Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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Worm said:
I'm intrigued by this line in the article:

"Many don’t appear to meet the educational qualifications for their positions."
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The key difference is that these people are NOT applying for a job, they are being appointed by our current King. In US government there are two types* of positions, civil services and political appointments. The kind of job opening and hiring you are citing are the equivalent of civil service job opening here and the winnowing process is also similar. Not so for political appointments. There may be formal requirements but if the President wants to ignore them, there is not much of a penalty for him ... or for the appointee, for that matter.

*There's probably more but this suffices for the topic at hand.
 
SezMe said:
Are you talking about his tweets? If so, please add some details because I am not a Twitter user. If not, please explain what responses you are talking about.
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Within 24 hours of the October 31 attack that killed 8 he "issued" an executive order and used the bully pulpit to call out congress.

It has been a month since an attack that killed 50 people and he has taken no action.
 
Bob001 said:
Trump hires only the best people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...05a458-bf4c-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html
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It's baffling they haven't withdrawn his nomination. Sam Clovis, Trump’s nominee for USDA’s top scientist, confirms he has no hard science credentials.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture’s chief scientist nominee, Sam Clovis, who now serves as the agency’s senior White House adviser, confirmed in an Oct. 17 letter*obtained by The Washington Post*that he has no academic credentials in either science or agriculture.

But the former Iowa talk radio host and political science professor contended in the letter to the Senate Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry Committee’s top Democrat, Debbie Stabenow (Mich.), that*his time teaching and running for political office in the Hawkeye State steeped him in the field of agriculture.

The post for which President Trump has nominated his campaign co-chair — USDA undersecretary for research, education and economics — has*traditionally been held by individuals with advanced degrees in science or medicine. The*2008 farm bill*specifies that appointees to the position should be chosen “from among distinguished scientists with specialized training or significant experience in agricultural research, education, and economics,” given that the official is “responsible for the coordination of the research, education, and extension activities of the Department.”
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Worm said:
I'm intrigued by this line in the article:

"Many don’t appear to meet the educational qualifications for their positions."

I'm not clear on the way the jobs are advertised over there, but where I work (Local Government), nobody can even be considered for a post if they do not meet the essential requirements - including education requirements. That's a hard line. If the job requires a degree and you don't have one - tough, you're not getting that job, not getting an interview, end of story.

I assume this is not the case in the situation being highlighted?
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Civil service jobs -- the vast majority of government jobs -- do have formal requirements for education and experience. But pretty much anybody can be appointed to a political position, and the president gets to fill something like 4,000 of those directly.
http://presidentialtransition.org/blog/posts/160316_help-wanted-4000-appointees.php
 
sunmaster14 said:
Well, that's a non sequitur, but I'll bet you $100 even odds that Mueller's investigation is ultimately ruled illegitimate by a federal court in any trial that comes out of the charges announced today (illegitimate in the sense that criminal charges will be tossed because of the 4th Amendment and/or the 14th Amendment's right to Due Process). Mueller should never have been appointed, even if there was thought to be probable cause for the allegations at the time, which prompted his appointment. As it turns out, there was never probable cause, and everybody should have known that. This is a classic case of "fruit of the poisoned tree."
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Oystein said:
Can you put an end date to this? Then I may be game!
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sunmaster14 said:
Well, these court battles can last a good long time, especially since the interesting action will probably be at the appellate level after more than two years at the trial court after an indictment. I guess the end of Trump's first term - Jan. 20, 2021 - would be a good end date, since he might put an end to things with a pardon anyway.

Also, I'll caution that a plea deal by Manafort or whomever would not put an end to things. I think ultimately a plea deal will be overturned based on the same reasoning I gave.
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Oystein said:
Alright! You bet $100 that, as of Jan 20, 2021 the indictment of whoever we find out Monday has been charged has been overturned by the most recent court ruling on the grounds you spelled out in your inirial offer, and I bet $100 against (dollar value on Jan 21, 2021). See you then!
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sunmaster14 said:
Ok, my only condition is that if I lose I get to pay by sending you an Amazon gift code for $100. Is that ok? More anonymous that way.
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#oysteinbookmark - so I shall be able to find the conditions of this bet in January 2021. Provided the board still exists then.
 
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Bob001 said:
Civil service jobs -- the vast majority of government jobs -- do have formal requirements for education and experience. But pretty much anybody can be appointed to a political position, and the president gets to fill something like 4,000 of those directly.
http://presidentialtransition.org/blog/posts/160316_help-wanted-4000-appointees.php
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The Special Schudule appointments are separate from the Permanent Civil Service. The whole idea is that they see the policies of the President are carried out,on the grounds the people when they voted for the President voted for those policies.
The Special Schedule get the benefits of a regular CS postion (Health benefits, etc) but they do not have the protections;they can be fired at any time without formal proceedings.
 
The Don said:
I see, the Executive trying to cut out the Judicial in order to get what they want. Nope, can't see any problem with that :rolleyes:

I can see "the man in the street" wanting swift and terrible justice to be meted out on the New York attacker. The reason we tend to have "grown ups" in charge is to apply some kind of impulse control.
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Irony is if there was ever an open and shut case this is it; about the only thing the defense can plead is some form of insanity;they sure as hell can't argue the guy did not do the crime of which he is accused.
But the President has to open his big mouth and complicate thingsa.aside from the fact that the President and Politicans in general should keep out of legal proceedings,and let the due process of law take it's course.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
Trump Declares Suspect ‘Should Get Death Penalty’

Good one.

Donald Trump wanted to execute four innocent black teens for an attack in NYC back in the day. Now it's "hang 'em high" time again; frontier justice.
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Don't forget the other problem with Trump's statements... Now, when it comes to the courts the defense can use Trump's statements in an argument how "He can't get a fair trial".

Ultimately Trump may actually have reduced the chance of the death penalty being applied.
 
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