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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Scorpion said:
Sex in this world is primarily for reproduction[...]
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Dude...I don't know if this will come as good news because you get to experience something new and wonderful, or bad news because you didn't learn about it earlier, but most people find sex pleasurable in and of itself as well as something which can deepen a bond between couples. Lots of people do it all the time, just for fun, and there is indeed an entire multi-billion pound global industry based around ways and means to allow people to have sex without reproducing.

Seriously, go out and try it. If you don't have or can't find anybody to do it with you can even do it by yourself. Really, try it. It's great. And if you've not done it before except as some kind of chore, it'll blow your mind.
 
Scorpion said:
What else do we have to rely on except our reason. It is your reason that makes you a sceptic isn't it.?
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It's my willingness to accept what careful scientific investigation tells me even when my reason is telling me something else that makes me a sceptic.

My reason alone tells me that the earth is flat, and the sun goes round the earth. It's objective evidence that forces me to reconsider.
 
Pixel42 said:
It's my willingness to accept what careful scientific investigation tells me even when my reason is telling me something else that makes me a sceptic.

My reason alone tells me that the earth is flat, and the sun goes round the earth. It's objective evidence that forces me to reconsider.
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As it happens I am a fan of reason. It does not bother me that everyone here disputes my conclusions about the existence of a spirit world. I think you are all doing what your are intended to in your life lesson. Developing intellect.
But surely it is your senses that observe the world as you experience it seems flat and the sun appears to travel across the sky.

Many people since the ancient Greeks have theorised the earth orbits the sun even without having evidence to support it. That is what I mean by reasoning.

http://galileo.rice.edu/sci/theories/copernican_system.html
 
Scorpion said:
As it happens I am a fan of reason. It does not bother me that everyone here disputes my conclusions about the existence of a spirit world. I think you are all doing what your are intended to in your life lesson. Developing intellect.
But surely it is your senses that observe the world as you experience it seems flat and the sun appears to travel across the sky.

Many people since the ancient Greeks have theorised the earth orbits the sun even without having evidence to support it. That is what I mean by reasoning.

http://galileo.rice.edu/sci/theories/copernican_system.html
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It's possible to reason that the earth is flat, and also that it's round. In both cases the reasoning process itself is sound, it's the assumptions and information you feed into it that make the difference.

Reason is like a computer, it operates on the GIGO principle - garbage in, garbage out. No matter how perfect your reasoning process is, if you feed false data and assumptions into it you will get faulty conclusions out.

For example your conclusion that you received a message from your deceased brother is based on many assumptions - that the medium did not obtain this information covertly, that the medium did not just make a lucky guess, that your mother did not tell a white lie, that your memory of the incident is accurate. Even if your reasoning process is sound, if just one of your assumptions is wrong then so is your conclusion. And you have no way to establish the truth of any of your assumptions.
 
Scorpion said:
As it happens I am a fan of reason. It does not bother me that everyone here disputes my conclusions about the existence of a spirit world. I think you are all doing what your are intended to in your life lesson. Developing intellect.
But surely it is your senses that observe the world as you experience it seems flat and the sun appears to travel across the sky.

Many people since the ancient Greeks have theorised the earth orbits the sun even without having evidence to support it. That is what I mean by reasoning.

http://galileo.rice.edu/sci/theories/copernican_system.html
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And they had careful observations, measurements and calculations on their side. And they all reached the same conclusion.

Meanwhile, on the topic of the afterlife, some people believe you get drafted into your patron god's army, some that you go to live with your ancestors and depend on the offerings of your living relatives for continued existence, some that you get reborn, some that you're punished or rewarded for ever, some that you sleep until you are reborn in the flesh... And all they have to show for those wildly differing views is "just take my word for it (or else!)".
 
Scorpion said:
Romance does not have to be reduced to the sex act. Sex in this world is primarily for reproduction,
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What a horrible world view.

Scorpion said:
and spirits do not reproduce.
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Really? How many spirit's are there then? According to you, they do not die and they do not reproduce, therefore there must be a fixed number of them.
Also, how many reincarnations on average does each spiritt go through?

Scorpion said:
It does not mean they cannot have asexual affectation's.
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How many "boyfriends" did your brother have and why were they not mentioned?
 
Darat said:
Where do new spirits come from?
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The theory is that spirits are, or were breathed out of the God head. The spirit is a part of God that is sealed off from the divine by a bubble of energy which is called the soul body.

We are God within God, or drops in the divine ocean. We are sent out to realize ourselves, and ultimately reunite with the God head as perfected souls.
 
abaddon said:
Really? How many spirit's are there then? According to you, they do not die and they do not reproduce, therefore there must be a fixed number of them.
Also, how many reincarnations on average does each spirit go through?
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According to what I have heard from spirit guides there are a vast number of spirits, many are incarnate on other planets, but there are far greater numbers in higher planes of existence.

A medium called Ursula Roberts, said in a trance lecture we may incarnate as many as thousands of times, in our cycle of spiritual evolution.
 
Scorpion said:
According to what I have heard from spirit guides there are a vast number of spirits, many are incarnate on other planets, but there are far greater numbers in higher planes of existence.
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There is only one other planet; in the centre of the Universe. A vast rebirth sphere with no name. There are many shells around its core. These are the planes of existence.

A medium called Ursula Roberts, said in a trance lecture we may incarnate as many as thousands of times, in our cycle of spiritual evolution.
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Ursula is another of my remotes. I'm glad my work has made you so happy.
 
Scorpion said:
According to what I have heard from spirit guides there are a vast number of spirits, many are incarnate on other planets, but there are far greater numbers in higher planes of existence.
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Nope. You have heard nothing from any spirit guide. We know this because you told us so. All you really know is what various mediums have CLAIMED some spirit guides said. And you cannot tell if any guides of any sort were involved.

Scorpion said:
A medium called Ursula Roberts, said in a trance lecture we may incarnate as many as thousands of times, in our cycle of spiritual evolution.
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Sorry? Who exactly said this? A spirit? Nope Ursula Roberts said it, that's who.
 
Scorpion said:
The theory is that spirits are, or were breathed out of the God head. The spirit is a part of God that is sealed off from the divine by a bubble of energy which is called the soul body.

We are God within God, or drops in the divine ocean. We are sent out to realize ourselves, and ultimately reunite with the God head as perfected souls.
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If we came from him why aren't we already perfect? You are saying god isn't perfect.

And what you mean by "realize ourselves" is for people to be burned alive so they can suffer and "learn" for people to be raped so they can suffer and "learn", so your mother can carry an ache in her heart for the rest of her life after her baby died, so that you can be tormented by your mental illness.. Your god is as barbaric and as evil as any other of the little gods humans have come-up with.

ETA: This is what your god wants people to experience: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...soldiers-husbands-blame-abandon-a7860246.html

"... "I was raped close to my due date, in my ninth month of pregnancy. They knew I was pregnant but didn't care," Ms Bagon said. ...."

"... Earlier this year, a Human Rights Watch report alleged Rohingya women and girls as young as 13 had been raped and sexually assaulted by soldiers. ..."

I am so glad that your god is merely a creation of your imagination.

(Plus of course your words are actually gibberish - none of them have any actual meaning, they just make a "nice" sounding statement.)
 
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abaddon said:
Nope. You have heard nothing from any spirit guide. We know this because you told us so. All you really know is what various mediums have CLAIMED some spirit guides said. And you cannot tell if any guides of any sort were involved.

Sorry? Who exactly said this? A spirit? Nope Ursula Roberts said it, that's who.
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Just for the sake of factual accuracy he has: he says he was told by a voice the winning lottery numbers.
 
Darat said:
Just for the sake of factual accuracy he has: he says he was told by a voice the winning lottery numbers.
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Really? He is a millionaire in that case, right? Nope.

Let me suggest a more likely scenario. A person dozes in front of the TV. The lotto draw comes on and in the semi-conscious state, the voice of the TV presenter becomes incorporated into a dream. Upon waking, the person remembers the dream an goes to check the numbers. Behold, a miracle.

Now, I am not suggesting that this is Scorpion's story at all. The point is that there are plenty of mundane explanations for such a memory.

Secondly, suppose it were true just for a moment. What would YOU do?

A. Buy a ticket, become a millionaire and simultaneously prove the spirit world is real.

B. Don't buy a ticket, but record the given numbers and lodge them with an unimpeachable person/institution/whatever. You wont get rich, but you will prove the spirit world is a reality.

C. Do nothing at all because...reasons.

According to Scorpion, A. would be morally wrong because profit, therefore C.

B. However doesn't get a look-in because...reasons. One might claim that B. would mean a huge profit from speaking engagements, book deals, etc. That holds no water, since those are post facto choices. One could chose to grant interviews/speaking tours gratis or publish books at cost or simply publish on the internet gratis.
 
Scorpion said:
......But if someone claiming to be God appeared to me I would cross examine him to see if what he said made sense. I would not just obey him, or believe anything he said.
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Do you cross examine the mediums claiming to get messages from spirits?
 
Zivan said:
Do you cross examine the mediums claiming to get messages from spirits?
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I don't attend spiritualist churches any more, but if I did and a medium gave me a message I would ask questions if I could.

Sometimes after a trance lecture members of the audience are allowed to ask questions, and I once asked if animals evolve to become humans. The spirit guide said no, animals evolve in their own right.
But asking questions of spirit guides is a rare event even if you attend lectures, and also you cannot ask questions unrelated to the lecture.
 
Donn said:
I dimly recall his account of it being a small win, just enough to buy some needed thing. Not a big-ticket win. A ten pounder kind of affair.
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It was a five number win of £1182 and it was just enough for me to buy a computer and pay off my credit card. I did not even have enough left for a printer.
 
Scorpion said:
I don't attend spiritualist churches any more, but if I did and a medium gave me a message I would ask questions if I could.

Sometimes after a trance lecture members of the audience are allowed to ask questions, and I once asked if animals evolve to become humans. The spirit guide said no, animals evolve in their own right.
But asking questions of spirit guides is a rare event even if you attend lectures, and also you cannot ask questions unrelated to the lecture.
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Really? OK, let's do some number crunching.

In total, 120 billion humans is the most that have ever existed over time.

You claim each spirit incarnates 1,000 times. Some may be at the beginning, some at the end, so let's say on average 500 incarnations done.

Thus there are 240 million spirits at most.

So why are there 7 billion of us right now?
 
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