Proof of Immortality, VI

[Belz...]

In fact since Jabba introduced the idea of the soul lottery making his existence unlikely and therefore the metaphysics under which said lottery operates equally unlikely, doesn't that make the idea of the soul the unlikely one? I mean, under H there is no such lottery, and no souls to be picked from. The self you get just arises from whatever you get, so likelihood is irrelevant.

For some reason I didn't spot that before, but jabba's been arguing against spiritualism this whole time.

 

[carlitos]

Thank jah it's Friday.

Adiós, Jabba. Vaya con diós.

 

[zooterkin]

- Yeah. We probably are done.

No 'probably' about it, you have admitted failure.. If you want to discuss something other than your 'proof' of immortality, please start a new thread.

 

[jond]

In fact since Jabba introduced the idea of the soul lottery making his existence unlikely and therefore the metaphysics under which said lottery operates equally unlikely, doesn't that make the idea of the soul the unlikely one? I mean, under H there is no such lottery, and no souls to be picked from. The self you get just arises from whatever you get, so likelihood is irrelevant.

For some reason I didn't spot that before, but jabba's been arguing against spiritualism this whole time.

Yup. At which point Jabba then goes back to insisting that we're missing something in H. (Just a day or so after acknowledging that H doesn't include a soul or anything like it...)

 

[zooterkin]

In fact since Jabba introduced the idea of the soul lottery making his existence unlikely and therefore the metaphysics under which said lottery operates equally unlikely, doesn't that make the idea of the soul the unlikely one? I mean, under H there is no such lottery, and no souls to be picked from. The self you get just arises from whatever you get, so likelihood is irrelevant.

For some reason I didn't spot that before, but jabba's been arguing against spiritualism this whole time.

I may be wrong, but I think that's one of the things Mojo has been trying to point out to Jabba.

 

[Belz...]

I may be wrong, but I think that's one of the things Mojo has been trying to point out to Jabba.

Somewhat, but from a different angle. IIRC mojo has been saying that the combo of body+soul is more unlikely than just body. What I'm saying is that jabba's concept of unlikelihood doesn't even apply to just body.

 

[JayUtah]

I may be wrong, but I think that's one of the things Mojo has been trying to point out to Jabba.

A lot of people have been pointing that out. It's covered under Fatal Flaw #2 on the list Jabba can't answer.

 

[Jabba]

Thank jah it's Friday

Adiós, Jabba. Vaya con diós.

Carlitos,
- Muchas gracias, y tener una buena vida.

 

[Belz...]

Carlitos,
- Muchas gracias, y tener una buena vida.

Are you done or not?

 

[Filippo Lippi]

He's done presenting evidence for his claim

 

[CriticalThanking]

I can't remember if this has been asked before. Has Jabba been introduced to DoronShadmi and his ideas of modes of thinking limiting ability to understand mathematics?

"Once more your partial use of your brain skills (their verbal-symbolic-only skills) fails to comprehend awareness that links visual_spatial AND verbal_symbolic brain skills into one comprehensive realm that is aware of itself and it is not the sum of its expressions. "

and

"You simply can't comprehend it by partially using your brain skills, and as a result it is always a part of your future (your "I will ..." is the best that you currently can get)."​

[ETA]Can't forget this one:
"Any way, the model of Möbius strip naturally demonstrates the linkage among being aware of one thing at once (the visual_spatial brain skill) as the substance of being aware of multiple things step-by-step (the verbal_symbolic brain skill)."

 

[Dancing David]

- Yeah. We probably are done.

- It appears that this perception originates in the holistic hemisphere, and that either the analytic hemisphere is "transcendence-blind" or the holistic hemisphere hallucinates.

Hi jabba,
Easy enough to deal with perception is studied all the time, the whole brain BTW all the time.

Neurology studies it all the time as does psychology.

Now wanting fantasy to be true is another issue.

 

[Dancing David]

- I think that I sense it.

Hi Jabba,
We can talk brains and neurology and the psychology of perception all the time.

Did you know about confabulation or how your brain makes up the visual field in the blind spot.

It is fascinating stuff, and that is just the hard science stuff, much less socially influenced perceptions and emotions.

 

[Loss Leader]

- Yeah. We probably are done.

Jabba -

I wish you well. I'm very glad to see you leaving this mess. It means, I hope, that you will use this new free time to educate yourself about world religions, statistics, logical argument and so much more. I desire nothing other, when we see you again, to here about your new perspectives.

It appears that this perception originates in the holistic hemisphere, and that either the analytic hemisphere is "transcendence-blind" or the holistic hemisphere hallucinates.

This would be a great place for you to start. Your understanding of the brain is out of date by a few decades. The left and right hemispheres do not divide work in the way you described. Newer insights would be very useful to you.

- Thanks for your time.

You have nothing but my fondest farewell.

 

[Spektator]

He's done presenting evidence for his claim

Huh. Here I've been lurking for years waiting for him to begin.

 

[The Sparrow]

He has claimed that he was 'done' before, only to resume his activity a few weeks later. I predict the discussion will continue. The introduction of this new 'dimension' thing is good for 1000 posts or so.

 

[carlitos]

Guys, please resist the temptation to taunt him out of retirement, beetlejuice-style. I admire the focus and persistence that drove the recent devolution of this debate to its ignominious end. Any resurrection of this topic would be an unsatisfying sequel. Just my 2 cents.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Guys, please resist the temptation to taunt him out of retirement, beetlejuice-style. I admire the focus and persistence that drove the recent devolution of this debate to its ignominious end. Any resurrection of this topic would be an unsatisfying sequel. Just my 2 cents.

I don't disagree per se, but I for one am not going to pretend that Jabba hasn't admitted multiple times that his goal here was not to win an argument with us per se, but to mine enough quotes out of us for him to create a fictional narrative of him winning the debate for him to post elsewhere and I do wonder if that is still his goal.

Ending the discussion here was never going to be the end in his original plan.

 

[John Jones]

Guys, please resist the temptation to taunt him out of retirement, beetlejuice-style. I admire the focus and persistence that drove the recent devolution of this debate to its ignominious end. Any resurrection of this topic would be an unsatisfying sequel. Just my 2 cents.

OK.

 

[The Sparrow]

Guys, please resist the temptation to taunt him out of retirement, beetlejuice-style. I admire the focus and persistence that drove the recent devolution of this debate to its ignominious end. Any resurrection of this topic would be an unsatisfying sequel. Just my 2 cents.

OH come on. Secretly we love it. It's rewarding and satisfying to exercise your debunking skills against such a slippery, obtuse, constantly evolving 'argument'.
Jabba posts and immediately gets a flurry of eager responses; myself included. It is like watching a car wreck.