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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 26

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More revealing is that the PGP treat extensive biographical background data on tertiary bit players in the saga as common knowledge.

When you know what a senator's brother did 40 years ago, or who was whose highschool crush, or the name of a boyfriend's father, because they once said something supportive of a girl you hate - you are on the crazy side of the discussion. Spoiler alert.

I googled Christopher Robinson, Kenneth Robinson/Seattle Herald. I found absolutely nothing connecting Christopher to Kenneth Robinson or the paper. I really don't know if Christopher is related to the same Robinsons that own the Seattle Herald. I really don't care as I think it's totally irrelevant. What I do care about is Vixen providing evidence of it as I've learned not to accept her claims at face value. I want to know if this is yet another ***fact.
 
This is interesting. It's from a German site. Google translation:

His (Guede's) lawyers continue to try the Supreme Court, which is scheduled to vote on 17 November. "After the decision of the cassation court, we know whether the culprit - who is certainly neither Sollecito nor Knox - alone Rudy, although he is certainly not the main culprit of the crime," said his lawyer Tommaso Pietrocarlo the German Press Agency

http://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten....ibt.9186cb56-72b4-4a11-8372-9f0e8bd0e582.html
 
This is interesting. It's from a German site. Google translation:



http://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten....ibt.9186cb56-72b4-4a11-8372-9f0e8bd0e582.html

The courts cannot legally increase his sentence, even if the CSC were to somehow find him to be the sole perpetrator of the murder/rape of Kercher. But they will not venture into that territory of judgment, since the CSC cannot legally upwardly revise a final sentence.

I believe the CSC will simply refuse any revision trial for Guede. There is no sensible reason that the final acquittal of Knox and Sollecito would justify a revision trial for Guede. But we shall see what the CSC decides.
 
On Italy's Country Profile PDF document, revised for November, 2017, the summary of Knox v. Italy is now closer to the top of page 13, while previously it was at the bottom, as the summaries of several former "Noteworthy Pending Cases" (the ECHR's terminology) have been revised and moved to "Noteworthy Cases, Judgments Delivered".
 
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The courts cannot legally increase his sentence, even if the CSC were to somehow find him to be the sole perpetrator of the murder/rape of Kercher. But they will not venture into that territory of judgment, since the CSC cannot legally upwardly revise a final sentence.

I believe the CSC will simply refuse any revision trial for Guede. There is no sensible reason that the final acquittal of Knox and Sollecito would justify a revision trial for Guede. But we shall see what the CSC decides.

Agreed. I also think they will reject his appeal. But what I found interesting is Guede's lawyer acknowledging that it " is certainly neither Sollecito nor Knox" who were the other culprits. Then again, he also states it wasn't Guede. Chortle.
 
That article says Rudy Guede was convicted of "aiding and abetting" which isn't true, he was convicted of murder and sexual assault.

It would actually be more difficult to convict Rudy Guede of aiding and abetting since they would have to prove he actually was in some sort of contact with his alleged accomplices lol
 
That article says Rudy Guede was convicted of "aiding and abetting" which isn't true, he was convicted of murder and sexual assault.

It would actually be more difficult to convict Rudy Guede of aiding and abetting since they would have to prove he actually was in some sort of contact with his alleged accomplices lol

The terminology "aiding and abetting" may not be the best translation.

Google translation of the relevant German sentence:

Und dann ist da Rudy Guede, der einzige, = And then there's Rudy Guede, the only one,

der wegen Beihilfe zum Mord noch in Haft sitzt. = who is still in detention for complicity in murder [or: as an accessory to murder; or: for aiding and abetting murder].

Guede's sentence was reduced in part because the Italian courts concluded that he was part of a group that attacked Kercher. This conclusion was not based on any objective evidence.
 
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The terminology "aiding and abetting" may not be the best translation.

Google translation of the relevant German sentence:

Und dann ist da Rudy Guede, der einzige, = And then there's Rudy Guede, the only one,

der wegen Beihilfe zum Mord noch in Haft sitzt. = who is still in detention for complicity in murder [or: as an accessory to murder; or: for aiding and abetting murder].

Guede's sentence was reduced in part because the Italian courts concluded that he was part of a group that attacked Kercher. This conclusion was not based on any objective evidence.

Did he actually get a reduced sentence for the mitigating circumstance of murdering in a group? That seems crazy even by Italian standards. The Charlie Manson mitigation. I was under the impression that he got generic reductions for age/taking a fast track trial/lack of prior serious convictions etc. But I don't actually know since I didn't read any of his sentencing reports.
 
Shows her to be the utterly despicable callous psychopath she is proud of being.

I note her partner's dad is the owner of West Seattle Herald, who was issued a writ by MIgnini of defamation. So the only reason she ever got a column at all was because Ken Robinson had a grudge and wanted revenge.

Total crap. You don't know what you're talking about. But of course, that isn't news to anyone who has read your posts.
 
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Did he actually get a reduced sentence for the mitigating circumstance of murdering in a group? That seems crazy even by Italian standards. The Charlie Manson mitigation. I was under the impression that he got generic reductions for age/taking a fast track trial/lack of prior serious convictions etc. But I don't actually know since I didn't read any of his sentencing reports.

From the Borsini appeal court judgment:

"While it is not necessary to examine the position of Knox and Sollecito, who are being judged separately, the multiple attacker nature of the murder aggravated by the sexual assault forces us to at least spend some considering them.

We have already discussed the evidence of their presence in the apartment on the evening of 1st November 2007, revealed by the DNA traces of Sollecito on the bra clasp of the victim, of the traces found on the knife in Sollecito’s house where the victim had never been (witness Romanelli) considered compatible with the wounds by the expert witnesses, at least with the deepest one, and having traces of Knox on the handle and Kercher on the blade; supported by the presence of Amanda’s lamp in Meredith’s room (statements of Romanelli and Mezzetti of 7th May 2008); by their lies, including Sollecito’s to Inspector Battistelli to have called the Carabinieri, which instead was found to have been made after the arrival of the Postal Police; from the break in mobile telephone usage of the two, revealed by the logs, between approximately 21:00 of 1st November until the morning of the next day; from the footprint compatible with Sollecito on the bathmat (Consultants Boemia-Rinaldi); the footprints of the two revealed by Luminol; from the discovery of diluted blood stains present on the wash basin and on the bidet containing the genetic material of, other than the victim, also of Knox (see testimony of Stefanoni); from the phrase “I was there” that Amanda let slip out in her intercepted conversation with her parents while in the Capanne prison in Perugia; from the statements (in the third session of questioning by the Public Minister) of Rudi Guede, where he brings Amanda into the scene of the crime for the first time providing more precise details on the wielder of the knife. ...."

The mitigating circumstances are, in part:

"He {the judge of the fast-track trial} also took into account arguments in his {Guede's} favour, put forward by the defense; the lack of previous convictions (no longer sufficient after the introduction of the 3rd paragraph of article 62 bis, introduced with statute no. 125 in 2008), the fact that it was not him {Guede} that held the knife that inflicted the mortal wound on the victim, the voluntary return to Italy after fleeing to Germany, his young age, the “acute stress disorder” that would justify his lack of aid to the victim and the subsequent escape abroad.

Taking into account such elements, the Court holds such mitigating circumstances can be accepted. ....

In addition, he {Guede} was the only one of the defendants to apologize to Meredith’s family, even if referring only to his lack of help to her [in her dying moments], as was recognized by the lawyers of the girl’s relatives who participated as civil parties.

Then, apart from the attempt to staunch the flow of blood from the wound and the proof that it was not he {Guede} that held the knife that was compatible with the worst of the lesions, it should also be remembered that Guede was the only one, even if in a somewhat fanciful reconstruction of events, to indicate the perpetrators."

Therefore, for the sentencing:

"Taking into account the elements and the circumstances of the crime and, above all else, of the unspeakable suffering inflicted on the victim, the panel holds that it must deliver a judgment in which the mitigating and aggravating circumstances are considered of equal value.

As a result of the aforementioned judgment of equivalence, the sentence applicable becomes that covered in article 575 of the Penal Code. ....

For This Reason {For These Reasons} [P.Q.M.]

The Corte di Assise di Appello of Perugia pursuant to articles 443, 605, 599 of the Penal Code with partial reform of the sentence delivered on 28th October 2008 by the Judge of the preliminary hearing [GUP] at the Tribunal of Perugia against Rudi Hermann GUEDE, appealed by him, with the generic mitigating circumstances being equivalent to the contested aggravating circumstances,

REDUCES the punishment of the appellant to 16 years of imprisonment."

Source: https://borsinibellardi.wordpress.com/contents/reasons-for-the-decision/

Thus, the Borsini appeal court regards alleged elements of the alleged "group" nature of the murder/rape as points in favor of reducing Guede's sentence.

For example, Guede named his co-defendents Knox and Sollecito - who were tried separately, and could not contest his statements or other alleged evidence at his trials - as co-perpetrators and denies rendering the knifing fatal to Kercher - these are considered important parts of the mitigating circumstances by the Borsini appeal court. But there was no credible objective evidence of these mitigating factors; for example, the alleged DNA evidence against Knox and Sollecito was accepted without being examined by the Borsini appeal court.

There is not, however, a reduction in his sentence simply because it was an alleged group attack. If that were true, Knox and Sollecito would have received such reductions in their provisional convictions by the Massei first-instance or Nencini appeal courts.
 
One should also note the peculiarity in the Borsini report (in the original Italian text) of the charges which named Guede as complicit with Knox and Sollecito, specifically. This was later corrected - but not strongly enough, in my view - by the Giordano CSC panel that confirmed the Borsini appeal court judgment.

Italian text of Borsini judgment:

"A) del delitto di cui agli artt. 110, 575, 576 primo comma n. 5, in relazione al reato sub C) e 577 primo comma n. 4, in relazione all'art, 61 nn. l e 5, c.p., per avere, in concorso con KNQX AMANDA MARIE e SOLLECITO RAFFAELE, ucciso KERCHER MEREDITH, mediante strozzamento e conseguente rottura dell'osso ioide e profonda lesione alla regione anterolaterale
sinistra e laterale, destra del collo, da arma da punta e da taglio di cui al capo B), e quindi choc metaemorragico con apprezzabile componente asfìttica secondario al sanguinamento (derivato dalle ferite da punta e taglio presenti nelle regioni anterolaterale sinistra e laterale destra del collo e dalla contestuale abbondante aspirazione di materiale ematico), e profittando
dell'ora notturna e dell'ubicazione isolata dell'appartamento condotto in locazione .dalla stessa KERCHER e dalla stessa KNOX, oltre che da due ragazze italiane (ROMANELLI FILOMENA e MEZZETTI LAURA), appartamento sito in Perugia, Via della Pergola 7, commettendo il fatto per motivi futili, mentre il GUEDE, con il concorso degli altri, commetteva il delitto di violenza essuale."

Google translation:

"A) of the crime referred to in art. 110, 575, 576 first paragraph no. 5, in relation to crime sub C) and 577 first paragraph n. 4, in relation to Art, 61 nn. l and 5, i.e., to have, in concert with KNQX AMANDA MARIE and SOLLECITO RAFFAELE, killing KERCHER MEREDITH, by throttling and resulting in rupture of the hyoid bone and deep lesion to the anterolateral region left and right side, right of the neck, ... and profiting from the night time and the isolated location of the apartment rented by the same KERCHER and KNOX herself, as well as two Italian girls (ROMANELLI FILOMENA and LAURA MEZZETTI), with the apartment located in Perugia, Via della Pergola 7, committing the fact {act of the crime} for futile motives, while GUEDE, with the cooperation of the others, committed a crime of sexual violence."
 
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From the Borsini appeal court judgment:

the “acute stress disorder” that would justify his lack of aid to the victim and the subsequent escape abroad.

lol

In addition, he {Guede} was the only one of the defendants to apologize to Meredith’s family

Oh yeah I forgot about this. His apology was part of his overall story of being an innocent bystander that did nothing, yet he was convicted of murder and sexual assault, it was part of a lie and accepted as a lie by the court. Maybe they should have handed him an Oscar award for coming up with his lying story about being sorry while on a date. If Harvey Weinstein can win one...

it should also be remembered that Guede was the only one, even if in a somewhat fanciful reconstruction of events, to indicate the perpetrators."

Except for himself of course. And he didn't testify. And he didn't actually say he witnessed them attack anyone. But why should he do either when he gets the benefits of testifying with a reduced sentence without actually having to do it. Very nice.

Thanks for posting this. If people gave a **** about Meredith Kercher this stuff would be enshrined in every news article about the case. But they don't. So we'll continue to get stories about Amanda's new cat on instagram or whatever bs they actually care about.

There is not, however, a reduction in his sentence simply because it was an alleged group attack. If that were true, Knox and Sollecito would have received such reductions in their provisional convictions by the Massei first-instance or Nencini appeal courts.

Oh but it is in effect. And I'm sure Raffaele would have gotten a nice reduction at CSC for not wielding the knife had he not been acquitted. Come to Italy. Have some fun murdering with your friends. Don't worry about getting caught we'll sort out who did what and recognize you only held the victim down so she could be stabbed. Practically a humanitarian gesture.
 
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Oh yeah I forgot about this. His apology was part of his overall story of being an innocent bystander that did nothing, yet he was convicted of murder and sexual assault, it was part of a lie and accepted as a lie by the court. Maybe they should have handed him an Oscar award for coming up with his lying story about being sorry while on a date. If Harvey Weinstein can win one...



Except for himself of course. And he didn't testify. And he didn't actually say he witnessed them attack anyone. But why should he do either when he gets the benefits of testifying with a reduced sentence without actually having to do it. Very nice.

Thanks for posting this. If people gave a **** about Meredith Kercher this stuff would be enshrined in every news article about the case. But they don't. So we'll continue to get stories about Amanda's new cat on instagram or whatever bs they actually care about.



Oh but it is in effect. And I'm sure Raffaele would have gotten a nice reduction at CSC for not wielding the knife had he not been acquitted. Come to Italy. Have some fun murdering with your friends. Don't worry about getting caught we'll sort out who did what and recognize you only held the victim down so she could be stabbed. Practically a humanitarian gesture.

How cynical of you! Don't forget that, according to the PGP, all Italian courts are honest and fair, except when they acquit Knox and Sollecito, in which case they are part of a conspiracy.
 
Borsini lists the "lie" by RS concerning the calling of the carabinieri and the "I was there" statement by AK as two reasons for mitigation. Yet, the Massei court had already determined that RS had called the carabinieri before the postales arrived and that AK's comment was taken out of context and she was referring to RS's apartment. Reminds me of Nencini's claim that Sollecito's DNA was on the knife.
 
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Pictured: Rudy Guede receiving his award from the Italian government for lying about his complicity in murder and sexual assault
 
Going to beat this dead horse again because I can't stay away.

Like, imagine if Amanda was guilty and kept up her "Patrick did it" story but then said "I'm sorry Meredith's family for not doing anything while Patrick raped and murdered your daughter while I stood in the kitchen covering my ears and being generally innocent, I was afraid." - And the courts rewarded her for her shameful self serving lie because it contained the literal word "sorry." This is the exact equivalent of what happened with Rudy Guede.

*In extremely presidential voice* The decision on Rudy Guede is a complete and total disgrace! Sad!
 
Borsini lists the "lie" by RS concerning the calling of the carabinieri and the "I was there" statement by AK as two reasons for mitigation. Yet, the Massei court had already determined that RS had called the carabinieri before the postales arrived and that AK's comment was taken out of context and she was referring to RS's apartment. Reminds me of Nencini's claim that Sollecito's DNA was on the knife.

The Massei court verdict was announced 4-5 December 2009 and the motivation report was published and filed 4 March 2010.

The Borsini appeal court verdict was announced 22 December 2009 and the motivation report was published and filed 22 March 2010.

The Micheli report verdict for Guede's fast-track trial is dated 28 October 2008 and shows a predicted motivation report publication and filing date of 90 days, that is, on or about 28 January 2009.

The Borsini appeal court therefore may not have had time to adjust their motivation report to match the Massei court motivation report, assuming they would even consider doing so, and instead certainly relied solely on the information provided by the prosecution and by Guede, without any critical examination of the information relating to Knox and Sollecito. It's important to note that the original Micheli fast-track trial of Guede sentenced him to 30 years for the murder/rape of Kercher, and that sentence was reduced by the Borsini appeal court to 16 years because, in part, of the lesser responsibility the appeal court attributed to Guede, because that appeal court accepted Guede's defense arguments - not apparently contradicted by the prosecution - that Knox and Sollecito bore the major responsibility. And each element of the alleged evidence supporting these allegations against Knox and Sollecito was arbitrary nonsense. In particular, the alleged DNA evidence was not supported by objective forensic science standards, while all the rest of the alleged evidence was bogus and not probative.
 
The Massei court verdict was announced 4-5 December 2009 and the motivation report was published and filed 4 March 2010.

The Borsini appeal court verdict was announced 22 December 2009 and the motivation report was published and filed 22 March 2010.

The Micheli report verdict for Guede's fast-track trial is dated 28 October 2008 and shows a predicted motivation report publication and filing date of 90 days, that is, on or about 28 January 2009.

The Borsini appeal court therefore may not have had time to adjust their motivation report to match the Massei court motivation report, assuming they would even consider doing so, and instead certainly relied solely on the information provided by the prosecution and by Guede, without any critical examination of the information relating to Knox and Sollecito. It's important to note that the original Micheli fast-track trial of Guede sentenced him to 30 years for the murder/rape of Kercher, and that sentence was reduced by the Borsini appeal court to 16 years because, in part, of the lesser responsibility the appeal court attributed to Guede, because that appeal court accepted Guede's defense arguments - not apparently contradicted by the prosecution - that Knox and Sollecito bore the major responsibility. And each element of the alleged evidence supporting these allegations against Knox and Sollecito was arbitrary nonsense. In particular, the alleged DNA evidence was not supported by objective forensic science standards, while all the rest of the alleged evidence was bogus and not probative.

I think one of the most ridiculous statements by Borsini is the "Amanda's lamp was in Meredith's room" bit. Just how is that evidence against Amanda? I could understand it if the girls had not lived together but, for heaven's sake, their rooms were right next to each other. Anyone, including Meredith herself or Guede, could have brought that lamp into her room.
 
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