The Trump Presidency (Act V - The One Where Everybody Dies)

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Skeptic Ginger said:
So if you are going to debate this woman's military knowledge, how about actually debating the facts rather than her combat injury as if that is all she ever accomplished.
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You're the first person to bring up qualifications other than her injuries or her service record. I think if you go back over my posts, you'll see that this is exactly what I've been calling for all along.
 
theprestige said:
And by the same token, Duckworth's service record doesn't make her qualified to lecture me. Or Trump, really. Because, again, the service record is a red herring.
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The one and only topic that anyone, literally, can't lecture trump on is on being a narcissistic bully alpha-male wannabe.

Anybody from any background can lecture him on any topic, even topics they don't personally have any experience in.

For instance, I can lecture him on the military and what it means to be an American even without military experience. My one and only qualification is that I care.

That beats him.
 
theprestige said:
There's no tie to break, and service is not automatically a sign of fitness or qualification. I already have brought up examples of people with service records, who turned out to be unqualified. And an example of someone without a service record, whose qualifications to lecture on military matters are widely recognized.

Again, her service record is a red herring. If I had the choice of a military lecture from someone who had served, or from someone who hadn't served, I'd choose the lecturer who was actually more qualified to speak on the topic.
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Fair enough, but that isn't Donald Trump when compared to, well, almost anyone.
 
NoahFence said:
The one and only topic that anyone, literally, can't lecture trump on is on being a narcissistic bully alpha-male wannabe.
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Actually, one of the symptoms of this kind of personality disorder is a complete lack of insight that he has it. So it's doubtful he has valid expertise on this subject.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You're falling for the GOP talking points which are getting a lot of play on the MSM.
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I really haven't been paying much attention to the MSM. I've been too disgusted. And I don't really see how I am "falling for the GOP talking points" when I don't even know what those are. I am speaking as someone who has followed immigration issues for more than 10 years, and who has known dozens, perhaps hundreds, of young people who may be affected.

Skeptic Ginger said:
DACA could have been addressed at any point. McConnell refuses to let bills come to the floor.
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I never understood why anyone trusted McConnell to facilitate passage of a clean DACA bill. I said that back when the tax cut passed.
 
Minoosh said:
I really haven't been paying much attention to the MSM. I've been too disgusted. And I don't really see how I am "falling for the GOP talking points" when I don't even know what those are.
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You many not be "falling for GOP talking points", but you are certainly echoing their sentiments, for whatever reason..

Earlier you claimed that you "don't blame trump", but then you suggest that getting rid of DACA is a bad thing and that Trump should just bring in another executive order to renew it. Well, that's the thing... it was Trump himself who acted to get rid of it.
I never understood why anyone trusted McConnell to facilitate passage of a clean DACA bill. I said that back when the tax cut passed.
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Nobody should trust McConnell. But, he is the senate Majority leader, and as such a lot of what happens in the house will end up involving him.
 
Segnosaur said:
You many not be "falling for GOP talking points", but you are certainly echoing their sentiments, for whatever reason..
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Because their primary sentiment is "ignore the MSM, pretend like the last year never happened."
 
Trebuchet said:
Trump will simply veto any bill containing DACA.
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When there's something I care about a lot in the news, I paradoxically will stop following the news. I get too frustrated. I'm not sure Trump would veto DACA. IMO the U.S. would gain mightily by regularizing the status of most illegal immigrants, but I get it when people oppose letting them all stay. They made a choice. But their kids didn't.

I can't post effectively on the latest round of political obstructionism. I don't know who's at fault. I don't know why Republicans can't just pass what they please. At some point I'll get informed. Right now I'm just disgusted all over again.
 
Minoosh said:
I really haven't been paying much attention to the MSM. I've been too disgusted. And I don't really see how I am "falling for the GOP talking points" when I don't even know what those are. I am speaking as someone who has followed immigration issues for more than 10 years, and who has known dozens, perhaps hundreds, of young people who may be affected.....
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Following the issues where or how?


It's not personal. The alt-right narrative seeps in through every pore in the country.

Let's look at the issues.
Minoosh said:
Is this the place to say that it's lunacy to tie DACA to a whole bunch of huge issues? This is not Trump's fault.
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It is Trump's fault because he cancelled Obama's DACA executive order in the first place.

Minoosh said:
A clean DACA bill would pass, IMO.
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Of course it would. But neither McConnell nor Ryan will let it come up for a vote. Nothing the Democrats can do about that without political force.

Minoosh said:
I'm sick about how it's been held hostage pending resolution of a whole bunch of other issues.
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Yes, and the question is, why are the Democrats responsible for this?

They aren't. It is however, the GOP and Trump narrative.


Apparently the GOP put another poison pill in the government funding bill to make the Democrats look bad. The military pay. Tell me how this:
In fact, a government shutdown would likely have little impact on members of the military, especially if Congress takes action to minimize the effects as it has in the past. Some civilian employees and contractors could still feel the pinch, however.
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turned into this: Soldiers won't be paid and neither would widowers of soldiers.

Pence said so in his Israeli campaign speech, and a commercial was made claiming the Democrats were trading the rights of service persons for the rights of illegal immigrants. Sarah Suckabee repeated the campaign talking point.

All of that was clearly planned by the GOP legislators and very much purposeful.

When I say you bought the GOP talking point, I'm talking about you believing the Democrats were holding the spending bill hostage without noticing how that POV has been so manipulated.
 
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theprestige said:
Stipulated, without reservation.

But service record still isn't a good proxy for actual qualifications, in my opinion.
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It certainly can be, but I don't know the record of her service, so I won't hang my hat on that.
 
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phiwum said:
It certainly can be, but I don't know the record of her service, so I won't hang my hat on that.
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Her record isn't hard to find:
Ladda Tammy Duckworth (born March 12, 1968) is an American politician and retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel, serving as the junior United States Senator for Illinois since 2017. A member of the Democratic Party, she earlier represented Illinois' 8th district for two terms (2013–2017) in the United States House of Representatives. Before seeking elective office, she served as Assistant Secretary for Public and Intergovernmental Affairs in the United States Department of Veterans Affairs (2009-2011), and she was the Director of the Illinois Department of Veterans Affairs (2006-2009). In the 2016 election, Duckworth defeated incumbent Republican Senator Mark Kirk for the seat in the United States Senate.[2]

Duckworth was the first Asian American woman elected to Congress in Illinois, the first disabled woman to be elected to Congress, and the first member of Congress born in Thailand. Her father, an American, and her Thai mother were working and living there at the time. Duckworth is the second Asian-American woman serving in the U.S. Senate after Mazie Hirono and next to Kamala Harris.

An Iraq War veteran, Duckworth served as a U.S. Army helicopter pilot and suffered severe combat wounds, losing both of her legs and damaging her right arm. She was the first female double amputee from the war.[3] Having received a medical waiver, she continued to serve as a Lieutenant Colonel in the Illinois Army National Guard along with her husband, Major Bryan W. Bowlsbey, a signal officer and fellow Iraq War veteran, until her retirement from the Army in October 2014.[4]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Duckworth
 
Daft Taft's fans are getting dangerous.


A Michigan man was arrested after an FBI investigation, accused of threatening to travel to Atlanta to commit mass murder at CNN headquarters.

According to federal court documents, the man, from a Detroit suburb, made 22 calls to CNN about a week ago.
It began with claims of "fake news" and ended with threats of violence.

The man told a CNN operator, among other things, "Fake news. I'm coming to gun you all down."

He then called again, saying "I'm smarter than you. More powerful than you.

I have more guns than you. More manpower. Your cast is about to get gunned down in a matter of hours."

He continued, "I am coming to Georgia right now to go to the CNN headquarters to ********** gun every single last one of you."
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A Trumpite threatening to do to CNN what some Mohammedans did in Paris at Charlie Hebdo... And the Trumper loons would fail to see the parallels.

By number of incidents and individuals involved, good ol' Murican home-grown terrorism in the US by far outstrips all foreign-imported terrorism.
 
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