General 9/11 Conspiracy Discussion

MicahJava said:
Just to be clear, what is the official story on the fireballs reported by Ron DiFrancesco and Carol Martin? Is it where the pressure from the collapsing upper floors shot down the office fires and then they came out like a jet from the ground floor?
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I assume that you are speaking of the so-called squibs. Such jets of air would have been expected due to the laws of physics.
 
skyeagle409 said:
Firefighters knew that WTC 7 was going to collapse based on the sounds of structural weakening heard within the building as fires continue to rage out of control, which is why a decision was made to pull them away from the building.
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Actually, they were told by an "engineer" at around 11:30 AM that WTC 7 would collapse "in five or six hours". I don't know for sure if there was creaking at that time, but a lot of things can cause creaking, and that can not be used to justify such bizarrely precise advanced knowledge.
 
MicahJava said:
That's not even half of the important stuff, and what that comment did address is only "refuted" with BS. For example, they imply that explosions that cause fire were not seen with the WTC. We know this is false. Want witnesses who saw fireballs DURING THE ACTUAL COLLAPSE shooting out of the ground floors? Look no further than Ron DeFranceso or reporter Carol Martin. DeFrancesco even had the burns to prove it!

The NFPA 921 does not have legal power, it's just a collection of the bare minimum of what you can do. And they didn't even follow that for the worst disaster ever!
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Once again, there were no explosives from explosives and the squibs seen as the WTC buildings are typical from compressed air as these photos show and note the ejection of dust plumes as the buildings collapse, which have nothing to do with explosives and I might add that the Verinage demolition does not use explosives.


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heymatto70 said:
I think TV also makes people think that when an object (lets say, oh, an airplane) travels at fast speeds and impacts something hard (like reinforced concrete on the Pentagon, just off the top of my head) it's supposed to cut out a hole the exact size and shape of a plane, just like Wile E Coyote does.
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Well, then you also have the people who claim it's impossible for an aluminum plane (that they seem to imagine has the structrual integrity of a beer can) couldn't possibly penetrate the steel perimeter columns building at all, not withstanding that it was moving several hundred miles per hour, as well as the people who think that falling debris couldn't cause a collapse after it has broken into pieces (or "been destroyed").

Much of trutherism is based on a woeful lack of understanding of simple physics.
 
MicahJava said:
Since the official government investigation on WTC 7 has not only been proven to be inadequate, but actual scientific fraud, every liar's attitude is now literally "oh well, talking about it on the internet is good enough". Nice one. How many thousands are we at from 9/11-related deaths?
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You are skipping over how the very organization you are referencing has full faith in the NIST Report. I especially liked Beachnut's post how NFPA codes were changed because of the NIST Report.

You cannot claim NIST did an inadequate investigation by citing NFPA 921 when the NFPA themselves state you are wrong.
 
MicahJava said:
If you don't know about the case of Ron DiFrancesco, here is a compilation of all of his statements:

https://www.reddit.com/r/911TruthWiki/comments/401lw4/ron_difrancesco/
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That has been debunked many times in the past. Now, watch these videos and provide the time lines where demolition explosions are heard and failing to do so will prove my case that the collapse of the WTC buildings had nothing to do with explosives.



WTC 1 Collapse Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh4r-gHdyPU


WTC 2 Collapse Videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SSS0DDqfm0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGAofwkAOlo


WTC 7 Collapse Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A
 
cantonear1968 said:
I can't get any of them to explain how Erin played a role. They just reference it and go "There. All the power you need.".

Was Erin supposedly controlled by HAARP as you say and blew the Towers down? Or did they run an extension cord from Erin to the Death Star? I can't get anyone to answer that question.
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Well, there is certainly a lot of energy in a hurricane, but I'm not sure how they imagine it can be harnessed on command: Millions of portable wind turbines maybe?
 
MicahJava said:
Actually, they were told by an "engineer" at around 11:30 AM that WTC 7 would collapse "in five or six hours". I don't know for sure if there was creaking at that time, but a lot of things can cause creaking, and that can not be used to justify such bizarrely precise advanced knowledge.
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Firefighters knew that the steel structure of WTC 7 was weakening. Not only did they hear the sounds of structural weakening, but they also saw that WTC 7 was buckling from the fires, which was another important clue that the building would eventually collapse.
 
skyeagle409 said:
Firefighters knew that the steel structure of WTC 7 was weakening. Not only did they hear the sounds of structural weakening, but they also saw that WTC 7 was buckling from the fires, which was another important clue that the building would eventually collapse.
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Yes I believe this is in the NIST WTC7 Report. Firefighters were examining the building at this time and knew it was in distress.
 
MicahJava said:
Whenever the NFPA 921 is brought up, liars resort to quote mining and BS "technicalities" to argue that the worst fire-related disaster in history doesn't deserve the best investigation.
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Lets be clear, the fire ball was due to fire, not explosives. No body saw an explosion due to explosives on 9/11. Thus the FBI, NIST, FEMA, and all the rational studies got it right, and did not find explosives as the cause of anything on 9/11.

Thus discussion of NFPA 921 Guidelines were followed because there was no evidence for explosives, thermite, or beam weapons on 9/11; those claims are delusional opinions based on nonsense.
 
skyeagle409 said:
Firefighters knew that the steel structure of WTC 7 was weakening. Not only did they hear the sounds of structural weakening, but they also saw that WTC 7 was buckling from the fires, which was another important clue that the building would eventually collapse.
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the fdny put a surveyor's transit on wtc7 so they could track the buckling caused by unfought fires
 
MicahJava said:
Whenever the NFPA 921 is brought up, liars resort to quote mining and BS "technicalities" to argue that the worst fire-related disaster in history doesn't deserve the best investigation.
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Since that's not true, one might wonder who the liars actually are. But again, you're not making affirmative claims, so this is merely noise. Did you actually have anything substantive to offer?

Dave
 
MicahJava said:
Just to be clear, what is the official story on the fireballs reported by Ron DiFrancesco and Carol Martin?
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Nobody cares about your fictitious "official story"; there is simply what happened. The "official story" is an invention of conspiracy theorists to form a convenient but spurious framework for Just Asking Questions.

Dave
 
MicahJava said:
Since the official government investigation on WTC 7 has not only been proven to be inadequate, but actual scientific fraud,
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This is a lie. No such proof has been offered; truthers have just been coached to pretend it has and aren't intelligent or independent minded enough to question it.

Dave
 
skyeagle409 said:
That has been debunked many times in the past. Now, watch these videos and provide the time lines where demolition explosions are heard and failing to do so will prove my case that the collapse of the WTC buildings had nothing to do with explosives.



WTC 1 Collapse Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh4r-gHdyPU


WTC 2 Collapse Videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SSS0DDqfm0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGAofwkAOlo


WTC 7 Collapse Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A
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Are you a bot? You didn't respond to the Ron DiFrancesco stuff at all. He was injured by a fiery explosion while escaping from the South Tower. He had the burns to prove it.

On the sounds of explosions issue, it is a matter of historical fact that WTC 7 emitted a loud percussive noise which was louder than the rest of the collapse itself. One witness described it as a "clap of thunder". It appears at the same time in the CBS video and the Ashley Banfield video.
 
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