Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories V: Five for Fighting

[HSienzant]

Ok so it looks like most of you realize that the anti-EOP stance is a sinking ship, so you guys plug your ears and scream to yourself "the autopsy doctors concluded two shots fired from behind!".

Hilarious. I guess you're in full fringe reset mode at this point.

At a base level, we know that's what they thought. That's exactly what they recorded in the autopsy.

You can read it for yourself.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-09.pdf

The wounds were inflicted from behind and above. See page six.

Guess what, we don't even know that's what they really thought. There is evidence that the autopsy doctors exhausted a variety of scenarios, including a EOP-throat connection, before arriving to the current official story. It doesn't mean that's what they personally thought.

That's what they reported and that's what they testified to. You're not a mind-reader, but here you are, expecting us to believe you somehow know they weren't telling the truth in their autopsy.

You've come full circle from quoting the autopsy doctors recollections from decades after the fact to try to prove your argument. Now you're suggesting they must have been lying from the get-go, all to keep your fantasy wounds alive. There's a logical contradiction in your varying arguments you now must address and attempt to explain away.

We don't know what they're hiding.

Or even if they are hiding anything, but that's apparently that's the ball you've picked up and you're going to be running with now.

Remember before how I demonstrated that the autopsy doctors probably lied about only discovering the truth about the throat wound until the day after the autopsy?

No, I don't remember that. I remember you trying to argue that point, only to have it smashed back into your court.

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

Do we really have to keep going over this?

Here if the official HSCA interpretation of this photograph, which depicts an apparently empty cranium of John F. Kennedy that still somehow has an interpreted entry wound and a beveled exit that are only anatomically five inches apart. The government wants us to believe that the entire brain was somehow removed from a high-inch skull cavity.

No, the autopsy report does say the scalp wound was extended IN THE CORONAL PLANE before the brain was removed.

Those are the only incisions noted to the head in the autopsy report.

Do research to determine what this means, and get back to us when you understand the point made.

Is this the fifth or sixth time the words coronal plane have been pointed out to you?

Autopsy report, page 5: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-09.pdf

Definition of coronal plane: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_plane

Is there even evidence that it's possible to delicately remove a human brain without removing some occipital bone?

Yes, the skull was badly fractured by the bullet passing through it, making it relatively easy to remove the brain by cutting the scalp only. Also the fifth or sixth time you're ignoring this information.

I don't think there's a way to properly sever the tentorium cerebelli by reaching your hands underneath the brain from the frontal end.

You're not an expert. Nobody cares what you think.

You would also have to sever the brainstem. Removing a brain also typically involves being able to fit your fingers under the temporal areas. Any alleged cowlick entry wound could not remain intact in the skull bone while doing all of that.

You and which forensic pathologists say that? Oh, it's just you.

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

Like I said, I can't see, from the evidence he posts, how Micha Java reaches his conclusions. I can't see any document suggesting only a five inch hole was used, and have no idea why he assumes it is the case.

He's assuming it. He has to assume it, and avoid all references and testimony to the contrary, because without that assumption, he has no argument.

He ignores the dotted line above the right ear in the very drawing he shows us, that shows the wound with that piece of fractured skull pulled back is much larger that it is with the piece of skull in place. He ignores the comminuted fractures of the skull, and the fact that only scalp cuts were necessary to remove the brain, exactly as noted in the autopsy report.

It's really that simple. He's closing his eyes, singing "La La La I can't hear you!" as loud as he can every time we mention the contrary evidence.

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

In photographs, the red spot on the scalp exposed by the parted long hairs appears to be at least two inches above the EOP, but not quite high enough to correlate with the defect on the X-ray 4-5 inches above the EOP.

Again, you and what forensic pathologists say this?

Oh, it's just YOU.

Nobody cares what you think. This isn't about opinions. This is about evidence.

Learn the difference.

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

Oh wow what a brilliant argument, they just cut the skull in a silly way to avoid separating the beveled wounds. Except the autopsy doctors found that the area around the large head wound was so badly damaged that they had to do virtually no work with a saw to create a large enough skull cavity.

Right, except for the words 'silly', and "except" which I excised for you. You pretend the two sentences conflict, but they don't.

The autopsy report says coronal cuts to the scalp were the only incisions made to the head, and this was done to examine the brain.

You are so close to understanding the point. Looks like it's time for a fringe reset and a change of subject.

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

Asked and answered then?

I always take longer than you to get to the point. I need to work on that.

Hank

 

[Tomtomkent]

I always take longer than you to get to the point. I need to work on that.

Hank

Yes, because you are more usually right than me, and are in the habit of supporting your points with actual evidence.

 

[bknight]

Indeed the autopsy report contains the following passages Page 4:

Received as separate specimens from Dallas, Texas are three fragments of skull bone which in aggregate roughly approximate the dimensions of the large defect described above. At one angle of the largest of these fragments is a portion of the perimeter of a roughly circular wound presumably of exit which exhibits beveling of the outer aspect of the bone and is estimated to measure approximately 2.5 to 3.0 cm. in diameter.

Page 6

SUMMARY: Based on the above observations it is our opinion that the deceased died as a result of two perforating gunshot wounds inflicted by high velocity projectiles fired by a person or persons unknown. The projectiles were fired from a point behind and some-what above the level of the deceased. The observations and available information do not permit a satisfactory estimate as to the sequence of the two wounds. (The other described in the back)

Seems fairly clear that all the doctors who signed the document, had an opportunity to submit an exception based on his examination and none did that. So the verdict still stands and it is up to MJ to discover some evidence to contrary and not some ideas by CTs.

 

[MicahJava]

Again, you and what forensic pathologists say this?

Oh, it's just YOU.

Nobody cares what you think. This isn't about opinions. This is about evidence.

Learn the difference.

Hank

Um, all you have to do is look at photographs of live Kennedy's hair. His EOP is in the hairline, but more towards where the longer hair starts.

 

[bknight]

Yes, because you Hank are more usually right than me, and are in the habit of supporting your points with actual evidence.

I can almost always see links to such evidence.

 

[bknight]

Um, all you have to do is look at photographs of live Kennedy's hair. His EOP is in the hairline, but more towards where the longer hair starts.

From the autopsy report page 3-4

c. From the left margin of the main defect across the midline antero-laterally for a distance of approximately 8 cm.(Referencing scalp defect tears)

d. From the same starting point as c. 10 cm. postero-laterally. Situated in the posterior scalp approximately 2.5 cm. laterally to the right and slightly above the external occipital protuberance is a lacerated wound measuring 15 x 6 mm. In the underlying bone is a corresponding wound through the skull which exhibits beveling of the margins of the bone viewed from the inner aspect of the skull.

Your analysis of the image is incorrect as usual, reference the language of the autopsy.

 

[HSienzant]

In photographs, the red spot on the scalp exposed by the parted long hairs appears to be at least two inches above the EOP, but not quite high enough to correlate with the defect on the X-ray 4-5 inches above the EOP.

Again, you and what forensic pathologists say this?

Oh, it's just YOU.

Nobody cares what you think. This isn't about opinions. This is about evidence.

Learn the difference.

Um, all you have to do is look at photographs of live Kennedy's hair. His EOP is in the hairline, but more towards where the longer hair starts.

Wow. Never have I found someone so intent on proving me correct. I told you this is about evidence, not your opinion, and advised you to learn the difference.

You still haven't. You once more tell me your opinion.

Already addressed that point: Nobody cares what your opinion is. Cite the evidence.

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

Wait, are you trying to say that someone shot JFK besides Oswald?

Two men with rifles couldn't fit in the sniper's nest.

That's me pretending to be a conspiracy theorist and deliberately misinterpreting your point merely to prolong the conversation.

Being a CT is, like, so easy.

Actually studying the evidence and determining the truth, hard.

Hank

 

[Axxman300]

Do we really have to keep going over this?

Until you learn to read.

Here if the official HSCA interpretation of this photograph, which depicts an apparently empty cranium of John F. Kennedy that still somehow has an interpreted entry wound and a beveled exit that are only anatomically five inches apart. The government wants us to believe that the entire brain was somehow removed from a high-inch skull cavity.

What's a high-inch skull cavity?

And no, the government doesn't want you to believe the brain was removed through a five inch hole in the skull. This didn't happen. Humes sawed the skull cap off on the left side, and worked around the heavily shattered right side to remove the brain. He has testified to this under oath.

There is no mystery.

Is there even evidence that it's possible to delicately remove a human brain without removing some occipital bone? I don't think there's a way to properly sever the tentorium cerebelli by reaching your hands underneath the brain from the frontal end. You would also have to sever the brainstem. Removing a brain also typically involves being able to fit your fingers under the temporal areas.

You're clearly not a doctor.

Any alleged cowlick entry wound could not remain intact in the skull bone while doing all of that.

You're clearly not a doctor.

 

[Axxman300]

Oh wow what a brilliant argument, they just cut the skull in a silly way to avoid separating the beveled wounds. Except the autopsy doctors found that the area around the large head wound was so badly damaged that they had to do virtually no work with a saw to create a large enough skull cavity.

This is a lie.

It is a lie because we have posted links TWICE to Humes detailing the removal of the brain.

 

[Axxman300]

Ok so it looks like most of you realize that the anti-EOP stance is a sinking ship, so you guys plug your ears and scream to yourself "the autopsy doctors concluded two shots fired from behind!".

Actually, we're too busy laughing.

Guess what, we don't even know that's what they really thought.

We do. We have multiple sworn statements that the shots came from above and behind JFK.

There is evidence that the autopsy doctors exhausted a variety of scenarios, including a EOP-throat connection, before arriving to the current official story.

There is no evidence of this. They checked with Parkland and were informed of the tracheotomy. Nobody thought it was an exit wound from the head.

It doesn't mean that's what they personally thought.

All that matters is the record, and that is clear.

We don't know what they're hiding.

BS. You're a CT nutjob, you assume they're hiding something, and you have no proof. No one does.

Remember before how I demonstrated that the autopsy doctors probably lied about only discovering the truth about the throat wound until the day after the autopsy?

See, you haven't demonstrated anything other than limited internet access.

The doctors didn't lie. The fiber evidence from the coat, shirt, and necktie all point to an entry in the upper back and exiting through the throat.

You want a conspiracy, but you're too lazy to find one. You bring CT's in here that are 40 years old and beaten to death, and wonder why we don't take you seriously. You have no original ideas on the subject, you refuse to learn objective facts (like what a 6.5x52mm round can do, and what a subsonic 9mm or .45 cannot do). When cornered you reset back to page one like we haven't already torn your theory to pieces.

 

[HSienzant]

#as expected.

MicahJava vanishes. He'll be back to argue anew with the same old fringe reset waiting in the wings.

When asked to support his opinion, he just offered more of his opinion.

He made a number of assertions, and when challenged, could not - and did not, despite constant reminders - support any of them with evidence.

Hank

 

[Dave Rogers]

To be fair, he's busier now, because he's got the added responsibility of doing precisely the same thing in the 9/11 forum.

Dave

 

[RoboTimbo]

Um, all you have to do is look at photographs of live Kennedy's hair. His EOP is in the hairline, but more towards where the longer hair starts.

So what were the autopsy findings? Not your opinion, which is worthless.

 

[MicahJava]

Why do you LNers pretend to not understand that the HSCA interpretation of the skull photographs is physically impossible? That's a whole brain that they said somehow fit through a five-inch skull cavity. The only way that could be the true interpretation of the photographs is if they placed a previously-separated portion of the skull back, but that contradicts all witness statements on the photographing of the skull.