Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

[johnny karate]

Oh FFS! It's a thread about DUELING PROTESTS SPARK STATE OF EMERGENCY IN VIRGINIA!!!!!

It is NOT a thread about Nazis killing people. Holy hell - it was one guy, who seems to have been a racist. Not all racists are Nazis, and there was only one person responsible for the death.

Yeah, but the one in question sure is:

The man accused of murdering a woman by deliberately driving into her during protests against a far-right rally was photographed earlier in the day standing with the white supremacist, neo-Nazi group Vanguard America.

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Fields’ now deactivated Facebook page contained Nazi imagery including a photograph of Hitler as a baby, a picture of the Reichstag in Berlin...

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Derek Weimer, who taught Fields history when he was a student at Cooper high school in Union, Kentucky, told the TV station WCPO that he remembered a boy who was “very quiet and very bright,” but one who believed in white supremacy and the Nazi ideology.

You do understand that we're talking about actual, self-identifying Nazis, right? That this isn't some form of hyperbole? You get that, right?

 

[Emily's Cat]

No wriggle room needed.

OMFG! Quote mine much? FFS try some honesty here!

Excuse me, excuse me. (inaudible) themselves (inaudible) and you have some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me – I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Oh FFS! It's a thread about DUELING PROTESTS SPARK STATE OF EMERGENCY IN VIRGINIA!!!!!

It is NOT a thread about Nazis killing people. Holy hell - it was one guy, who seems to have been a racist. Not all racists are Nazis...

Emily's Cat, I suggest you take a break to sufficiently familiarize yourself with the events of this past weekend and the people involved in those events. You're clearly in need of catching up. Here's a little help:

Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathizer, former teacher says

“It was obvious that he had this fascination with Nazism and a big idolatry of Adolf Hitler,” the teacher said.​

If you're not willing to make the effort, that's understandable, but if that's the case, you should probably find something else to do.

 

[johnny karate]

I hope this isn't a Rule 12 violation, but Emily's body of work has shown me that she is not, by any reasonable definition of the term, a Nazi sympathizer. I would literally stake my life on it.

The general "you" was being used. I haven't called anyone in this thread a Nazi-sympathizer.

 

[Tony]

Tony and sir drinks-a-lot would seem to disagree:

Right. I know disagreement is akin to blasphemy in SJW circles , but people in the reality based community disagree with each other all the time. Unlike you lot, we're not a bunch of ditto-bot goosesteppers.

 

[johnny karate]

NOT EVERY PERSON AT THAT RALLY WAS A NAZI

You're right. Some of them were there to oppose the Nazis.

 

[Oystein]

NOT EVERY PERSON AT THAT RALLY WAS A NAZI

a) That's a matter of semantics.
b) EVERY PERSON MARCHING WITH THOSE NAZIS IS SCUM!!!

Would you say there were very fine people on the Nazi side?
That is a yes/no question.
And it's not virtue signalling - it is a legitimate question as we are discussing what Trump said - and he said that. So we need to be clear if what he said was correct or incorrect.

 

[sunmaster14]

The general "you" was being used. I haven't called anyone in this thread a Nazi-sympathizer.

I misunderstood. My apologies for the inference.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Because genocide is only bad when the goal is racial purity.

I was merely providing additional detail, not justifying why this particular occurrence of genocide is worse than any other.

 

[Tony]

Even if you're going to have an emotional outburst, at least *try* to stay moderately close to fact.

Facts are racist. And sexist. And probably somethingophobic.

 

[johnny karate]

OMFG! Quote mine much? FFS try some honesty here!

Excuse me, excuse me. (inaudible) themselves (inaudible) and you have some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me – I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

It was a rally sponsored by white nationalists. They wore Nazi regalia and chanted Nazi slogans.

Who are the "very fine people" on that side?

 

[johnny karate]

I misunderstood. My apologies for the inference.

None taken.

And welcome back, by the way.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Modern neo-Nazis willfully identify with a group that committed genocide with the goal of racial purity. Why is it when someone says, "You know, the Nazis had the right of it," you think it's obscene to look down upon them and judge them harshly for those thoughts?

By all means, look down on them when they actually say those things. Judge them harshly to your heart's content.

Do NOT, however, excuse violence against them. Do NOT applaud the violation of their rights. Do NOT assume that every single person who stands within 5 feet of them are agreeing with them.

 

[Oystein]

OMFG! Quote mine much? FFS try some honesty here!

Excuse me, excuse me. (inaudible) themselves (inaudible) and you have some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me – I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

Thank you for quoting the proof that Trump actually expressed a conviction that there were very fine people marching with Nazis, KKK, White Supremacists.

Or do you deny that he said that?

Because you know, the Unite the Right demonstration was organized and registered by Nazis and White Supremacists. Did you hear the slogans they shouted? Did you see the symbols they carried?
Do you think there were "very fine people" on both sides?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Right. I know disagreement is akin to blasphemy in SJW circles , but people in the reality based community disagree with each other all the time.

The very fact that I highlighted the disagreement would indicate that I'm aware of such things, no? Your venom is misdirected.

 

[Tony]

...not justifying why this particular occurrence of genocide is worse than any other.

Of course that is what you're doing. Otherwise you would have to condemn all the other groups who identify with a group that committed genocide in the past (some of which you probably sympathize with).

 

[trustbutverify]

Pathetic Whining is something all these Alpha Male Angry White Men are very good at..........

These Trumpian, rugged individualists sure do get triggered easily.

 

[Oystein]

Do NOT assume that every single person who stands within 5 feet of them are agreeing with them.

The President made a positive claim: There were very fine people on the Nazi side.
Is that a defensible statement?

Do very fine people, according to YOUR moral standards, EC, go to a rally organized by White Supremacists, using Nazi symbolism, shouting racist and Nazi slogans? Do very fine people STAY within 5 feet of Nazis, KKK and White Supremacists when they do, in fact, shout racial slurs and anti-semitic hate slogans?

Or would you not rather say that attending such an overtly racist, supremacist, Nazi rally is a dead sure sign that one is a person of completely rotten moral fabric - scum of the earth?

 

[Emily's Cat]

You do understand that we're talking about actual, self-identifying Nazis, right? That this isn't some form of hyperbole? You get that, right?

Lol, no you aren't. You haven't been talking about that murdering crapball for pages! Pretty sure we all agree that he was a murderer, and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Case closed, no more thread, right? But here we are 40 pages in, because that's not at all what is being discussed.

 

[Tony]

The very fact that I highlighted the disagreement would indicate that I'm aware of such things, no?

Of course. But you highlighted it because you thought there was some kind of issue with the disagreement. As if we are all supposed to agree with each other and it means something significant if we don't.

Your venom is misdirected.

Is it?