Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And There’s Nothing Funny

The Big Dog said:
Uh huh, she needed to post nsfw pictures to show whe would have had been groped before and was inconsistent, or some contemptible ********.

And the fact you disagree with me makes me lying?

The fact that she has a terrible excuse to post slut shaming pictures and claiming her work history and looks makes her a target for groping does not mean she was not being slut shamed.

Blatant obvious slut shaming. Not sure how you are missing this.

Although I get a kick out of the fact That you disagree with me makes me “lying.” Oh brother.

Post some bikini pictures. They are “relevant.”
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I tell you why the google image search results are relevant:

Prior to tonight, I had never heard of Mrs. Tweeden. I read early tonight that she had been on the covers of FHM and Playboy magazines, but figured she is mostly a TV personality who also does photo shoots from time to time.

Turns out my perspective was a bit off. How did I find out? By googling her name and seeing the pictures that came up: the public image, literally, of Tweeden is that of a pretty face with a sexy body showing lots of skin in racy lingerie.

There is no shame in that! Unless YOU find it shameful.

However it could be taken as an indication that Tweeden would most likely not be a stranger to being abused by men who cannot distinguish public image from personal integrity. Would you agree she is more likely to experience being made the object of "locker room" abuse with some frequency than women with a less racy body of images in the public realm? Or at least acknowledge that such an assumption is not entirely incomprehensible? Again, this is neither defense of such abuse nor a judgement on Mrs. Tweeden, it is merely an estimation of likelihood of exposure.
 
logger said:
So you’re admitting that you were wrong?

I can agree that clubs don’t call the cops, but if they did, the offender would be charged.
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Except that in the only US case I found (which sorry you got in too fast before I added it in edit) they didn't charge him even though they had the testimony of the bouncers, because, they claimed, they couldn't locate the victim. So no, just because they are called doesn't mean they will charge.

Now yes if the victim made a big enough stink about it and demanded that the Police do something, I would expect they would charge, I also would not be surprised to see it just go away quietly with a small fine or a warning at the most.

The fact remains that men think that this sort of behaviour, and more, is acceptable, and continue to do it without hesitation or remorse, and it's unacceptable. Whether he touched her or not, I think he needs to step down, because his behaviour was unacceptable in a leader.

And so was Moore's and Trump's and apparently a heap more if this multi million dollar fund to pay out claims is true. They all need to go, the lot of them, Rep, Dem, it doesn't matter what Letter they have, they need to be gone and if they are in a current elected position, then let's have the Voters decide their fates.
 
Oystein said:
I tell you why the google image search results are relevant:

Prior to tonight, I had never heard of Mrs. Tweeden. I read early tonight that she had been on the covers of FHM and Playboy magazines, but figured she is mostly a TV personality who also does photo shoots from time to time.

Turns out my perspective was a bit off. How did I find out? By googling her name and seeing the pictures that came up: the public image, literally, of Tweeden is that of a pretty face with a sexy body showing lots of skin in racy lingerie.

There is no shame in that! Unless YOU find it shameful.

However it could be taken as an indication that Tweeden would most likely not be a stranger to being abused by men who cannot distinguish public image from personal integrity. Would you agree she is more likely to experience being made the object of "locker room" abuse with some frequency than women with a less racy body of images in the public realm? Or at least acknowledge that such an assumption is not entirely incomprehensible? Again, this is neither defense of such abuse nor a judgement on Mrs. Tweeden, it is merely an estimation of likelihood of exposure.
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:eye-poppi

This is absolutely the finest description of slut shaming one will ever see.

Nothing in this post has anything to do with Franken’s conduct at all. It is a blatant attack on the accuser. She is hot, she likely was groped before, and?

And nothing, the whole argument is appalling.
 
Oystein said:
While I think that Ginger's arguments are biased and kinda miss the mark, you keep misconstruing them badly.

Ginger certainly did not shame Tweeden by referencing her well-known career in being a sexy model, as in "shame on the victim, she had it coming".

The argument is rather this: Although it is wrong, it is very likely that Tweeden has experienced a number of sexual harrassments and perhaps even assaults in her life - and very likely more than many other women her age because she is a sexy model and many men perceive her as a pin-up more than as a human being with dignity. And therefore, Ginger seems to question why Tweeden has come out to complain about Al Franken, but not about any other instances of having beem harrassed.
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Exactly, thank you, even if we disagree on some of the rest.

Oystein said:
Again, I don't think that argument hits a worthy mark (there may be many reasons - perhaps there really were no other incidence worth telling; perhaps no other incidents involving significant leaders; perhaps Tweeden is only starting to come to terms with past incidents, and more will come out soon), but it is a different argument from what you have mocked, maliciously, in several posts.
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That's a lot of hypothetical there. How does that differ from Franken was making a stupid joke and the skit didn't hit the mark but Tweeden has seriously exaggerated the incident?
 
Franken sticking his tongue in the victim’s mouth was not part of a skit.

But she does have a mouth, here are some nsfw pictures to prove she has a mouth:

Nsfw pictures of the accuser with her mouth;
 
Can we not distinguish between a guy who realizes he was a jerk when he was younger or even a couple years ago and Louis CK claiming he didn't know masturbating in front of women bothered them?

Is a picture of a pretend grope (and it is clearly a fake grope) the same as cornering a woman and actually groping her?


As for Franken's apology, anyone remember PZ Meyer's change of heart re his past behavior? Seems similar to me.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Can we not distinguish between a guy who realizes he was a jerk when he was younger or even a couple years ago and Louis CK claiming he didn't know masturbating in front of women bothered them?

Is a picture of a pretend grope (and it is clearly a fake grope) the same as cornering a woman and actually groping her?
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Yeah, What about Louis C.K?

:rolleyes:
 
logger said:
No actually you didn’t say that. You minimized it by strangely saying “he knows he did something” even Franken would not have said it like that.

I can imagine Franken saying, “gee I know I did something”
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Your interpretation of what I said seems to indicate you don't understand how humans communicate or use words.

I didn't minimize anything and my posts speak for themselves.
 
PhantomWolf said:
They all need to go, the lot of them, Rep, Dem, it doesn't matter what Letter they have, they need to be gone and if they are in a current elected position, then let's have the Voters decide their fates.
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Are you talking about special elections, or just the normal one that would roll around every 6 years?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Not everyone is saying boy on boy jokes are OK, I'm not. But honestly that photo is a non-grope grope. It's not like it was akin to the Steubenville videos.
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Don't try to soft-peddle it. When I saw it, I threw up in my mouth a little: a lech reaching for an unconscious woman's breasts with a leering grin? Disgusting. I lost all respect for Franken.

The victim says she believes his apology. Perhaps he could get off with censure and a pledge to retire at the end of his term. I wouldn't mind letting the woman choose his punishment. If no one else comes forward, we can say maybe this was a one-off of bad behavior. If there's other accusers, Franken needs to go.
 
logger said:
I don’t think you can say for sure he wasn’t touching.
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That's not the way it works, if you want to go legal then it's up to you to show that he was touching. I believe there is a lot of doubt to that.
 
The Big Dog said:
:eye-poppi

This is absolutely the finest description of slut shaming one will ever see.

Nothing in this post has anything to do with Franken’s conduct at all. It is a blatant attack on the accuser. She is hot, she likely was groped before, and?

And nothing, the whole argument is appalling.
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If you see a slut in those images, I think that is your true problem here.

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Edited for Rule 12.
 
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