Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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BobTheCoward said:
What am I missing here? It feels like the sense of skepticism is slipping on this story. This isn't supposed to be a group that relies on coincidence. What am I not getting?
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Everybody should be skeptical about a minuscule company almost as far away from the target region as is possible in the US with no experience of projects of this size getting awarded a massive contract without any bidding.

Shouldn't you be in favor of letting the market decide who gets to rebuild Puerto Rico's infrastructure?
 
BobTheCoward said:
What am I missing here? It feels like the sense of skepticism is slipping on this story. This isn't supposed to be a group that relies on coincidence. What am I not getting?
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Demonstrating that coincidences exist does not infer that reliance has been placed on them.

Seems to me there's a fair amount of skepticism about the notion that the awarding of this contract by this administration meets the minimal ethical standards.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Everybody should be skeptical about a minuscule company almost as far away from the target region as is possible in the US with no experience of projects of this size getting awarded a massive contract without any bidding.

Shouldn't you be in favor of letting the market decide who gets to rebuild Puerto Rico's infrastructure?
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I am very skeptical. I have no information that the contracted was awarded fairly or unfairly. Therefore I do not know or have a good idea if it was awarded fairly or unfairly. Where is this presumption to form a position come from?
 
TofuFighter said:
Demonstrating that coincidences exist does not infer that reliance has been placed on them.

Seems to me there's a fair amount of skepticism about the notion that the awarding of this contract by this administration meets the minimal ethical standards.
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But there isn't evidence it was awarded fairly or unfairly. I think the skeptical position is to not operate from any presumption that it is fair or unfair.
 
BobTheCoward said:
But there isn't evidence it was awarded fairly or unfairly. I think the skeptical position is to not operate from any presumption that it is fair or unfair.
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I don't know how you know that there's no evidence.
Either way, I don't think I've seen any claim that it was unfairly or irregularly awarded yet.
 
The Don said:
Good to see that President Trump's handling of Puerto Rico and his attacks on a Gold Star family have actually seen his approval numbers rise somewhat in the GOP (albeit well within the margin of error): :rolleyes:

http://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

Is there literally nothing the man can do or say to shed any support whatsoever in his party ? :confused:
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Sure there is. If he disparaged a group of white conservative, tea partiers, they would abandon him.
 
TofuFighter said:
Demonstrating that coincidences exist does not infer that reliance has been placed on them.

Seems to me there's a fair amount of skepticism about the notion that the awarding of this contract by this administration meets the minimal ethical standards.
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One detail here: It seems like the administration that awarded this contract was the PREPA, not anyone in the federal government.
 
The Don said:
Good to see that President Trump's handling of Puerto Rico and his attacks on a Gold Star family have actually seen his approval numbers rise somewhat in the GOP (albeit well within the margin of error): :rolleyes:

http://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

Is there literally nothing the man can do or say to shed any support whatsoever in his party ? :confused:
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More of a squabble with Mrs Johnson, largely blamed on congresswoman Wilson who the GOP will have no love for. Any mishandling in Puerto Rico, similarly, is easily overlooked. Puerto Rico is a 'they', not an 'us' to Trump and the GOP.
 
Mumbles said:
Could be the cost of getting competent workers out to the island and getting them shelter, plus the Jones Act (which should be scrapped), plus standard overhead.

Plus actual pay for the worker, of course That's only a fraction of the per hour charge...
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Travel expenses are usually accounted separately than the hourly charge, at least when we send out or bring in people they are. And for something long term like this it seems especially fishy. I would have expected something more like $150.
 
Stacko said:
Like Margaret Chase Smith's "Declaration of Conscience" address. Probably just as effective in the moment of history it was delivered in too. Flake was on the nose about the fever griping the Republican base.
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From Margaret Chase Smith's address

Yet to displace it with a Republican regime embracing a philosophy that lacks political integrity or intellectual honesty would prove equally disastrous to this nation. The nation sorely needs a Republican victory. But I don’t want to see the Republican Party ride to political victory on the Four Horsemen of Calumny -- Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry, and Smear.
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She didn't live to see it, but we have.
 
Mumbles said:
Could be the cost of getting competent workers out to the island and getting them shelter, plus the Jones Act (which should be scrapped), plus standard overhead.

Plus actual pay for the worker, of course That's only a fraction of the per hour charge...
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They had separate charges for shelter (and food).

Nope. I don't think that's it. Still too high.

(And I'm speaking as someone who has spent nearly all of his adult career in the construction industry.)
 
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