg-kids) teachers ready access to guns;

5) Would a hand gun really be very useful against someone that can spray bullets at you?

Other than those minor quibbles, brilliant idea!
 
The Greater Fool said:
Trump's solution for school shootings: arm teachers, post veterans with guns:


Trump is brilliant! Oh, but if the coach had a gun in his locker then...

1) He would have had to run out of the building to his locker in the gym, unlock the locker, unlock the gun safe, unlock the ammo safe (if separate as should be the case when there are kids about, or so we are told), load the gun, then run back to shoot the shooter;

2) Schools are not long on security. Even the paragon of virtue that I was in high school, I was I was able to get into the science building, classrooms, and locked equipment room at will;

3) Lockers within schools are not safe places to put anything. In my school, we were clearly told lockers were not places to store valuables, they were only for textbooks (No mixed message there);

4) As I said in another thread, based on my experience I would not feel real comfortable having many of my (or my kids, g-kids, or gg-kids) teachers ready access to guns;

5) Would a hand gun really be very useful against someone that can spray bullets at you?

Other than those minor quibbles, brilliant idea!
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Remember that an armed guard was present and encountered the shooters at Colombine

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...shooting_shows_that_nra_s_shield_program.html
 
We should view this as a business opportunity.

I'm investing in Thoughts 'N' Prayers lunchboxes. Room for a sandwich, a thermos of milk, and a little body bag.
 
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bruto said:
We should view this as a business opportunity.

I'm investing in Thoughts 'N' Prayers lunchboxes. Room for a sandwich, a thermos of milk, and a little body bag.
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Make that a couple tourniquets instead of the body bag and they're bound to sell. People don't want to think thoughts and prayers is unhelpful. ;)
 
Arming teachers will just make them the shooters first target in a classroom it seems to me. Most shooters kill themselves after their rampage (is that true ?) so arming teachers will probably not be much of a deterrent in many cases. I can also imagine many teachers not wanting to carry a gun. Presumably they would be open carrying on their hip?

All in all, allowing teachers to carry guns could potentially save some lives in some situations but it would mean teachers putting themselves further at risk of being killed themselves if they try to engage. No, the issue here is that it puts a band-aid on the symptoms and doesn't tackle the root cause (whatever that maybe).

My opinion on gun control in the USA is this: For some reason American culture appears to nurture a lot of angry people. If true I wonder if this comes about partly from a hot misalignment of consumerism and the American Dream and the have nots (or never have enoughs) at its root? But also perhaps there seems to be a lack of conversation and real communication with bipartisanship and identity politics getting in the way. There seems to be more dividing people than uniting them right now. Perhaps the reason Religion is so important in the USA is because people feel isolated, afraid and alone. I don't think when trumps says "Make America Great Again" he is talking about a proud unified nation working together, I think he is talking about economics and making (some) people rich and continuing to be a huge world power.

Even if you don't accept that as the reason, there definitely seems to be a culture of fight it out rather than talk things through (imprecisely and hamhandedly put, I know).

I don't generally think there is an issue with allowing people to own guns (with a suitable comprehensive federal gun control legislation in place - obviously), but in a country with a population that appears to descend into violence to effect an outcome to neighborly disagreements, then perhaps having the population awash with guns is not the best idea in this case.
 
BadBoy said:
Arming teachers will just make them the shooters first target in a classroom it seems to me. Most shooters kill themselves after their rampage (is that true ?) so arming teachers will probably not be much of a deterrent in many cases. I can also imagine many teachers not wanting to carry a gun. Presumably they would be open carrying on their hip?

All in all, allowing teachers to carry guns could potentially save some lives in some situations but it would mean teachers putting themselves further at risk of being killed themselves if they try to engage. No, the issue here is that it puts a band-aid on the symptoms and doesn't tackle the root cause (whatever that maybe).

My opinion on gun control in the USA is this: For some reason American culture appears to nurture a lot of angry people. If true I wonder if this comes about partly from a hot misalignment of consumerism and the American Dream and the have nots (or never have enoughs) at its root? But also perhaps there seems to be a lack of conversation and real communication with bipartisanship and identity politics getting in the way. There seems to be more dividing people than uniting them right now. Perhaps the reason Religion is so important in the USA is because people feel isolated, afraid and alone. I don't think when trumps says "Make America Great Again" he is talking about a proud unified nation working together, I think he is talking about economics and making (some) people rich and continuing to be a huge world power.

Even if you don't accept that as the reason, there definitely seems to be a culture of fight it out rather than talk things through (imprecisely and hamhandedly put, I know).

I don't generally think there is an issue with allowing people to own guns (with a suitable comprehensive federal gun control legislation in place - obviously), but in a country with a population that appears to descend into violence to effect an outcome to neighborly disagreements, then perhaps having the population awash with guns is not the best idea in this case.
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Lack of public health care is a problem too.
And having guns on campus is a good way for then to end up in the hands of students.
 
jimbob said:
Remember that an armed guard was present and encountered the shooters at Colombine

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...shooting_shows_that_nra_s_shield_program.html
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The Beeb reported this morning (it's Friday over here) that there was an armed guard at Parkland who didn't go and engage the shooter. He's either been relieved of duty or suspended (or a variation on the two).

We've now seen in at least two major incidents that trained LEOs won't engage, but Donnie Johnny and the NRA think Mr. Peeper and Miss Brooks are gonna whip out their Glocks and take down the bad guy. I think with the exception of Betsy de Vos, no profssionals in education think this is a good idea.

"Well, yes, I did say three times two is eight, but I was distracted by a shadow outside the window and was getting ready for a firefight. Sorry little Timmy didn't get into the school you wanted, but hey, eternal vigilance is what teaching's all about, amiright?"
 
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