Cont: The Trump Presidency Part IV

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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
As said above - if Trump is suing him for violation of an NDA, then doesn't that rather imply that it's true? If he's lying then he's not disclosing anything.
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Trump lawyers regularly throw everything at the wall. The letter included both NDA violation and defamation.

Also, I didn't claim everything was a lie.

ETA: can you violate an NDA with lies?
 
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Looks like 2018 is going to be a fun year after all with the Alt right Suicide Of the Republicans in full swing.
 
BobTheCoward said:
As much as it pains me, the white house is probably right about the bannon book being made up. It would be bizarre if bannon chose to be fastidious now.
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The author was embedded in the White House. He had many sources, not just Bannon.

You can put your pain on hold until you absorb certain fundamental facts, e.g. who wrote the book.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
No evidence of fraud but it is there, it's the states involved that are to blame for not providing evidence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/us/politics/trump-voter-fraud-commission.html

In fact, no state has uncovered significant evidence to support the president’s claim, and election officials, including many Republicans, have strongly rejected it.
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I’m proud my state told that hyena Kobach to go pound sand.

(I apologize to hyenas for the comparison to that rotten little Klansman.)
 
BobTheCoward said:
Trump lawyers regularly throw everything at the wall. The letter included both NDA violation and defamation.
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Well, I mean, he's obviously trying to wave his big nuclear button around. He's got no leg to stand on, as NDAs cannot protect criminal activity. If Bannon is talking about criminal activity, then no contract could prevent him from speaking about it. And, AIUI, NDAs cannot apply to government work carried out by government officials, as Bannon was at the time.

To be able to sue for defamation Trump would have to prove that the things Bannon has said are not true. He's just trying to frighten Bannon and anybody else who might be thinking about leaking anything.

But, yeah, NDAs prohibit people from disclosing information. They don't prohibit people from making things up.
 
varwoche said:
The author was embedded in the White House. He had many sources, not just Bannon.

You can put your pain on hold until you absorb certain fundamental facts, e.g. who wrote the book.
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And I share Nate Silver's assessment of this

Obviously not breaking any news here but people are a little too willing to take the claims of known ********ters at face value when it suits their political purposes.
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One thing you can count on for me, neither party in this country suits my political purposes.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
But, yeah, NDAs prohibit people from disclosing information. They don't prohibit people from making things up.
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Can you provide a citation for this? Is it true that if I lie about my activities, claiming they are true, and the lies relate to my activity under NDA, that I am not violating NDA?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Well, I mean, he's obviously trying to wave his big nuclear button around. He's got no leg to stand on, as NDAs cannot protect criminal activity. If Bannon is talking about criminal activity, then no contract could prevent him from speaking about it. And, AIUI, NDAs cannot apply to government work carried out by government officials, as Bannon was at the time.

To be able to sue for defamation Trump would have to prove that the things Bannon has said are not true. He's just trying to frighten Bannon and anybody else who might be thinking about leaking anything.

But, yeah, NDAs prohibit people from disclosing information. They don't prohibit people from making things up.
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This isn't just about the NDA with the Trump Organization. From the Washington Post:

Bannon’s comments to the writer “give rise to numerous legal claims including defamation by libel and slander, and breach of his written confidentiality and non-disparagement agreement with our clients,” Trump’s lawyer wrote in the letter. “Legal action is imminent.”
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So the lawsuit does *not* imply that the lawyers accept that Bannon has been telling the truth.
 
President Trump must be doing something right.

According to Gallup (yes I know they are flawed, but find me a better source that produces weekly figures split by party affiliation and I'll use it) his approval rating (39%) is higher now than at any point in the last 6 months, his approval rating among Republicans has risen from 77% to 82% in two weeks, among independents from 31% to 34% and even among Democrats from 7% to 9% in that same period.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

It seems odd to me, but it seems that getting an allegedly wildly unpopular tax bill passed has improved his approval rating significantly :confused:

  • Is the tax bill actually far more popular than we have been led to believe ?
  • Do people in the US approve of politicians who get things done, even if they are things they don't want ?
 
The "Deep State" is an alleged entity that coordinates efforts by government employees and others to influence state policy without regard for democratically elected leadership.

Eric Trump thinks Ellen Degeneres is part of the Deep State.
 
varwoche said:
Said lawyers would need to see the NDA in order to render their expertise. They are legal experts, not acronym experts.
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They can answer many questions about this without having a specific NDA. Does it come up? Is there any case history on this question? Is there any laws dealing with this? And so on.

We don't even know if it would be something that has to be explicitly stated in an NDA. If it does not, then it wouldn't be necessary for the NDA to contain it, and having a specific NDA in question doesn't inform the answer.
 
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