Merged Trump Pardons Arpaio

3point14 said:
This would seem to give a pass to any octogenarian to do what they like regardless of the law.

"Hey, I'm over 80, they won't put me in jail" is not, I think, the attitude one wants to engender.
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Especially not with all the tontines those people have.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
I think the problem lies more with the signal this particular pardon sends, given this particular offender and this particular moment in time.

Also, maybe it's just me, but I do see abuse of the powers of office to treat other human beings like animals (in some cases contributing to their deaths) as more concerning than a single murder, even without the implications on our already contentious national discourse.
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Seconded. The 6 month jail sentence he got seems way too low to me.

Brainster said:
The guy's 85 years old. I've been sick of his shenanigans for years, but there's no real purpose in putting him in prison.
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Really? The guy has been flouting the law for years and you see no purpose in him serving time for it?
 
3point14 said:
This would seem to give a pass to any octogenarian to do what they like regardless of the law.

"Hey, I'm over 80, they won't put me in jail" is not, I think, the attitude one wants to engender.
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Yep, wonder if there is no point in putting this bloke in prison or is that different ... because...?
 
Brainster said:
Sorry, I was flabbergasted by Dudalb's apparent suicide by mod. I mean, that one flew way above Tony Stark territory. They are going to have to AAH most of this thread to cover it up.

By comparison Trump pardoning Arpaio--not really news is it? Anyway we can say anything we want at this point. Because it will not be part of the thread for long. Chuck Norris hopes to be reincarnated as Joe Arpaio.
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In before AAH!
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Brainster said:
The guy's 85 years old. I've been sick of his shenanigans for years, but there's no real purpose in putting him in prison.
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Justice.

Especially since a lot of the depraved things he did were in the name of it, and here he is now being spared from it.
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Pretty much this. It's the exact same reason I 100% reject the mercy reasons Germany does not prosecute and jail ancient Nazis guilty of horrible crimes. There needs to be no escape, ever, not never, ever, not no way, not no how, as a lesson to those in the future who may commit the same crimes. You will be tossed away, even wheezing and at age 90.

Granted, a misdemeanor or whatever this is is quite a leap from that, but it's the thought that counts.
 
Beerina said:
Granted, a misdemeanor or whatever this is is quite a leap from that, but it's the thought that counts.
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It may have technically been a misdemeanor, but the actions which resulted in that conviction would almost certainly qualify as felonies if he was actually prosecuted for them (e.g., unlawful imprisonment). Of course, that would have required someone in Arizona's state justice system stepping up, which they didn't.
 
Good morning. From everything I have read, accepting a presidential pardon, is an admission of guilt. Yet, it doesn't seem that the Sheriff feels he has admitted guilt reading his rather fired comments against the judicial system. He lost both civil and criminal cases. I've also read that by accepting the pardon, he was waived his right to plead the 5th should he be called to testify. I suspect this will turn into a bit of a mess.
 
Brainster said:
The guy's 85 years old. I've been sick of his shenanigans for years, but there's no real purpose in putting him in prison.
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He doesn't need to do the max -- which would only be six months -- but a week or so in a cell would give him -- and all the cops who followed his orders -- plenty to think about.
 
Bob001 said:
He doesn't need to do the max -- which would only be six months -- but a week or so in a cell would give him -- and all the cops who followed his orders -- plenty to think about.
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He needed to do the max. The idea that society should be solicitous towards someone who has done extreme wrong (and a law enforcement officer who knowingly, blatantly breaks the law and violates the civil rights of others absolutely qualifies) because of his or her age is offensive to me. It's just a shame they couldn't give him 10-20 years on state charges instead.
 
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Even after last night's news, he says he's going to have a press conference and that he's "not going down without a fight!"

Dude, you just got pardoned. I wouldn't call that going down. Best to just keep your mouth shut.
 
Brainster said:
I suggest you call yourselves Wolverines.

Holy crap.
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I had hope that the more moderate Republicans would act to reign in Trump.That has not happened. They are willing to risk American Democracy for their goddamned Tax Cuts. Let's turn the clock back 75 years, let's make Blacks and Latinos disefrachised second class citizens, but I don't care as long as I get my Marginal rate 5% tax cut.
IMHO the Republicans who think this way are begging for America to enter the worst domestic crisis since the civil war. They can take their tax cuts and put them where the sun don't shine.
 
Travis said:
He was convicted of violating constitutional rights. By pardoning him Trump has signaled that people can violate the constitution and not suffer any consequences.

Can conservatives here really not see how dangerous this is?
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They don't care as long as they get their *********** Tax Cuts.
 
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Oh noes, Trump pardoned an 85 year old man.

The fainting couch is soaked with melting snowflakes.
 
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