Merged Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did.

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Say It Ain't So

The main advocate for conspiracy nonsense on true crime forums agrees with the unhinged thought process of Ted Gunderson? Say it ain't so. Nice plug for inmate's defense fund. Smell that sarcasm? It's important to note that inmate was so impressed with Gunderson's work, he felt compelled to fire Teddy Boy in 1983.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
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The article was pretty good but inmate received 3 consecutive life sentences not concurrent (big difference). Also, no mention of the fact that Gunderson didn't simply "retire" he was forced out under allegations of illegal activities....or perhaps it is better stated he was allowed to retire rather than put the FBI into the position of having to do a full scale criminal investigation on one of its own. I have heard several times that old Teddy G was black-balled from the Retired Special Agents Society - pretty big come down for a former AIC.
 
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The main advocate for conspiracy nonsense on true crime forums agrees with the unhinged thought process of Ted Gunderson? Say it ain't so. Nice plug for inmate's defense fund. Smell that sarcasm? It's important to note that inmate was so impressed with Gunderson's work, he felt compelled to fire Teddy Boy in 1983.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
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I agree that Gunderson might have got himself involved into dangerous waters by associating with known financial fraudsters and American Nazis, but I still think he was no fool. The dishonest MacDonald prosecutors were very keen to discredit Gunderson and Detective Beasley. It's like saying you need to see a psychiatrist if you accused Blackburn of dishonesty, or Harvey Weinstein of hanky-panky, or that child sex rings don't exist, or even that President Bush and President Johnson had nothing to do with the death of JFK.

As I understand it, Gunderson resigned from the MacDonald case because MacDonald owed him $100000. Gunderson never changed his mind about MacDonald's innocence.

There is a bit of background to Gunderson and the MacDonald case at this website:

http://historybud.com/dr-jeffrey-ma...-of-the-gruesome-crime-in-a-us-govt-cover-up/
 
Ted Gunderson was an egomaniac that thought the rules didn't apply to himself. He got himself into trouble by doing things that were illegal. Then, he became a bigger nutcase by bringing forth not just conspiracy theories but Satanic Cult conspiracy theories. Not a single shred of evidence has ever come forward to prove his nonsense and quite a bit of evidence exists that he cheated and lied and manipulated poor drugged out Helena....taping her confessions and then manipulating the text to try and piece together a facsimile of a possible confession, but again, it was proven that Ted lied, and Ted set-up Helena to become the "scape-goat" but it didn't work. Real skilled investigators proved that Ted didn't know his head from a hole in the ground.

Again we go back to IF you are going to believe one of Helena's confessions than the only one you can possibly believe is the one where she claimed to have watched inmate slaughter Colette, Kimmie, and Kristy. It is the ONLY one of her confessions that comes close to matching the evidence....and it is only "close" not reality. Thinking persons know that Gunderson was off his rocker and was willing to lie, cheat, and steal to achieve his own gains. Didn't work in this case, inmate remained where he belongs and Gunderson ended his day as a laughing stock.
 
Read It And Weep

In a 1980 confession, Stoeckley claimed that Jeffrey MacDonald was beaten for eight full minutes in the living room, and that Colette was clubbed to death on the master bed by two unidentified people. Stoeckley added that one of the children remained asleep on the master bed as her mother was being beaten to death. In a 1982 confession, Stoeckley claimed that the cult planned on obtaining blood from Colette for ritualistic purposes and that she knew that one of the children was transported back to her own bed, even though she did not witness this event taking place.

The information that Stoeckley provided to Ted Gunderson was included in a 1984 appeal for a new trial. The government responded to this and other appeal issues in a 91-page report. In comparing audiotapes of Stoeckley's interviews with Gunderson to the typed transcripts, the government concluded that "it became apparent that these were not transcripts of recorded interviews but rather questions and answers which had been extracted from the tapes, arranged in a sequence designed to delete conflicting responses by Stoeckley and blended into a transcript like statement, which Stoeckley later initialed."

The government also states that during certain audiotapes, "Stoeckley had come perilously close to contradicting her previous whereabouts." The following note to his secretary made it clear that Gunderson was concerned about Stoeckley's disjointed statements.

"June, this is all we're going to record on this tape. I'm going back and try to pick up the mistakes that I made on the other tapes. So, in order to avoid confusion, that's the end of this tape. Don't type anything more off of it."

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/html/suspects.html
 
It's clearly erroneous, and even biased, to reject and ignore the Helena Stoeckly and Greg Mitchell confessions. From the internet:

Several people say Stoeckley, a troubled drug addict and narcotics informant for Fayetteville, North Carolina, and Nashville, Tennessee, police who died in the ’80s, admitted before her death that she was at the MacDonald house the night of the killings. (Her then-boyfriend, Greg Mitchell, also *repeatedly confessed and has also since died.)
“The government fought very vigorously to keep that evidence [Stoeckley’s statements] out of the trial. They did not want the jury to hear that,” Miles explained.

Stoeckley testified but said she could not remember where she was the night of the murders.
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I agree that the Gunderson interview with Helena Stoeckley is not of broadcasting quality. The fact remains that it is relevant to the MacDonald case. Videos of police interviews and confessions of murder suspects are now routinely used in murder trials in courtrooms as evidence.

A half hour version is on You Tube.
 
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It makes perfect sense to ignore Helena's confessions. Not one of Helena's many confessions matched the evidence or inmate's story. There is NOTHING to support any of Helena's confessions as being the truth. THE CLOSEST she came to matching evidence or inmate's story is the one in which she claimed she watched inmate slaughter his family.

Greg Mitchell never directly confessed and there is no evidence at all to support that he was in any way involved.

Ted Gunderson was a crazy person and his nonsense is just that - NONSENSE!
 
Peas In A Pod

The tactics employed by Gunderson/Beasley to manipulate Stoeckley into confessing were succinctly presented in the government's 7/18/84 response brief.

http://www.crimearchives.net/1979_m...4-07-18_EDNC_gov_response_new_trial_memo.html

The following is the government's synopsis of their (e.g., Gunderson/Beasley) unethical behaviors.

With total disregard for the truth, and for Stoeckley's right as a human being, Gunderson and Beasley devised a stratagem in which they would convince Stoeckley that she had been present at the crime scene, and at the same time, soothing her with reassurances that she had not actively participated. The fact that in the process they were fabricating an accusation of murder against her actual associates seem not to have troubled these former law enforcement officers at all.

Speaking of Stoeckley's associates, the landlord studiously ignores the FACT that Gunderson admitted to defense counsel that "While Stoeckley said that a man named Allen Mazzerole was also with her group, investigation since her death discloses that he was not." Gunderson apparently didn't realize that he was throwing his partner (e.g., Beasley) under the bus.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
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I don't know if it's just me, but I can no longer access the Gunderson and Helena Stoeckley half hour interview on You Tube, or the BBC False Witness MacDonald case documentary. I don't know if that's censorship by the Justice Department but I wouldn't be at all surprised.

There used to be a story that Gunderson and Detective Beasley conned Helena into thinking she would not be prosecuted if she confessed because the offense took place several years before. The trouble is that rule doesn't apply to murder. Beasley used to say that the next logical step would be to interview the rest of the Stoeckley group The Army CID and FBI and prosecution were only interested to eliminate them from the inquiry so that MacDonald would suffer as a result. The Stoeckley group, and Mazerolle, have never been properly or thoroughly investigated.
 
The fact that Gunderson and Beasley manipulated poor Helena into her confessions (and recantations) is a stain on the honorable professions that they each had once been a part. The FACT that the FBI allowed Gunderson to retire rather than continue the investigation and likely prosecution for his actions as SAIC apparently didn't deter him from continuing criminal or at least un-ethical behavior. The one positive in Gunderson's involvement in this case is that he ADMITTED THAT ALLEN MAZEROLLE WAS NOT INVOLVED. Since there is copious amounts of evidence to prove that Allen M could not possibly have been involved from his jail cell we can skip ahead and discuss the unethical activities that Gunderson did.....including convincing Helena that the statute of limitations was up and she therefore could not be prosecuted and/or that she would be given immunity from prosecution.

Statute of Limitations - there is no such thing in murder cases.

Immunity from Prosecution - neither Gunderson or Beasley was in a position to offer this to Helena. AT BEST they could say they would TRY and get such a boon.
 
There is a fairly legible transcript of an interview by Helena Stoeckley to Detective Beasley and Gunderson at :

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/stoeckley-confession_1980.html

There used to be gossip on the internet that Gunderson said he would help Helena get immunity, and even help Helena and her husband get a job and settle in California I suppose Gunderson might have been insincere about that. The 'in bed with the prosecution' judges just said it was some kind of forced confession. Judge Dupree always said that Mitchell and Stoeckley were probably courting on a bridge somewhere on the night of the murders!

I have always been suspicious that Helena died soon after appearing on television and saying she was going to blow the lid off of Fort Bragg. She had also complained to Detective Beasley that there were strange men around her apartment. Greg Mitchell died about the same time as Helena, after his numerous confessions, and being interviewed by the SBI, or the South Carolina Bureau of Investigation, and saying he was badly scared and trying to get out of the country. I appreciate their health was not good but to my mind Murtagh and Blackburn could finally keep their mouths shut for good that way.

Dr. MacDonald tried to get one of his friends and medical colleagues to investigate the Helena Stoeckley autopsy to allay his fears, but I'm not sure he was successful in that.
 
the problem with the transcripts that the landlord seems to be skipping over IS THAT IT IS NOT A TRUE TRANSCRIPT OF THE INTERVIEW. Gunderson skipped through, picked questions and/or comments and attempted to string them together as a cohesive narrative. That FRAUD was caught and pointed out to the presiding Judges at the hearings. The FACT is that the confessions obtained by Gunderson were fraudulent and useless. WE are back to the ONLY CONFESSION that comes close to matching the evidence is the one in which Helena said she watched inmate slaughter his family.
 
You Can Run, But You Can't Hide

For the past decade plus, the landlord has studiously ignored posts that challenge his specious claims. To piggyback on Byn's post, the landlord closed his eyes/ears to my recent post on Gunderson's manipulation of Stoeckley's so-called confession.

In comparing audiotapes of Stoeckley's interviews with Gunderson to the typed transcripts, the government concluded that "it became apparent that these were not transcripts of recorded interviews but rather questions and answers which had been extracted from the tapes, arranged in a sequence designed to delete conflicting responses by Stoeckley and blended into a transcript like statement, which Stoeckley later initialed."

The government also states that during certain audiotapes, "Stoeckley had come perilously close to contradicting her previous whereabouts." The following note to his secretary made it clear that Gunderson was concerned about Stoeckley's disjointed statements.

"June, this is all we're going to record on this tape. I'm going back and try to pick up the mistakes that I made on the other tapes. So, in order to avoid confusion, that's the end of this tape. Don't type anything more off of it."

www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
 
I agree that Gunderson's interview with Helena Stoeckley might not have been according to the rules of evidence and procedure, or the Judge's rules, and that she should have been cautioned, or told she could have had a lawyer. That's how the dishonest prosecution and 'in bed with the prosecution' judges and Joe McGinnisss and Gene Weingarten and JTF try to pick it apart. The fact is that Greg Mitchell also confessed several times, though not to a cop, and also Cathy Perry confessed, though legally I suppose you could say she was deranged. The whole MacDonald case was poor police work.

Evan Hughes once wrote a fair and just article about all this with reference to the Errol Morris book A Wilderness of Errors:

www.theawl.com/2012/09/the-murders-and-the-journalists

Morris’ book isn’t the definitive narrative either, because no such thing exists, but it shows just how many troublesome facts must be swept under the rug to accept McGinniss’ account — just how many improbabilities we need to accept to be confident that Jeffrey MacDonald should be living his life in prison. In an interview nine years after a North Carolina jury convicted MacDonald of triple homicide, one of the jurors spoke of his lingering concern about the matter of Helena Stoeckley: “We should have been told more about that*woman.”
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Anyone else notice that MacFantasy Island landlord skipped over the part of the Gunderson used illegal methods AND cut and paste to try and create a cohesive confession when in reality Helena clearly was not involved and he knew it. It has nothing to do with the prosecution or the presiding Judge or anyone from the government - it is all on Gunderson being a liar, a cheat, a dishonest jackass and he attempted to use those to get a lying narcissistic sociopathic murdering bastard out of the punishment he justly received.
 
End Run

Those who have discussed/researched this case for the past decade plus are old pros at responding to the regurgitated/debunked claims leveled by the poster with many identities. Logic dictates that we should ignore this true crime troll and keep him at the children's table, but we would be remiss if we didn't protect newcomers from the landlord's mythical case narrative.

The good news is that massive case record has essentially crushed the landlord's attempt at an evidentiary end run. He is now forced to rely on hyperbole, insults, and claims that lack merit. It is evident that he will not even present a cursory rebuttal to the mass of physical evidence that links inmate to this brutal crime.

Yeah, we know how he feels about the appellate system, the CID, FBI, and the DOJ, but none of the employees of these organizations left bloody bare footprints at the crime scene. None of the employees left bloody cuff impressions on the blue bedsheet. None of the employees had Kristen's blood on their reading glasses. None of the employees left their broken, bloody arm hair in Colette's left hand.

Jeffrey MacDonald is the lone source of these evidentiary items. He was convicted by a jury of his peers in less than 7 hours. He has received more chances at freedom than any murderer in history, yet he remains in prison. He is not only guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, he is guilty beyond all doubt.

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Churchill may or may not have coined the phrase, but this:

FANATIC: One who can’t change his opinion and won’t change the subject.

Is clearly applicable to HMP.

If JM was released out into the wild, we'd likely read a news report of a certain little poster stalking their man crush.
 
I don't regard the ridiculous subject of MacDonald guilt, without facts or evidence, as some sort of religious belief and obsession, like some people.
 
Henri McPhee said:
I don't regard the ridiculous subject of MacDonald guilt, without facts or evidence, as some sort of religious belief and obsession, like some people.
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No, you regard the legal and proper conviction of Jeffrey Macdonald of the slaughter by his own hands of his pregnant wife Colette and daughters Kim and Kris as a personal affront of some sort, disregarding facts and evidence which point to his guilt. There is no evidence you can cite without cherry-picking confessions from a mentally ill woman and a PTSD suffering veteran, both of whom also denied doing it and without any evidence of their presence in the Macdonald quarters the night of the murders.

We (yeah, me and talking for others) realize the victims here are Colette, Kim and Kris and that Macdonald's incarceration problem is one of his own making; so we're fine with him where he is. He's earned it. And he owes a bunch of days from 1970 - 1979 and the time he was released for the spurious "double jeopardy" ruling.

Your man crush is guilty. Get over it. You don't have a shred of evidence (and a confession is useless unless it fits the evidence, FYI) to back your bigoted claims that the prosecutors and judges were/are all 'crooked'. The only person dishonest here is Jeffrey Macdonald.
 
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