Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories V: Five for Fighting

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MicahJava said:
They were interviewed for the book...
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So it's hearsay.



MicahJava said:
and their experiences directly affects the autopsy examination/morticians restoration timeline in a way that is not hearsay.
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Say what? That doesn't even make sense. Their experiences are their experiences. Their recollections of their experiences, related to an author and published in a book, is still hearsay and still recollections.

Neither of which should instill great confidence in anyone in the accuracy of the statements.

Hank
 
MicahJava said:
If the bullets did not end up in Kennedy's body, in this scenario they would have fallen into the limousine to be lost or stolen.
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So still missing fragments or a missing bullet, right?

MISSING BULLET (OR FRAGMENTS) #2

Are you done getting your head beat in with your own silly arguments yet?


MicahJava said:
The limousine is a notoriously neglected piece of forensic evidence.
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No, it was searched that evening and two large fragments were found in the limousine that were directly traceable to Oswald's weapon to the exclusion of all the other weapons in the world.

If it was so 'notoriously neglected', it is curious it yielded that evidence, isn't it?

Hank
 
The CONTEMPORANEOUS RECORD states that the casket was delivered to the morgue at 2 AM. The Gawler's team always said the autopsy was still in progress when the new casket was delivered, and that they still had to wait a little while after for the autopsy to complete. Google their names, they've been interviewed several times.

The 11 PM reference is probably from the fact that some people from Gawler's arrived there before the Casket and the rest.
 
MicahJava said:
The CONTEMPORANEOUS RECORD states that the casket was delivered to the morgue at 2 AM. The Gawler's team always said the autopsy was still in progress when the new casket was delivered, and that they still had to wait a little while after for the autopsy to complete. Google their names, they've been interviewed several times.

The 11 PM reference is probably from the fact that some people from Gawler's arrived there before the Casket and the rest.
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Sorry, no.

The delivery of the casket has nothing to do with when the autopsy concluded, nor when the embalming started. We have corroboration for Humes 11pm estimate of the conclusion of the autopsy in the contemporaneous record which says the morticians were given the go-ahead to proceed with the embalming after 11pm.

Mr. SPECTER - What time did this autopsy end?
Commander HUMES - At approximately 11 p.m.

Why would they note the below if the autopsy wasn't done yet?
CLEARANCE WAS RECIEVED TO PROCEED WITH THE PREPARATION AFTER 11 P.M., NOVEMBER 22, 1963.

Are you claiming the contemporaneous record is wrong, and the recollections are correct?

It doesn't say that "Some people from Gawler's Funeral Home arrived about 11pm".

It says:
CLEARANCE WAS RECIEVED TO PROCEED WITH THE PREPARATION AFTER 11 P.M., NOVEMBER 22, 1963.

That clearance probably came from Burkley via RFK once they heard from Humes the autopsy was done.

Hank
 
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Earlier today, I cautioned MicahJava thusly:

HSienzant said:
Now you just have to establish points 1 through 4 without the use of speculation, hearsay, supposition, recollections from 15 or 33 years after the fact, and conjecture.

You know, using *evidence*.

Good luck with that. So far you've failed miserably.
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Since that time, MicahJava has posted a number of times trying to support his arguments, and in each case, he used one or more of speculation, hearsay, supposition, recollections from 15 or 33 years after the fact, and conjecture.

Although in one case he got inventive and used an 18-year after the fact recollection, even admitting it conflicted with the same person's sworn testimony.

He also ignored entirely supporting his claim about why the doctors were trying to hide something:

MicahJava said:
Drs. Humes, Boswell, and Finck may have determined that the throat wound represented something incompatible with the official story.
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Given there was no 'official story' by the end of Friday, 11/22/63 (the suspect Oswald was in the hands of Dallas Police, it was a local crime, and there was every reason to believe a trial would follow), what possible reason was there for Humes, Boswell & Finck to lie about anything? The Warren Commission wouldn't even be formed until another week had passed and Oswald had been killed by Jack Ruby during the abortive transfer.

What official story were they trying to uphold, and why would they lie?
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Hank
 
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HSienzant said:
Earlier today, I cautioned MicahJava thusly:



Since that time, MicahJava has posted a number of times trying to support his arguments, and in each case, he used one or more of speculation, hearsay, supposition, recollections from 15 or 33 years after the fact, and conjecture.

Although in one case he got inventive and used an 18-year after the fact recollection, even admitting it conflicted with the same person's sworn testimony.

He also ignored entirely supporting his claim about why the doctors were trying to hide something:




Hank
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To be entirely fair to MicahJava, none of his CT sites has told him to think otherwise. Nor did they tell him how badly he was going to get his ass handed to him. I think they should prepare their sycophants a little better in the future.
 
Dave Rogers said:
I'm having a bit of trouble following what MicahJava's getting at here. What difference does it make who phoned whom and when to tell them that JFK had an exit wound in his throat? Ideally I'd like someone other than MJ to tell me, because MJ's explanations tend not to make things any clearer.

Dave
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Nothing changes.

In fact he is arguing a non-issue. If the pathologists had lied about having to call Dallas about the throat wound, and conspired to cover this fact up it would be an issue. The problem is Humes made the call, and has always been upfront about it.

MJ's just trying to play gotchya with unimportant subject matter because he has nowhere else to go.
 
MicahJava said:
The whole story from Dr. Humes et. al just sounds dubious.

They somehow learned about the bullet discovered on the stretcher without also learning about the original small throat wound? Everybody at the autopsy attested how puzzled they were at the lack of any bullet found in the body, it would only make sense they they would try getting information from Dallas while they were still examining the body.
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Everything you assume is wrong.

The amount of pressure the autopsy doctors were under to get the body processes was immense. RFK and Mrs. Kennedy were watching from the gallery above waiting to take the body. We know you do not study, and your ignorance is on display with every post you make so I'll use small words:

The neck wound was not the cause of death, the head wound was. The head wound got all of the attention because of the amount of work needed to get the brain removed, and everything photographed. They took x-rays of the entire body, and they dissected the chest and abdominal cavity per standard procedure. No bullet was found.

Once the body was sewed up there was no reason to keep the RFK and Jackie waiting. At some point Humes calls Parkland and is told it was an exit wound, and that's the end of it.
 
MicahJava said:
The shooting happened at Dallas,
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Happened IN Dallas.


the doctors had a mysterious missing bullet they had to figure out,
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Hence: Autopsy.

and they were specifically told try to find an assassin's bullet in his body.
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This is a lie. They were told anything.

It would only be logical to call Dallas while the body was still being examined.
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Why? The bullet wasn't inside the President. The back wound wasn't the cause of death.

You have to understand that the words "Logic" and "Stupid" don't go together.
 
MicahJava said:
I can understand why single-assassin theorists would think that the occam's razor evidence just shows a two-hit scenario to explain Kennedy's wounds.
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Because that's WHAT ALL THE EVIDENCE POINTS TO.


But then there's stuff like this that wakes you up and makes you realize that the Kennedy case probably does involve serious mysteries like shallow back wounds, tiny throat wounds, EOPs, etc
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Stuff you made up because you came into this looking for conspiracy.
 
MicahJava said:
If the bullets did not end up in Kennedy's body, in this scenario they would have fallen into the limousine to be lost or stolen.
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We know where the 2 bullets ended up. Plus if bullets just fall into the limo then why is the 6.5x52mm round that passed through JFK and the Governor so hard to believe.

You can't have it both ways.

The limousine is a notoriously neglected piece of forensic evidence.
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Lie.

The Secret Service went through it inch by inch, this is how they recovered skull, brain matter, and bullet fragments. The windshield is still in the National Archives.
 
MicahJava said:
The 11 PM reference is probably from the fact that some people from Gawler's arrived there before the Casket and the rest.
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Does this not in itself prove Hank’s timeline correct?
We have documents stating clearance was given, at 11pm, and people turning up at 11.

Even if they then waited any number of hours for the casket, for clearance to be passed through the chain of command and to reach civilians proves the autopsy was over.
 
Unless of course conspirators are in the habit of allowing random civilians to witness their evil cover ups without clearance being given? Seems a worrying lapse in Naval security to allow a bunch of morticians onto a base without clearance.
 
MicahJava said:
The mock trial of Oswald is in two days, but I just realized it's $75 to watch the friggin thing via streaming on a device. If anybody is buying this, I will pay $10 for a copy made by you. Just a copy using screen-capture software would be great.
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With that level of dedication, I'm sure you'll crack this case wide open in no time.

Dave
 
MicahJava said:
http://http://capa-us.org/south-texas-college-law-houston-hosts-two-day-mock-trial-state-texas-v-lee-harvey-oswald-world-renowned-jfk-assassination-experts/

Retiring from the subject of contention for the night.

The mock trial of Oswald is in two days, but I just realized it's $75 to watch the friggin thing via streaming on a device. If anybody is buying this, I will pay $10 for a copy made by you. Just a copy using screen-capture software would be great.
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You are asking somebody to break the law by pirating a broadcast for you?
 
MicahJava said:
http://http://capa-us.org/south-texas-college-law-houston-hosts-two-day-mock-trial-state-texas-v-lee-harvey-oswald-world-renowned-jfk-assassination-experts/

Retiring from the subject of contention for the night.

The mock trial of Oswald is in two days, but I just realized it's $75 to watch the friggin thing via streaming on a device. If anybody is buying this, I will pay $10 for a copy made by you. Just a copy using screen-capture software would be great.
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sigh.

Here's the correct link:

http://capa-us.org/south-texas-coll...ald-world-renowned-jfk-assassination-experts/


I'll pass. It's co-sponsored by the conspiracy group CITIZENS AGAINST POLITICAL ASSASSINATIONS (CAPA) so I'm certain we're going to get a reprise of all the old chestnuts that have long since been debunked.

Hank
 
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