Ed Clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham Part 3

[xjx388]

Here's a relevant excerpt from an NPR review of her book:

Likewise, Clinton is contrite at times, stating that she takes responsibility for her loss: "I do think it's fair to say there was a fundamental mismatch between how I approach politics and what a lot of the country wanted to hear in 2016," she writes, in response to the question of whether she was "doomed from the start."

But statements like that throw into sharp relief the things she isn't sorry for.

"When I said, 'You could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables,' I was talking about well-documented reality," she writes, going on to cite a survey showing that around half of white Republicans had racist attitudes toward blacks.

And while Clinton is sorry that she made a mistake — "I regret handing Trump a political gift with my 'deplorables' comment" — she is not sorry for the sentiment itself: "Too many of Trump's core supporters do hold views that I find — there's no other word for it — deplorable."

This kind of "I'm sorry for this, but not that" moments are plentiful in What Happened. Clinton addresses the accusation that her campaign had no clear message for struggling Americans: "We can debate whether my economic message was effective, but you can't claim I didn't have one." Or as she says of her decision to use a private email server (her emails get a whole chapter): "It was a dumb mistake. But an even dumber scandal."

So no, she doesn't really take full responsibility for her loss. It comes down to: "Yes, I made some mistakes but my mistakes were all blown out of proportion."

 

[plague311]

No, the "whole article" was showing how Hillary's claim in her fictional book that the State Department IT knew about her cowboy server was yet another lie.

If you call it fictional, then why in the world do you even care if there are claims that are false? Shouldn't you EXPECT there to be lies? The cost of her book is dropping, so I'm assuming pretty much no one cares about this. You're just stuck on beating this dead horse. I have no idea why.

With regards to them not knowing. They know she used a blackberry, they know she used it for email, it should be pretty easy to connect.

By the way, the claim that they "tore" the server apart is a Clinton level lie, given that they intentionally wiped it, with Bleach Bit. You remember that right, of course you do because I posted it right here in this thread.

Yeah, I do. Unlike you, I work in the industry so I find absolutely nothing strange about this at all. I'm also not at all surprised that Hillary was confused. We don't even scrub our hard drives where I work. We drill a hole in them and throw them away. Then again, storage isn't really as expensive as it was 8ish years ago. Moore's Law in effect.

I can't even say how many times a day I hear people use the wrong terminology for things. RAM for storage, DVI/HMDI/VGA all as VGA, and much worse than that. This is from people in their mid-30s, not a 70 year old woman. There's just, zero shock for me there.

and when she was asked about it, the disingenuous loser said "what? like with a cloth?"

and you just repeated that repeatedly exposed lie. Huh..

You are completely, and entirely incapable of seeing it any other way. No matter what happens, you're convinced. It's confirmation bias in it's purest form.

If you worked with people in the IT field every day I think you'd have more of an understanding. I don't think it would change your opinion, because there is NOTHING that will do that.

 

[The Big Dog]

They've looked at the logs, they've torn the server apart, and there is absolutely no evidence in any way, shape or form that the server has been compromised.

I'll wait.

By the way, the claim that they "tore" the server apart is a Clinton level lie, given that they intentionally wiped it, with Bleach Bit.

Yeah, I do. Unlike you, I work in the industry so I find absolutely nothing strange about this at all. I'm also not at all surprised that Hillary was confused.

Unlike you, I work in the moving goal posts industry so I find absolutely nothing strange at all about how when you claimed that they "they've torn the server apart" and I proved that claim to be utterly false you completely moved the goalposts as fast and as hard as possible.

If you worked with people in the moving goal posts field every day I think you'd have more of an understanding of how you just got caught repeating a lie and then completely ignored it.

By the way, which is more pathetic, that Hillary really was confused and thought they used a cloth, or that "what with a cloth" was her idea of a witty comeback?

Trick question, they are both equally pathetic.

 

[davefoc]

Confirmation bias much?

I like you Dave, even though we don't agree on everything but I honestly don't believe you've ever given Hillary Clinton an honest look.

I don't know I voted for her in the primary and the general election. It is very hard for me to understand how Clinton could have excoriated the Republicans for their email practices and then turn around and do something similar and not expect political fallout.

I don't think she's ever been honest about why she set up her own server. I don't think she's ever discussed who suggested it. I don't think she's discussed why she chose to violate civil service rules and get her IT guy a job in the state department which he promptly left when she was gone. I don't think she's ever discussed how poorly she did in getting informed advice about how to deal with the email scandal. I don't think she's ever discussed why she sat on her hands after the Obama administration gave her a heads up that her scheme was unraveling. I don't think she's ever discussed what a poor idea it was to do a cursory sort of her emails and then make a claim that a comprehensive sort had been done. I don't think she's ever discussed why she chose to not comply with federal rules for the archiving of her emails except for her stupid lie that she thought they were automatically archived because she mostly wrote to people in the state department whose emails were archived. I don't think she's ever discussed how she could have remained so profoundly uniformed she remained about her email problem that she could make the stupid wipe joke. I don't think she's ever discussed what an incredibly bad idea it was for her to take responsibility for the security of her smart phone communications and her server. The number of things that a politician can be held accountable for is large. One of the obvious ways to mitigate risk is not to take on responsibilities that you are profoundly unqualified to deal with.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I don't know I voted for her in the primary and the general election. It is very hard for me to understand how Clinton could have excoriated the Republicans for their email practices and then turn around and do something similar and not expect political fallout.

But that's not what happened. That's what the news media cherry picked out of the book to report on.

I don't think she's ever been honest about why she set up her own server. I don't think she's ever discussed who suggested it. I don't think she's discussed why she chose to violate civil service rules and get her IT guy a job in the state department which he promptly left when she was gone. I don't think she's ever discussed how poorly she did in getting informed advice about how to deal with the email scandal. I don't think she's ever discussed why she sat on her hands after the Obama administration gave her a heads up that her scheme was unraveling. I don't think she's ever discussed what a poor idea it was to do a cursory sort of her emails and then make a claim that a comprehensive sort had been done. I don't think she's ever discussed why she chose to not comply with federal rules for the archiving of her emails except for her stupid lie that she thought they were automatically archived because she mostly wrote to people in the state department whose emails were archived. I don't think she's ever discussed how she could have remained so profoundly uniformed she remained about her email problem that she could make the stupid wipe joke. I don't think she's ever discussed what an incredibly bad idea it was for her to take responsibility for the security of her smart phone communications and her server. The number of things that a politician can be held accountable for is large. One of the obvious ways to mitigate risk is not to take on responsibilities that you are profoundly unqualified to deal with.

The vast majority of this applies a double standard to Clinton not applied to the majority of politicians and legislators.

I'm the first one to criticize the Democratic Party. They are using outdated campaign tactics while the Mercers and the Kochs and Putin are using Cambridge Analytica, data mining, social media bots, exploiting Facebook's marketing tools and so on. Why are you blaming Clinton for that instead of the entire Democratic Party?

That old guard needs to go, and I wasn't and still am not a Bernie fan. He has some good ideas, but he too is old school and doesn't get it that riding a popular wave is not going to win elections. You have to know how to manipulate the voters the same way the enemy is manipulating them. That doesn't mean one has to manipulate voters dishonestly.

 

[mgidm86]

But that's not what happened. That's what the news media cherry picked out of the book to report on.

The vast majority of this applies a double standard to Clinton not applied to the majority of politicians and legislators.

I'm the first one to criticize the Democratic Party. They are using outdated campaign tactics while the Mercers and the Kochs and Putin are using Cambridge Analytica, data mining, social media bots, exploiting Facebook's marketing tools and so on. Why are you blaming Clinton for that instead of the entire Democratic Party?

That old guard needs to go, and I wasn't and still am not a Bernie fan. He has some good ideas, but he too is old school and doesn't get it that riding a popular wave is not going to win elections. You have to know how to manipulate the voters the same way the enemy is manipulating them. That doesn't mean one has to manipulate voters dishonestly.

First hilighted bit: No you are not.
Second hilighted bit: Proof. You aren't criticizing the Dems (lip service) you are blaming the Repubs for playing too dirty. Yeah, the Dems played by the rules sure, what a laugh.

I agree with davefoc, and he has put it in the most fair/diplomatic language that I have seen in this thread, and he has been consistent about that. She made herself look bad every step of the way.

I'm not going to get into it any more here though. I didn't need the email scandal to despise Hillary, I have been paying attention to the Clintons for decades. This post is just nonsense.

Clinton is done, thank gawd, the end. Goodbye. I may feel the same about Trump soon - jury is still out. Thanks to all the arse-hats on the left accusing everyone who disagrees with them being a nazi racist, they make it hard to even consider listening to them.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

First hilighted bit: No you are not.
Second hilighted bit: Proof. You aren't criticizing the Dems (lip service) you are blaming the Repubs for playing too dirty. Yeah, the Dems played by the rules sure, what a laugh.

IOW you think you know what's in my mind better than I do?

I don't think so but go right ahead with your fantasy that you do.

I have no need to argue against people with Clinton derangement syndrome, it's a sad waste of time.

 

[The Big Dog]

IOW you think you know what's in my mind better than I do?

I don't think so but go right ahead with your fantasy that you do.

I have no need to argue against people with Clinton derangement syndrome, it's a sad waste of time.

Yup, mgidm86, no need for you to argue against people with Clinton derangement syndrome.

 

[phiwum]

No, the "whole article" was showing how Hillary's claim in her fictional book that the State Department IT knew about her cowboy server was yet another lie.

It was a private email server. Why the constant apparently disparaging references to a "cowboy" email server? I run a simple email server for my personal use. Not sure what that has to do with cowboys.

With that said, I absolutely agree that relevant emails to and from the secretary of state ought to go through an official server, one subject to FOIA and one which the government itself has the responsibility to ensure is secure. I don't defend Clinton's choice here.

But I also tire of bizarre pejoratives. Private email servers aren't "cowboy" servers.

 

[NoahFence]

It was a private email server. Why the constant apparently disparaging references to a "cowboy" email server? I run a simple email server for my personal use. Not sure what that has to do with cowboys.

With that said, I absolutely agree that relevant emails to and from the secretary of state ought to go through an official server, one subject to FOIA and one which the government itself has the responsibility to ensure is secure. I don't defend Clinton's choice here.

But I also tire of bizarre pejoratives. Private email servers aren't "cowboy" servers.

Its in his contract. Can't go a post without some ignorant whining about something Clinton with only a passing reference to reality.

 

[The Big Dog]

It was a private email server. Why the constant apparently disparaging references to a "cowboy" email server? I run a simple email server for my personal use. Not sure what that has to do with cowboys.

With that said, I absolutely agree that relevant emails to and from the secretary of state ought to go through an official server, one subject to FOIA and one which the government itself has the responsibility to ensure is secure. I don't defend Clinton's choice here.

But I also tire of bizarre pejoratives. Private email servers aren't "cowboy" servers.

"cowboy" defined as a person who is reckless or careless.

Now no one has claimed that all private email servers are cowboy servers, what we are saying that Hillary's homebrew slapdash private email server was cowboy.

 

[Belz...]

It was a private email server. Why the constant apparently disparaging references to a "cowboy" email server? I run a simple email server for my personal use. Not sure what that has to do with cowboys.

When you're lacking in facts, use adjectives.

 

[plague311]

Unlike you, I work in the moving goal posts industry so I find absolutely nothing strange at all about how when you claimed that they "they've torn the server apart" and I proved that claim to be utterly false you completely moved the goalposts as fast and as hard as possible.

I didn't move the goalposts, dog. They did tear the server apart, it's in the report. They did that along with getting all of the security settings and details they could. We've tried this before, with no success, so lets try it again. Do you know what bleach bit does? Can you explain how it effects data, and what would be the process to get information off of a bleached hard drive?

The goalposts are right where they always are and just because the drives were scrubbed doesn't mean that information wasn't available. It just means it wasn't available from there. Online backups, logs, etc. All of those stick around in different places. I'm sure you knew that though, instead of just accusing people of lying, which is so unlike you. If someone doesn't say something that fits perfectly into your definition then they HAVE to be lying. There is no such thing as mistakes, or misspeaking when it comes to you. If someone is opposing what you're saying than everything is a lie. It must be terrible to be in that world sometimes.

If you worked with people in the moving goal posts field every day I think you'd have more of an understanding of how you just got caught repeating a lie and then completely ignored it.

I give it a 3 on the "wittyness" scale. I really feel that's pretty high, but again. It's always lies to you, you're constantly being lied to. That must get really old, really fast.

By the way, which is more pathetic, that Hillary really was confused and thought they used a cloth, or that "what with a cloth" was her idea of a witty comeback?

Trick question, they are both equally pathetic.

I don't know, was that her idea of a witty comeback? Did she, specifically, tell the guy to bleach bit the hard drives? Does she know what bleach bit even is? Do you know any 70 years that aren't in the IT field, that are up to date with the processes or software names of programs that are used? Hell, you're not that old and you've proven, and basically admitted, that you don't know **** about the IT industry. Here you are though, calling me a liar, and telling me I'm a parrot.

Nice

 

[NoahFence]

"cowboy" defined as a person who is reckless or careless.

Now no one has claimed that all private email servers are cowboy servers, what we are saying that Hillary's homebrew slapdash private email server was cowboy.

Cowboy's are reckless or careless? Dude, the breadbasket of America was built on the backs of cowboys. America spread from sea to shining sea on the backs of cowboys. I hardly think they're reckless or careless. They're HEROES in my book.

Why do you hate America?

 

[The Big Dog]

I didn't move the goalposts, dog. They did tear the server apart, it's in the report. They did that along with getting all of the security settings and details they could. We've tried this before, with no success, so lets try it again. Do you know what bleach bit does? Can you explain how it effects data, and what would be the process to get information off of a bleached hard drive?

The goalposts are right where they always are and just because the drives were scrubbed doesn't mean that information wasn't available. It just means it wasn't available from there.

HAHAHA!!! Oh man, I had to stop there.

We have gone from this:

They've looked at the logs, they've torn the server apart, and there is absolutely no evidence in any way, shape or form that the server has been compromised.

To this:

and just because the drives were scrubbed doesn't mean that information wasn't available. It just means it wasn't available from there.

That is magnificent. Kisses fingers in the manner of a French chef.

 

[plague311]

HAHAHA!!! Oh man, I had to stop there.

We have gone from this:



To this:



That is magnificent. Kisses fingers in the manner of a French chef.

Are you going to dispute any of it? Are you laughing because you don't understand it? Do you even know why you're laughing? Don't bother, since it's clear you don't understand what I'm saying, I'll wait until someone (hopefully a younger sibling or friend) can explain it to you.

ETA: Oh haha, nevermind. I figured it out. You don't understand how technology works so you tried to cherry pick a few sections of what I said, strawman it, and then laugh. Wow, fallacies, dog? Really? Down to cherry picking nonsense? The final act of the truly desperate.

 

[The Big Dog]

Are you going to dispute any of it? Are you laughing because you don't understand it? Do you even know why you're laughing? Don't bother, since it's clear you don't understand what I'm saying, I'll wait until someone (hopefully a younger sibling or friend) can explain it to you.

Seems pretty clear that not only am I disputing this nonsense: "They've looked at the logs, they've torn the server apart, and there is absolutely no evidence in any way, shape or form that the server has been compromised" I am and have completely nuked it from orbit.

And here we are, one and all, where you are bizarrely arguing about bleach bit and who well she wiped her server, and I am sitting back enjoying reminding folks about bleach bit and the fact she wiped her servers.

Say maybe I should get a younger sibling, or even better a friend who works in the District Attorney's office to explain "obstruction of justice" to us?

And we have not even gotten to the point where we talked about Hillary drooled out her lies about cooperating with the various investigation!

Now please regale us with tales of what exactly happened when her IT team used bleach bit to wipe her server.

avid readers are dying to know.

 

[Belz...]

HAHAHA!!! Oh man, I had to stop there.

We have gone from this:



To this:



That is magnificent. Kisses fingers in the manner of a French chef.

Even for you, that's a pretty argument-free post.

I am and have completely nuked it from orbit.

Laughing is not an argument.

 

[The Big Dog]

No, the "whole article" was showing how Hillary's claim in her fictional book that the State Department IT knew about her cowboy server was yet another lie.

By the way, the claim that they "tore" the server apart is a Clinton level lie, given that they intentionally wiped it, with Bleach Bit. You remember that right, of course you do because I posted it right here in this thread.

and when she was asked about it, the disingenuous loser said "what? like with a cloth?"

and you just repeated that repeatedly exposed lie. Huh..

Even for you, that's a pretty argument-free post.

Laughing is not an argument.

For the late arriving commentators who have not bothered to read the actual thread.

By the way?? Even for you, that's a pretty argument-free post.

 

[The Big Dog]

Hillary Blames Comey! Hillary blames the NYTimes!

Serial blame spreader and Trump loser to sees that there is plenty of blame to go around involving her grossly incompetent handling of her email server fiasco

J'accuse Comey!

J'accuse New York Times!

Clinton expressed outrage that the New York Times dedicated half of its front page to Comey's Oct. 28 letter, because she argued the letter contained "zero evidence of wrongdoing and very few facts of any kind."

Comey's late-October letter to Congress, which informed lawmakers that new emails discovered in the course of an unrelated investigation had forced him to revisit the original email inquiry, warranted wall-to-wall coverage in almost every media outlet in the country.

Even so, Clinton blamed the New York Times most of all for its handling of the letter. And she saddled the Times with responsibility for printing "one of the single worst stories of the entire election" on Oct. 31 when it ran an article claiming the FBI had not yet found any significant links between the Trump campaign and Russian election meddling.

Say, maybe if Hillary and her gang who could not shoot straight would have, you know, been cooperative rather than lying and obstructing the investigation and generally being incompetent??