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Gratitude, Compulsion, Idiocy or Nobility?
- Thread starter Kumar
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Mojo
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Kumar has finally realised that he has once again had his arse handed to him, and has retreated into incoherence and nonsensical platitudes.
Nothing relevant to topic. Ignore.
Mojo
Mostly harmless
To puzzle her.
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
I've missed a couple of days here, on a trip, and probably will have been "nija'ed" by Jay by now, but common logic is something you certainly have not demonstrated a knowledge of. It is inherent in science that it can never be "A&F" and it is certainly not degrading to say so. The only thing that can be truly "A&F" is faith, because it ignores the complexity of reality and makes things up.
Peregrinus
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Fifty-some pages in and you've completely lost sight of the fact that others continually, fruitlessly try pointing out your view of almost everything does not match reality or any rational explanation of reality. You chase your A&F tail in endless circles and the only thing you accomplish is wearing a slight depression in the floor like Uncle Scrooge McDuck in his worry room.
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
By the way, not 100 percent relevant to the current discussion, but I was reading today a little biographical information about the great logician George Boole (on whose logical principles much of computer science relies), and I found it particularly ironic that he was killed by homeopathy.
fagin
Philosopher
Being rude to someone who has been patient and helpful is nasty.
Is that part of your religion, or did you fail at that too?
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
We aren't talking about whether we're right to refute it. We're talking about whether he was right to write it in the first place. Please stop trying to talk about everything except the one person I'm asking about.
Mojo
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MRC_Hans
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OK, and since humans know of nothing absolute and final, you have no area of expertise, and according to yourself cannot comment on anything. Well, I can only agree. Bye, then.
Hans
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
Well, let's see, since I posted my comprehensive refutation of Bhagchandra, you've posted only two links, neither of which is a "google search link." One of them, here
was addressed in this post. The other, here in part
Its relevance to my refutation was not made apparent. If anything, as your other critics have amply noted, it outlines just how poorly you yourself obey Jain codes of conduct. As I tried to draw you back to answering the refutation, you threw a tantrum and told me you wouldn't be paying any further attention to me. So you can effectively stuff your insults above, where you suggest I didn't respond to that link because of laziness or ego.
It wasn't until much later that you told us the second link was relevant in explaining why you could not respond to my refutation of Bhagchandra without apparently violating your religious principles. My answer to that now remains the same as it was before: it doesn't matter what excuse you want to give for not addressing your critics. Regardless of reason, you still don't get to reap the benefits you would have gained by addressed them. If, for whatever reason, you decline to continue the debate, then the refutation stands unanswered and you don't get credit for what you claim you would have been able to do, but didn't.
Further, I simply don't believe you on that point. Twice now in this debate you've broached a subject and then, when it went badly for you, you tried to backpedal away from it, citing some circumstance beyond your control. I have a hard time believing that all these externalities are to blame for you being unable to finish what you start.
Simply accept all sides are not A&F so all sides do not have perfect expertise, so just discuss in these considerations.
Simply Bhagchandra posted gross interpretation of science relevance with Jainism and you just gross refutation in irrational skepticism. Being religious & believer, I done my duty to present religion & belief but being science person you have not done your duty to present, also positive scientific side of Jainism. Nothing can be with nil science in your superiority or preception. Being yet not A&F, Yet known or unknown is different angle. Rational Skepticism and bringing facts to A&F level can not suggest one sidedness. Hence just do you duty as scientist and present positive scientific side of Jainsism. For this intention, I posted various links on Jainism because it is new to you. One point, I clarified but anyway it was avoided by you.
Life like humans in plants do not mean, plants are like humans, but they just have life as humans have being beings. Jainism clearly differentiated different type of beings from one sense to five sense whereas plants are one sensed whereas humans are five sensed. Unless you acquire equanimious & rational unbiased attitude, I shall not get initiation to take your post very seriously. Moreover, as in my reply to MR hans, first accept by heart this truth that, no side is yet A&F and so no side can have A&F expertise in anything. We can just discuss by considering these in an true effort to get something better or A&F.
As per my last post. We can limit be consolidating all posts in one post for not to get overloaded, get confused, miss posts and ignore other posters.
That was just rhetoric reply.
In irrational ego, preceptions & self interests, even irrational one can be counted as abnormal whereas 50 as normal and rightful. Fault of prevailing current environment.
In above, we can add beings taken in natural way without deception i.e. picking fruits, dead and superfluous parts, nectar, smell, beauty, honey drops, wild silk, cotton etc. i.e without undue violence esp generation violence.
Above "Deception" is relevant towards botanical side, now also towards zoological side : When we purposefully domesticate,cage or farm animal for any personal ultimate benefits in mind, nurse & protect them or also love them, enjoy looking growing them but suddenly on any black day slaughter them or use for any other violence purpose, will it not be a "Deception" i.e. first present yourself to them alike parent, god father, guardian or companion but ultimately suddenly create a most BLACK DAY for them? There may not be a deception involved in taking milk or other dead and superfluous things of them, as well in natural hunting but in former it may be. ??