Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

[phiwum]

The Confederate soldiers in the statues weren't fighting for their states, they were fighting for slavery. The States Rights argument was an unsuccessful ruse to try and get European recognition. The Articles of Secession were about slavery. They were about Southern fear that Lincoln was an abolitionist and Northern refusal to expand slavery (and slave state representation in Congress) and the various methods used to nullify the Fugitive Slave Act.

The people depicted in the statues are being honored because they fought for slavery and engaged in treason which is defined only as waging war against the US or providing aid and comfort to an enemy. There's a huge difference between honoring someone in spite of their flaws and honoring someone because of their crimes.

I wasn't thinking of states' rights. I believe that many Southern soldiers fought because of loyalty to their home state and neighbors, not for slavery or states' rights.

But I've no idea what percentage fought for political reasons and what for local loyalties. As I said, I've nothing against memorials to Nazi soldiers (so long as it doesn't glorify the Nazi movement) and the same applies to Confederates in my book.

 

[phiwum]

What else could they have been fighting for but slavery? Virginia sites oppression of Southern slave holding states as the reason to succeed. Are you suggesting that Lee didn't know his state succeeded because of slavery?

Just to be clear, I've not been talking about Lee or other high-ranking officers. I was thinking more about the enlisted men, who were (I imagine) not particularly well-educated nor well-informed.

 

[phiwum]

I disagree. If ANY employee hurts your image...and your public image is a very important asset...you get rid of him.
Of course I am old fashioned, I think a business man should have the right to employ whom he wants, without having to go to a bureaucrat everytime he makes a personal change.

Suppose I live in a racist town and I discover that many whites (who form the majority) have avoided my business because I employ a black cashier. Surely, you wouldn't suggest that I ought to have the right to fire him for this reason, right?

I imagine you didn't mean to say anything quite as broad as you actually said.

 

[phiwum]

How about a memorial to six executed Nazi spies, hidden in National Park Service land in D.C.?

Put there by neo-Nazis? No, that's not the same thing at all. Obviously, that has to go.

 

[Giordano]

Hannity strikes again with a fabricated CT claiming "Crowds on Demand" might have paid for protestors in Charlottesville.

He goes on to admit they had an ad for people for some event in Charolette, NC then suggests maybe it was a coincidence.

I wonder what he thought of the massive outpouring of resistance in Boston today?

Must reflect his own view that no one could actually be against Nazis so anti- Nazi protestors must really be paid actors.

 

[quadraginta]

Put there by neo-Nazis? No, that's not the same thing at all. Obviously, that has to go.

From my point of view you couldn't fit a matchbook cover between the moral difference of groups that put up memorials to cherish the memories and causes of soldiers who fought for the Nazis and groups who did it to cherish the memories and causes of those who fought for the preservation and perpetuation of negro chattel slavery.

Neo-Nazis. Neo-White Supremacists.

What is there to chose between?

 

[quadraginta]

Heel is a word. The president doesn't understand homophones.

Maybe he's homophonic?

 

[quadraginta]

Hannity strikes again with a fabricated CT claiming "Crowds on Demand" might have paid for protestors in Charlottesville.

He goes on to admit they had an ad for people for some event in Charolette, NC then suggests maybe it was a coincidence.

Maybe he doesn't know that Charlotte and Charlottesville are two different places?

I wonder what he thought of the massive outpouring of resistance in Boston today?

There's a South Boston in Virginia. That could really confuse him.

 

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[sphenisc]

Maybe he's homophonic?

I'm pretty sure he supports the reignbeau coalition.

 

[Mumbles]

Suppose I live in a racist town and I discover that many whites (who form the majority) have avoided my business because I employ a black cashier. Surely, you wouldn't suggest that I ought to have the right to fire him for this reason, right?

If you lived in a racist town, where the people were so racist that that they'd avoid any store with a black cashier, you'd have known it before you hired him.

 

[jimbob]

Suppose I live in a racist town and I discover that many whites (who form the majority) have avoided my business because I employ a black cashier. Surely, you wouldn't suggest that I ought to have the right to fire him for this reason, right?

I imagine you didn't mean to say anything quite as broad as you actually said.

I think that it's valid if an employee's extra-curricular activities would give a reasonable customer or colleague concern that they mightn't treat them fairly. Taking part in a Pride march wouldn't do that, being black wouldn't do that, pushing for deportation of all illegal immigrants wouldn't do that but advocating white supremacy or taking part in a Nazi-dominated march, especially one that is violent, or aimed at intimidating people, would.

 

[newyorkguy]

I don't understand the need to have an additional reason to fire an employee after you discover they are an active member of a Neo-Nazi group. That just being a Nazi isn't a good enough reason.

I imagine all the American men and women who fought the Nazis in WWII must be turning over in their graves.

 

[Mumbles]

I don't understand the need to have an additional reason to fire an employee after you discover they are an active member of a Neo-Nazi group. That just being a Nazi isn't a good enough reason.

I imagine all the American men and women who fought the Nazis in WWII must be turning over in their graves.

No, many of them are still alive, and some of them have registered their disgust.

 

[phiwum]

If you lived in a racist town, where the people were so racist that that they'd avoid any store with a black cashier, you'd have known it before you hired him.

That doesn't answer the heart of my question. Change skin color to something that others might not have known, such as the sexual orientation of the cashier.

 

[phiwum]

I think that it's valid if an employee's extra-curricular activities would give a reasonable customer or colleague concern that they mightn't treat them fairly. Taking part in a Pride march wouldn't do that, being black wouldn't do that, pushing for deportation of all illegal immigrants wouldn't do that but advocating white supremacy or taking part in a Nazi-dominated march, especially one that is violent, or aimed at intimidating people, would.

This amendment (restricting concern to activities, using a reasonable person test, adding concerns of fair treatment) may make the principle considerably more plausible.

 

[pgwenthold]

That doesn't answer the heart of my question. Change skin color to something that others might not have known, such as the sexual orientation of the cashier.

Yep. This is why we need the law to protect against discrimination based on race, and are fighting to protect sexual orientation.

 

[phiwum]

Yep. This is why we need the law to protect against discrimination based on race, and are fighting to protect sexual orientation.

My point is simply that dudalb's original position would apply equally to race, sexual orientation, and so on.

I'm sure he misspoke.

 

[pgwenthold]

My point is simply that dudalb's original position would apply equally to race, sexual orientation, and so on.

I'm sure he misspoke.

It would, which is why laws have been created to prevent it. We have not done so for political affiliation.