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Bitcoin - Part 2

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The only reason you insist on comparing bitcoin to tulip bulbs is because tulips crashed.

Other than that, you might as well be comparing bitcoin to pink unicorns. The tulip mania was all about placing orders for bulbs that hadn't even been grown yet. There is absolutely no similarity between that and bitcoin whatsoever. Blockchain technology is set to be the way of the future and crypto currencies are just a small part of it.


The comparison is the speculative investment that skyrockets without people knowing the basics of why the price is rising. I have seen no such investments in pink unicorns. How about a cryptocurrency called PinkUnicoin?

Blockchain is a novel and probably useful technology. Bitcoin is an interesting but impractical application of that technology.
 
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Is that bad? It's not fraud if you know how the scheme works and know the risks.


Are you are person that subscribes to the mantra "It is not a crime until you get get convicted"?

I am sure Bernie Madoff was well aware of how his scheme worked and the risks. And no doubt many of his investors did also. Why then was he convicted of fraud?
 
Are you are person that subscribes to the mantra "It is not a crime until you get get convicted"?
Why should that particular pyramid scheme be labeled a crime in the first place? It just seems so arbitrary to me.

I am sure Bernie Madoff was well aware of how his scheme worked and the risks. And no doubt many of his investors did also. Why then was he convicted of fraud?
Err.. because Bernie Madoff didn't tell his investors that he was running a ponzi scheme? (Maybe you need to research the definition of "fraud").
 
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The fact that no one has created a crypto-currency called "Tulip" yet makes me weep for this species.
 
The only reason you insist on comparing bitcoin to tulip bulbs is because tulips crashed.

Other than that, you might as well be comparing bitcoin to pink unicorns. The tulip mania was all about placing orders for bulbs that hadn't even been grown yet. There is absolutely no similarity between that and bitcoin whatsoever. Blockchain technology is set to be the way of the future and crypto currencies are just a small part of it.
Tulips were the flowers of the future in 1637. Railways were the transport mode of the future in 1845. Joint stock companies were the trading organisations of the future in 1720. They all bubbled and crashed. I'm not saying that blockchain will crash, and vanish as a technology; I'm saying that Bitcoin will crash. I'm not saying that joint stock companies disappeared in 1720. I'm saying that the South Sea Company bubbled and popped. Its shareholders lost their money, and its directors were indicted and sanctioned, crooks that they were.
 
Tulips were the flowers of the future in 1637. Railways were the transport mode of the future in 1845. Joint stock companies were the trading organisations of the future in 1720. They all bubbled and crashed. I'm not saying that blockchain will crash, and vanish as a technology; I'm saying that Bitcoin will crash. I'm not saying that joint stock companies disappeared in 1720. I'm saying that the South Sea Company bubbled and popped. Its shareholders lost their money, and its directors were indicted and sanctioned, crooks that they were.

It just seems like a technology in search of a utility. These are all being treated as commodities with no inherent worth just speculation value. I think that bitcoin will stay around for a very long time, I just think that it is also over valued and will crash at some point.
 
Tulips were the flowers of the future in 1637. Railways were the transport mode of the future in 1845. Joint stock companies were the trading organisations of the future in 1720. They all bubbled and crashed. I'm not saying that blockchain will crash, and vanish as a technology; I'm saying that Bitcoin will crash. I'm not saying that joint stock companies disappeared in 1720. I'm saying that the South Sea Company bubbled and popped. Its shareholders lost their money, and its directors were indicted and sanctioned, crooks that they were.
How does any of that have anything to do with bitcoin? Bitcoin is totally unique. There is no comparison with any past investment - successful or otherwise.
 
How does any of that have anything to do with bitcoin? Bitcoin is totally unique. There is no comparison with any past investment - successful or otherwise.
Unless you have evidence to justify that, here is why I won't accept it. Bitcoin is bought and sold, by people who intend to secure capital gains from trading in it. That has plenty of "comparison with past investment". You're like some Bible thumper: my holy book is totally unlike any other book. There's no comparison. Well, show us why.
 
Unless you have evidence to justify that, here is why I won't accept it. Bitcoin is bought and sold, by people who intend to secure capital gains from trading in it. That has plenty of "comparison with past investment". You're like some Bible thumper: my holy book is totally unlike any other book. There's no comparison. Well, show us why.

Ah but unlike things it the past it has no actual utility or use to limit its growth in value! Fundamentally there is a limit to railroads, or any other past venture, but as bitcoin has not utility to act as a basis for its value it can grow forever!
 
Ah but unlike things it the past it has no actual utility or use to limit its growth in value! Fundamentally there is a limit to railroads, or any other past venture, but as bitcoin has not utility to act as a basis for its value it can grow forever!
Apparently there are about 1000 cryptos you can buy.
What is the barrier to entry into this game?
How is bitcoin different to all the others?
 
Unless you have evidence to justify that, here is why I won't accept it. Bitcoin is bought and sold, by people who intend to secure capital gains from trading in it.
And yet in almost 500 years of history you can only find 3 examples where investments of that sort of investment that ended up badly. You can't say "ergo bitcoin" because you need more similarities that just people put a lot of money into them. You need to do a point by point comparison with each individual example and show that bitcoin is matching these points exactly.
 
And yet in almost 500 years of history you can only find 3 examples where investments of that sort of investment that ended up badly. You can't say "ergo bitcoin" because you need more similarities that just people put a lot of money into them. You need to do a point by point comparison with each individual example and show that bitcoin is matching these points exactly.

How many can you find that ended well?
 
You need to do a point by point comparison with each individual example and show that bitcoin is matching these points exactly.
No I don't need to do anything like that, because your claim is that
Bitcoin is totally unique. There is no comparison with any past investment - successful or otherwise.​
Therefore if I can show a single point in common between BTC and any one other bubble I will have proved you wrong.
 
No I don't need to do anything like that, because your claim is that
Bitcoin is totally unique. There is no comparison with any past investment - successful or otherwise.​
Therefore if I can show a single point in common between BTC and any one other bubble I will have proved you wrong.
Hmmph! I knew you wouldn't be able to do it.
 
cryptocurrencies are Paradigm changing.

If you are applying the old rules of economics then you really have to keep up.
The old way isn't going to work the way you want it to anymore.

That's the mistake that is being made.
 
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Hmmph! I knew you wouldn't be able to do it.
That's why bubbles are often created from impressive new technologies. The promoters have a convincing selling point: there's never in the past been anything like these ... railways, interncontinental trading organisations, internet, tulips ... whatever is being marketed. And that is often perfectly true. So, they say this time it's different. It will go up and up, and never come back down.

But it will. The basic laws of nature, let alone economics, have not been abrogated by the new technology, whatever it is.

What does your post mean, by the way? It looks silly. Like a peurile schoolyard taunt, rather than a considered comment.
 
That's why bubbles are often created from impressive new technologies. The promoters have a convincing selling point: there's never in the past been anything like these ... railways, interncontinental trading organisations, internet, tulips ... whatever is being marketed.
So what? Most businesses fail in their first year operation. The extreme examples that you cherry picked failed because ultimately they were based on contracts that would become unfulfillable. In the case of the tulip mania the problem was offering massive amounts of money for tulips that hadn't been grown yet. In the case of the company stocks that you cherry picked, the company couldn't match the hype and so failed.

Bitcoin is neither a business nor a contract. It is like stamp collecting. You either buy it, sell it or do neither. Those invested in bitcoin are not going to ditch them any more than stamp collectors will burn their stamps.
 
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