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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Scorpion said:
Suffering can be the consequence of our making wrong actions. We do not have to do everything the hard way, it is our free choice.

The value of whatever we do is determined by our motives. But if you mean making people suffer to help them evolve, I doubt that defence would fly in a higher court.
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Your claim is that humans have to suffer to evolve, therefore suffering is in your spiritualism a good thing as it helps us evolve.

Like many people before you've come up with an ideology that is at its heart rotten and horrendous. The idea that people have to suffer to "progress" in your spiritualism, is abhorrent to me.
 
Scorpion said:
I have said several times that I first learned about the chakras and the etheric body, because I felt feelings like fire flowing through them. I saw a diagram of the seven main chakras in a book and immediately recognised them as the places where I had felt the fire. The chakras are energy centers in the etheric body that link the spirit body to the physical body.
I also felt feelings like electric cobwebs floating over my skin, and a sudden noise felt like a shock in the cobweb.
The problem also effected my mind and I could not concentrate and my thoughts raced out of control. I felt I could not grip my thoughts.

Eventually a medium told me the reason I felt these things was my etheric body was loose, so I had a lot of healing and eventually the problem was cured.
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Baloney.
Demonstrate that "chakras" exist. You cannot.
Demonstrate that "etheric bodies" exist. You cannot.
Demonstrate that "chakras" are a link from anything to anything.

You felt no "fire" you simply thought you did, and that is evidence of nothing, it isn't even evidence.

"Electric cobwebs" is a trivial effect to induce at will in a gullible subject, I have done it. A sudden noise is trivially going to cause tangible effects.

"Couldn't get a grip of your thoughts" is simply a symptom of the very illness you claimed to have.

And at the end, you simply accepted the word of a crank.

Sorry, but that is utter bollocks. I wasted enough of my life investigating such nonsense. Be under no illusion that you can pull any wool over my eyes or anyone else's.
 
Scorpion said:
They grow up until maturity, but they cannot advance much in the spirit world.
To do that they have to seek another incarnation.

I had a message from a brother that died in the war as a baby and the medium said, "I have got your brother here, he looks exactly like you"
Since I was in my early twenty's at the time its clear he grew up from a baby.
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Your brother died as a baby but his spirit looked like that of a grown man? A grown man in his prime no doubt.:boxedin:

We could extend this then to zygotes. They would appear as spirits resembling the person they would become after they had progressed from their single cell existence. Filled that gap for you.:)

Now another small detail.

What if a medium is trying to contact a spirit of a departed one but that spirit has since taken up residence in a new body? Will the spirit appear, and if so what would he/she look like?
 
Thor 2 said:
What if a medium is trying to contact a spirit of a departed one but that spirit has since taken up residence in a new body? Will the spirit appear, and if so what would he/she look like?
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Obviously a spirit that reincarnates cannot be contacted by a medium.
They are no longer in the spirit world.
 
Darat said:
Your claim is that humans have to suffer to evolve, therefore suffering is in your spiritualism a good thing as it helps us evolve.

Like many people before you've come up with an ideology that is at its heart rotten and horrendous. The idea that people have to suffer to "progress" in your spiritualism, is abhorrent to me.
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It takes a lot to change a soul, and intense experiences are needed. If we stayed in the spirit world we would not suffer, but neither would we grow.
 
So to sum it up: The universe is all about us. It all exists to make us into perfect beings. Even the things that appear to be really bad are actually there for our own good.

Sounds to me like the philosophy of a child, unable to accept harsh reality.
 
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jrhowell said:
So to sum it up: The universe is all about us. It all exists to make us into perfect beings. Even the things that appear to be really bad are actually there for own own good.

Sounds to me like the philosophy of a child, unable to accept harsh reality.
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+1
 
Looking at some of the "wisdom" of Silver Birch, I see this:

Olive Lodge is a good example of a spiritual scientist with an awareness of states of reality existing beyond the surface.
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Well, we have to imagine that that's a transcription error and Birch actually means Oliver Lodge. Unfortunately for Birch...

Magician John Booth noted that the stage mentalist David Devant managed to fool a number of people into believing he had genuine psychic ability who did not realize that his feats were magic tricks. At St. George's Hall, London he performed a fake "clairvoyant" act where he would read a message sealed inside an envelope. Lodge who was present in the audience was duped by the trick and claimed that Devant had used psychic powers. In 1936, Devant in his book Secrets of My Magic revealed the trick method he had used.

Lodge had endorsed a clairvoyant medium known as "Annie Brittain". However, she made entirely incorrect guesses about a policeman who was disguised as a farmer. She was arrested and convicted for fraudulent fortune telling. Joseph McCabe wrote a skeptical book on the Spiritualist beliefs of Lodge entitled The Religion of Sir Oliver Lodge (1914).
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Perhaps his judgement on such matters wasn't as good as Birch would like it to be?
 
Scorpion said:
The angels of karma determine what we deserve and send us into lives where we reap what we have sowed. We may agree to that before the incarnation, because in the end we are our own judges.

There has to be some kind of administration to control our karma, and it is the angels job. God remains perfect above everything.
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Hi! I'm jumping in here at the tail end of a long thread. I have two questions regarding the above statement:
  • "God remains perfect above everything." Please tell me more about God: a single being, or multiple? Male, female, or non-gendered? Omniscient? Omnipresent? Is this the same God depicted in the Bible and Quran?
  • "... and it is the angels job." As above: please tell me more about these angels. Administering the karma of 7 billion people--and who knows how many souls there are in total--must be quite the task. How many angels are needed for this? As more souls get created (recall, there are now over 7 billion of them) do more angels come into existence to help with administration? Or is it the same number of angels there were 5,000 years ago, and they're now hoplessly overburdened?
In addition, is there a difference between a "spirit" and a "soul"?
 
Blue Mountain said:
Hi! I'm jumping in here at the tail end of a long thread. I have two questions regarding the above statement:
  • "God remains perfect above everything." Please tell me more about God: a single being, or multiple? Male, female, or non-gendered? Omniscient? Omnipresent? Is this the same God depicted in the Bible and Quran?
  • "... and it is the angels job." As above: please tell me more about these angels. Administering the karma of 7 billion people--and who knows how many souls there are in total--must be quite the task. How many angels are needed for this? As more souls get created (recall, there are now over 7 billion of them) do more angels come into existence to help with administration? Or is it the same number of angels there were 5,000 years ago, and they're now hoplessly overburdened?
In addition, is there a difference between a "spirit" and a "soul"?
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The spirits speak of God as the great spirit who is present everywhere in everything and in us. So such a being is above gender and does not have a body as we would think of one. God may be called upon by any name, but we cannot know what he is with our limited minds, therefore no religion has a handle on God. The God the spirits speak of is certainly not the wrathful monster of the old testament nor the sadistic maniac of the Quran.

I have no idea how many angels there are but it follows that there are enough for the job in hand, as it would not be a perfect divine plan if there were not.
But I think there are far more than 7 billion souls in existence as the spirits say there are many other inhabited planets, and there are countless other spirits in the higher planes of existence.

Soul or spirit are interchangeable words in the dictionary, as they both speak of the immaterial part of man.
 
Scorpion said:
The spirits speak of God as the great spirit who is present everywhere in everything and in us. So such a being is above gender and does not have a body as we would think of one. God may be called upon by any name, but we cannot know what he is with our limited minds, therefore no religion has a handle on God. The God the spirits speak of is certainly not the wrathful monster of the old testament nor the sadistic maniac of the Quran.

I have no idea how many angels there are but it follows that there are enough for the job in hand, as it would not be a perfect divine plan if there were not.
But I think there are far more than 7 billion souls in existence as the spirits say there are many other inhabited planets, and there are countless other spirits in the higher planes of existence.

Soul or spirit are interchangeable words in the dictionary, as they both speak of the immaterial part of man.
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Just so. Just so.
 
Scorpion said:
The spirits speak of God as the great spirit who is present everywhere in everything and in us. So such a being is above gender and does not have a body as we would think of one. God may be called upon by any name, but we cannot know what he is with our limited minds, therefore no religion has a handle on God. The God the spirits speak of is certainly not the wrathful monster of the old testament nor the sadistic maniac of the Quran.
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The question remains. How do you know this?

Scorpion said:
I have no idea how many angels there are but it follows that there are enough for the job in hand, as it would not be a perfect divine plan if there were not.
But I think there are far more than 7 billion souls in existence as the spirits say there are many other inhabited planets, and there are countless other spirits in the higher planes of existence.
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How do you know this? There are insufficient angels? For anything? Cannot you god simply make more? Apparently not.

Scorpion said:
Soul or spirit are interchangeable words in the dictionary, as they both speak of the immaterial part of man.
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You mean that part you cannot and refuse to demonstrate is even real? Like the "etheric body"? a concept that you propose, yet run a mile from when challenged?
 
abaddon said:
The question remains. How do you know this?
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I say mostly what I have learned from spirit teachers in trance lectures.

abaddon said:
How do you know this? There are insufficient angels? For anything? Cannot you god simply make more? Apparently not.?
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There must be enough angels or the divine plan would not be perfect.

abaddon said:
You mean that part you cannot and refuse to demonstrate is even real? Like the "etheric body"? a concept that you propose, yet run a mile from when challenged?
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I remain certain that I could feel my etheric body when it was out of alignment, all though I don't feel much now. I obviously cannot prove this.
 
Quote from, porpoise of life
"But basically, because you're saying the spirits are not supposed to allow proof of their doings to even exist, there is no way to distinguish between the work of a spirit, a lie, a mistake, a delusion, or random chance."

If we open ourselves to the possibility of inspiration from higher worlds we may get guidance, but to determine if it is from the spirit world or not is a subtle game.
 
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