Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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BobTheCoward said:
He could have not called 99% of them. If he is sincere in his belief that he called virtually all of them (either because he can't remember or he was informed of so few) then it is not a lie.
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The commander in chief is one of the first to be told about casualties. There is no way he wasn't briefed. There is, however, a large chance that he instantly forgot.
 
BobTheCoward said:
He could have not called 99% of them. If he is sincere in his belief that he called virtually all of them (either because he can't remember or he was informed of so few) then it is not a lie.
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With accidents and enemy action it can't be more than 200 or so deaths this year at most, it was 67 combat deaths last year. That is not really a high number of phone calls to make in a given year. And I am not sure the sailors who died because their destroyer crashed into a container ship would even make the cut.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I didn't mean Wiki knows, I meant that it shouldn't be that hard for the Armed Services Committee to have an updated list.
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And I was pointing out that we can't say there were not more than 100 service people in the country before june, as there are thousands that are out of the US and not accounted for in any other theater there. So those numbers don't mean a whole lot with that many unassigned to any theater of operation.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The commander in chief is one of the first to be told about casualties. There is no way he wasn't briefed. There is, however, a large chance that he instantly forgot.
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But we also know that his briefings are kept very short and filled with praise and his name. It is possible he hasn't been informed of every casualty.
 
BobTheCoward said:
He could have not called 99% of them. If he is sincere in his belief that he called virtually all of them (either because he can't remember or he was informed of so few) then it is not a lie.
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And if we were talking about anyone but Trump, that might be plausible. Putting this however in the context of Trump's other actions you really have to be taking the mickey with comments like this.
 
ponderingturtle said:
And I was pointing out that we can't say there were not more than 100 service people in the country before june, as there are thousands that are out of the US and not accounted for in any other theater there. So those numbers don't mean a whole lot with that many unassigned to any theater of operation.
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I've looked at multiple sites, only found one saying recently 800 servicepersons were in Niger.

Surely if there were a lot of servicepersons there at least one source would have mentioned it.

But it's not relevant. There's no reason the Armed Services Committee doesn't have some sort of frequently updated report listing the locations of servicepersons.
 
It’s no secret that the U.S. military has ongoing operations in Niger and in neighboring countries. In February 2013, President Barack Obama told Congress, as required by the War Powers Resolution, that he had deployed approximately 100 American personnel to the country in order to run a drone surveillance outfit. In June 2017, President Donald Trump sent his own such letter, indicating that this number had increased more than six fold.

Those approximately 645 individuals “provide training and security assistance to the Nigerien Armed Forces, in their efforts to counter violent extremist organizations in the region,” U.S. Africa Command said in their second press release regarding the Tongo Tongo incident. The U.S. government has previously acknowledged this detail, too.
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/14923/what-you-need-to-know-about-why-u-s-special-operations-forces-are-in-niger

This is a pretty long piece about US involvement in Niger. It doesn't seem that anyone was hiding the fact that troops were there. The whole situation would have stayed in the back pages if Trump hadn't made his boast about calling every family and criticizing Obama and Bush.
Honestly, how many of us were aware that the US had troops in Niger? I sure wasn't.
 
FenerFan said:
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/14923/what-you-need-to-know-about-why-u-s-special-operations-forces-are-in-niger

This is a pretty long piece about US involvement in Niger. It doesn't seem that anyone was hiding the fact that troops were there. The whole situation would have stayed in the back pages if Trump hadn't made his boast about calling every family and criticizing Obama and Bush.
Honestly, how many of us were aware that the US had troops in Niger? I sure wasn't.
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No it came up when an operation went totally off the rails and killed 4 men, one of whom in basic traditions of the special forces was left behind because the contractors in charge of their extraction couldn't count to 12. Opps. That is the victory for the private sector.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I've looked at multiple sites, only found one saying recently 800 servicepersons were in Niger.

Surely if there were a lot of servicepersons there at least one source would have mentioned it.

But it's not relevant. There's no reason the Armed Services Committee doesn't have some sort of frequently updated report listing the locations of servicepersons.
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Lindsay Graham says he didn't know there are "more than 1,000" U.S. troops in Niger.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/10/22/gop_sen_lindsey_graham_i_had_no_idea_the_us_has_1000_troops_in_niger.html
 
BobTheCoward said:
Regardless if garrison said I said or not (he didn't) I'm going on record that I didn't.
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Well if you don't think this was plausible:


If he is sincere in his belief that he called virtually all of them (either because he can't remember or he was informed of so few) then it is not a lie.
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Why bring it up? Unless you really do have an uncontrollable need to try and divert the discussion every time Trump does something despicable.
 
FenerFan said:
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/14923/what-you-need-to-know-about-why-u-s-special-operations-forces-are-in-niger

This is a pretty long piece about US involvement in Niger. It doesn't seem that anyone was hiding the fact that troops were there. The whole situation would have stayed in the back pages if Trump hadn't made his boast about calling every family and criticizing Obama and Bush.
Honestly, how many of us were aware that the US had troops in Niger? I sure wasn't.
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I was not aware we had so many. I assumed it was a small (50 to 60 men)Training Mission,giver that Special Forces (the Green Berets) were involved.(Training and working with allies is the main mission for Special Forces) I suspect that most countries involved in combat with Islamic Militants have
I knew that Niger was pretty much in what France considers it's bailiwick in Africa and any heavy lifting would be done by France..probably involving The Foreign Legion,France's primary unit for this kind of mission.

I suspect there is not a African or Asian country fighting Islamic militants that has not have a US Training presence there.
 
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