Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

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Those are some really disgusting comments under the DailyFail article. I guess they prove the point.
My fave: "Only a true demon would deny that she is a demon."

ROTFLMAO! That makes about as much sense as "Only a guilty person would claim they are innocent".

Daily Mail readers are not the brightest bulbs. Otherwise, they wouldn't be reading the DM online. But I guess they have to find out what celebrity is allegedly sleeping with whom, what the Kardashians are up to, etc.
 
When I read that Amanda will be hosting a tv show, I had to stop by just to see our favorite ISF member go apoplectic.
 
The majority of the comments are not opinions, rather they are false statements.

To be picky: All of the comments that I read that had any concrete information included guilt-biased false statements. The others that did not have concrete information were guilt-biased opinions and these opinions may have out-numbered the concrete statements.
 
To be picky: All of the comments that I read that had any concrete information included guilt-biased false statements. The others that did not have concrete information were guilt-biased opinions and these opinions may have out-numbered the concrete statements.

Did the "mixed blood" factoid get resurrected?

Did the "Knox cleaned the victim's blood from her hands" factoid get mentioned? Did the factoidmeister include that the very first court in 2009 posited that, while admitting there had been no evidence to support it?

Did the factoid that a Section 530.2 acquittal wasn't really an acquittal get a mention?

And on and on and on, one more time around the nutter merry-go-round. I bet "sex on a train" got mentioned. May as well.

The coming TV show about how women are victimized in the media is going to have a lot of content to work with!
 
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Fast Pete at TJMK is at it again:
Breaking news. VICE Media have apparently hired the mother of all demonizers. For what? To compere a program about demonizers! Statute of limitations on demonizing Knox book still has several years to run. Sollecito has conceded in court his own book lied and demonized.

I doubt that Fast Pete and other TJMKers recognize the irony and hypocrisy in calling Knox the "mother of all demonizers" when they have consistently demonized Knox for the last 9+ years.
It's remarkable, yet classic TJMK, that not a single media report backs up the claim that "Sollecito has conceded in court his own book lied and demonized" but yet they blatantly lie about it. Does anyone with more than half a brain believe something that significant would not have been reported in the media?
 
Fast Pete at TJMK is at it again:

Breaking news. VICE Media have apparently hired the mother of all demonizers. For what? To compere a program about demonizers! Statute of limitations on demonizing Knox book still has several years to run. Sollecito has conceded in court his own book lied and demonized.
I doubt that Fast Pete and other TJMKers recognize the irony and hypocrisy in calling Knox the "mother of all demonizers" when they have consistently demonized Knox for the last 9+ years.It's remarkable, yet classic TJMK, that not a single media report backs up the claim that "Sollecito has conceded in court his own book lied and demonized" but yet they blatantly lie about it. Does anyone with more than half a brain believe something that significant would not have been reported in the media?

It's hard to know if the term "liar" applies to Pete. Certainly "fantasist" applies.

Also "strategist" seems to have eluded him - one look at his website reveals the material that Knox can use on the program. Death threats. Ad hominem heaped on family and supporters.

Perhaps this is a trap set by the PR Firm Gogerty-Marriott, who needs to goad more proof out of the nutters that people (particularly women) are demonized on the internet. Pete is obliging!
 
It's hard to know if the term "liar" applies to Pete. Certainly "fantasist" applies.

Also "strategist" seems to have eluded him - one look at his website reveals the material that Knox can use on the program. Death threats. Ad hominem heaped on family and supporters.

Perhaps this is a trap set by the PR Firm Gogerty-Marriott, who needs to goad more proof out of the nutters that people (particularly women) are demonized on the internet. Pete is obliging!

Well, and now Amanda can add Martha Duncan to her list of interviewees as they have now taken up demonizing her as well.
 
It's hard to know if the term "liar" applies to Pete. Certainly "fantasist" applies.

Also "strategist" seems to have eluded him - one look at his website reveals the material that Knox can use on the program. Death threats. Ad hominem heaped on family and supporters.

Perhaps this is a trap set by the PR Firm Gogerty-Marriott, who needs to goad more proof out of the nutters that people (particularly women) are demonized on the internet. Pete is obliging!

"Liar" is the appropriate word as Fast Pete has claimed that Raff has "conceded in court" that he lied and demonized in his book. Nowhere in court (or anywhere else) has Raff done so. If he had, the Italian media, would certainly have reported such a concession. Pete knows nothing of the sort has been reported by anyone unless Pete has completely lost connection with any reality.
 
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Amanda aside, I really like the idea for this show. They gave it a great name. I hope they do it well.
 
"Liar" is the appropriate word as Fast Pete has claimed that Raff has "conceded in court" that he lied and demonized in his book. Nowhere in court (or anywhere else) has Raff done so. If he had, the Italian media, would certainly have reported such a concession. Pete knows nothing of the sort has been reported by anyone unless Pete has completely lost connection with any reality.

You say that as if there was some doubt about it? Remember, Pete's the one who has told us that Mignini actually won the calunnia trial and that Raffaele and Gumbel will be apologizing 'any day now'. This guy hasn't had all his lug nuts tightened for some time.
 
There have been questions about the ECHR, CoM, and CoE procedures that are engaged if a member state of the CoE does not follow a final judgment of the ECHR and does not positively respond to the supervisory role of the CoM in the execution of the ECHR judgment.

The relevance is that if and when the ECHR issues a final judgment against Italy, finding a violation of Article 6, in the case of Knox v. Italy, Italy, a founding member of the CoE, under its solemn treaty obligations and Italian law (Constitutional Court judgment no. 113 of 2011) will be required to allow review of a request for a revision trial for Knox's conviction of calunnia against Lumumba. The question arises: what happens if Italy does not follow through on its treaty obligations and its own law?

A case of this type - where a state does not follow through on its solemn treaty obligation and apparently refuses to comply with a final ECHR judgment - has just been announced by the ECHR. A case before the ECHR against the CoE member state, Azerbaijan, has been launched by the CoM alleging that Azerbaijan has violated Article 46.4 of the Convention. This article requires that the member states follow the final judgments of the ECHR. The procedures and potential judgment in this case, being relatively new, will set some precedents.

Here is the text of the ECHR press release:

"New infringement procedure used for first time over 2014 judgment against
Azerbaijan on opposition politician Mammadov

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) is to examine whether Azerbaijan has refused to abide by the ECHR’s judgment in the case of imprisoned opposition politician Ilgar Mammadov, the first use of a new infringement procedure.

The procedure was introduced into the European Convention on Human Rights in 2010 and allows the Committee of Ministers, which has the responsibility under the Convention for supervising the execution of the Court’s judgments, to refer a question to the ECHR about whether a country has refused to abide by a final judgment.

The Committee decided on 5 December 2017 to launch the proceedings against Azerbaijan owing to the authorities’ persistent refusal to ensure Mr Mammadov’s unconditional release following the ECHR’s 2014 finding of multiple violations of his rights. The ECHR received the formal request from the Committee on 11 December.

The procedure will be before the ECHR’s Grand Chamber.

Mr Mammadov, born in 1970, was arrested and placed in detention in 2013 following protests in the town of Ismayilli. He is currently serving a seven-year prison sentence following his conviction in 2014 of mass disorder and violence against public officials.

The ECHR found in 2014 that Mr Mammadov had been arrested and detained without any evidence to reasonably suspect him of having committed a criminal offence and concluding that the actual purpose of his detention had been to silence or punish him for criticising the Government. It found violations of Article 5 §§ 1 and 4 (right to liberty and security), Article 6 § 2 (right to the presumption of innocence), and Article 18 (limitation on use of restrictions on rights) of the European Convention.

The Committee of Ministers has launched the infringement proceedings under paragraph 4 of Article 46 (binding force and enforcement of judgments) of the Convention. The Article allows the Committee to refer a question to the ECHR as to whether a country has failed to abide by an ECHR judgment. The Committee first has to serve formal notice on the country concerned, which it did in this case in October, and then adopt a referral decision by a two-thirds majority.

The ECHR will consider the question as a Grand Chamber, its highest judicial formation. The Committee of Ministers and the parties concerned will be able to submit written comments in accordance with a deadline set by the President of the Grand Chamber. The Grand Chamber might also decide to hold a hearing.
If the Grand Chamber finds a violation because Azerbaijan has failed to abide by the ECHR’s judgment of 2014 in the case, it will refer the case back to the Committee of Ministers for consideration of the measures to be taken. A finding of no violation also leads to the case being referred back to the Committee of Ministers, which then closes its examination."
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Abbreviations: ECHR = European Court of Human Rights; CoM = Committee of Ministers, aka the Committee; CoE = Council of Europe; the Convention, aka the European Convention = the European Convention on Human Rights, aka most formally as The Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms.
 
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Well, and now Amanda can add Martha Duncan to her list of interviewees as they have now taken up demonizing her as well.

Is there an expert who the nutters have not demonized? By that I mean, that they respect but in this case simply say that the expert got it wrong?

Why is it that they seem to always go the "he/she's a paid shill" route?
 
Perhaps you missed the whole point of the analogy. Let me dummy it down to crayon level... you are claiming you should not be found guilty of something that you admit you did because it was done as a result of actions by others.

Did you really think a MENSA member or any PGP would get the analogy? Using logic is not their strength.
 
Is there an expert who the nutters have not demonized? By that I mean, that they respect but in this case simply say that the expert got it wrong?

Why is it that they seem to always go the "he/she's a paid shill" route?

This is what makes what Quennell posted on TJMK so disgustingly hypocritical. They are blind to their own constant demonization of anyone who dares speak out in support of innocence. It's pathetic.
On the other hand, who has Knox demonized? No one. Claiming Ficarra smacked her on the back of the head is not demonizing her. Describing the police's treatment of her during her interrogation is not demonizing them. Knox has not even demonized Mignini.
 
Is there an expert who the nutters have not demonized? By that I mean, that they respect but in this case simply say that the expert got it wrong?

Why is it that they seem to always go the "he/she's a paid shill" route?

If the case against Amanda and Raffaele was such a slam dunk, how do the loonies on TJMK explain the amount of support Amanda and Raffaele have received.
 
If the case against Amanda and Raffaele was such a slam dunk, how do the loonies on TJMK explain the amount of support Amanda and Raffaele have received.

It's a good question. I once saw Harry Rag briefly express a glimmer of lucidity when he questioned why she's getting all this professional esteemed support from what in his eyes is unequivocally a female Ted Bundy.

There's a wall of self delusion that surrounds the PGP and the final acquittal shattered it for the vast majority. That's why their numbers shrunk to nothing and some of the blogs/forums shut down. Not to say they suddenly realized she was innocent all along, but they accepted on some level the case and the system pursuing it had flaws and it was time to move on.
 
There's a wall of self delusion that surrounds the PGP and the final acquittal shattered it for the vast majority. That's why their numbers shrunk to nothing and some of the blogs/forums shut down. Not to say they suddenly realized she was innocent all along, but they accepted on some level the case and the system pursuing it had flaws and it was time to move on.
I was about to post that there is no un-overturned judicial basis in Italy to undergird what remains of this English language campaign to vilify Knox; while seemingly ignoring Sollecito and minimizing Rudy's clear culpability.

Yet the courts in denying Sollecito's compensation claim have thrown the English language nutters a lifeline.

That's where it sits. They simply ignore that Mignini has recently been embarassed.
 
I was about to post that there is no un-overturned judicial basis in Italy to undergird what remains of this English language campaign to vilify Knox; while seemingly ignoring Sollecito and minimizing Rudy's clear culpability.

Yet the courts in denying Sollecito's compensation claim have thrown the English language nutters a lifeline.

That's where it sits. They simply ignore that Mignini has recently been embarassed.

No, they don't ignore it; they twist it into a victory for him by claiming that there is a forthcoming apology and admittance of guilt from RS and AG.
 
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