The Trump Presidency (Act V - The One Where Everybody Dies)

[NoahFence]

The stupid link called it a "subversion of democracy." You can't subvert democracy using the powers given to you by that democracy to resolve these kinds of issues.

You can when it turns out using them in that manner is illegal. Which, apparently it is.

checkmate.

 

[BobTheCoward]

You can when it turns out using them in that manner is illegal. Which, apparently it is.

checkmate.

The impeachment power?

 

[Crossbow]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sonous-un-american/ar-BBIKaKk?ocid=spartandhp

Yet more proof of Trump's disloyalty to the country. Failure to clap for the president is now treasonous? Seriously, you can't support Trump and be a real, loyal American.

How very typical ...

Just the other day during his State of the Union address Trump was calling for bi-partisanship, and now Trump is calling Democrats traitors.

 

[Jungle Jim]

How very typical ...

Just the other day during his State of the Union address Trump was calling for bi-partisanship, and now Trump is calling Democrats traitors.

Apparantly Trump has never watched a State of the Union address. I remember a recent one where a member of the audience called Obama a liar.

 

[Darat]

There is nothing hypocritical about it. One said fundamentally unamerican things and one spoke to core tenets that define every American. Content matters.

What's "unamerican" thing you speak of?

But no authority is being undermined. It is the exact authority outlined.

 

[Darat]

How very typical ...

Just the other day during his State of the Union address Trump was calling for bi-partisanship, and now Trump is calling Democrats traitors.

You forgot to run it through the Trump translator, "bi-partisanship" in Trump speak simply means both sides should praise him.

 

[BobTheCoward]

What's "unamerican" thing you speak of?

I phrased it so both sides can claim the other is the unamerican one.

 

[Darat]

I phrased it so both sides can claim the other is the unamerican one.

That's not an answer to what I asked - what is this "unamerican" thing you speak of?

 

[BobTheCoward]

That's not an answer to what I asked - what is this "unamerican" thing you speak of?

Unamerican is in the eye of the beholder. Any party is free to pick out of a state of the union as unamerican whatever they wish.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

What are you talking about? I Googled subvert before I wrote my post to make sure I used the right words, "undermine the power and authority of (an established system or institution).
"an attempt to subvert democratic government""

If the goal posts are subversion, saying they did not undermine is synonymous.

"Subversion of [our] democracy" is the phrase under discussion. What is being said to be subverted is the democratic process. If your contention now is that the process of democracy has no authority and therefore the word "subvert" can never be correctly applied to it, then you have scored something of an own goal by quoting a dictionary (even if you didn't attribute that quote) which uses almost exactly the same phrase.

Anyway, enough of being Bobbed again.

 

[BobTheCoward]

"Subversion of [our] democracy" is the phrase under discussion. What is being said to be subverted is the democratic process. If your contention now is that the process of democracy has no authority and therefore the word "subvert" can never be correctly applied to it, then you have scored something of an own goal by quoting a dictionary (even if you didn't attribute that quote) which uses almost exactly the same phrase.

Anyway, enough of being Bobbed again.

I didn't argue that. I'm saying democracy puts people into office to use powers such as the power of impeachment. Using that power is not subversion. Nothing about Democracy is undermined by that.

 

[BobTheCoward]

In other words: it's irrelevant to the discussion. Thank you for admitting that.

I wouldn't think to tell anyone what they think should or should not be relevant. Relevance is for the reader to determine based on their values.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I'll take that as a retraction, then. Refrain from posting if you can't support your claims.

I don't understand this notion that right and wrong are some sort of claim that can be asserted and argued to another party.these follow from axioms adopted by a person. By definition they can't be argued. If two parties have different axioms, a claim by one party that they view X as right cannot be viewed as right by the other party.

What am I missing here?

 

[The_Animus]

Looks like many of the initial multi million dollar contacts went to small firms who had no business being awarded the contact.

Previously there was the story about the company hired to fix Puerto Ricos power.

NyTimes reporting a contact for 30 million pounds of food and only 50,000 delivered.

A huge contact for tarps and plastic sheeting and none of it was ever delivered.

At the very least people need to be fired and there needs to be an investigation about improperly awarded contracts.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/06/us/fema-contract-puerto-rico.html

 

[a_unique_person]

I phrased it so both sides can claim the other is the unamerican one.

It all starts to make sense now.



No. It doesn't.

 

[carlvs]

How very typical ...

Just the other day during his State of the Union address Trump was calling for bi-partisanship, and now Trump is calling Democrats traitors.

Well, a certain IL senator - who just happens to be a military veteran, double amputee, and soon-to-be mother - had something to say about that:

"We don't live in a dictatorship or a monarchy. I swore an oath—in the military and in the Senate—to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, not to mindlessly cater to the whims of Cadet Bone Spurs and clap when he demands I clap"

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

This is Hannity, not Trump, but it turns out that you're blaming the wrong person for the fall. It's Obama's fault, of course. Furthermore, the fact that it's crashing is a sign of how strong the economy is now.

Glad we've sorted that out.

 

[carlvs]

This past Sunday, an Indianapolis Colts linebacker & his Uber driver were killed in an accident caused by a drunk driver who just happened to also be a illegal immigrant.

So of course Trump used this incident to rail against the dangers of drinking and driving...

 

[BobTheCoward]

Well, a certain IL senator - who just happens to be a military veteran, double amputee, and soon-to-be mother - had something to say about that:

Democrats probably don't want to jump onto a bandwagon using Americans with health conditions that prevent them from serving in the military as an insult.

 

[Segnosaur]

This past Sunday, an Indianapolis Colts linebacker & his Uber driver were killed in an accident caused by a drunk driver who just happened to also be a illegal immigrant.

So of course Trump used this incident to rail against the dangers of drinking and driving...

Trump, the republicans and the political right-wing after a mass shooting:

"This is not the time to discuss gun control so soon after a tragedy".

Trump, the republicans and the political right-wing after an incident involving illegal immigrants:

"We must act now!"