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trustbutverify said:
What if the working class supports the Nazis and holocaust denial? What if the working class has been fed a never ending diet of crypto Nazi websites like Veterans Today and the like, and have fallen in love with Donald Trump?
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That the "working Class" is infallible and can do no wrong is one of the major ideological stupidities of Marxism.
And that when they took power in Russia in 1917, Lenin's Bolshevik party was careful to concentrate power in the hands of a few party bosses,and be sure that the working class had no power shows that when faced with reality even they did not buy into it.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Lemme guess, having an avatar of Obama is yet another thing that is racist.
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No. But you hand waived any suggestion you were a Trump fan because of your current avatar by referring to an anti-Obama avatar you used previously. Is your current Avatar actually anti-Trump somehow?
 
I watched some vice news report on it. As funny as it was watching the head racist get maced for the second time in two days by counter protesting, I really don't want my side macing people.
 
Oystein said:
Fox News has a run-down of reaction to Trump's remarks about Charlottesville today:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...react-to-trumps-charlottesville-comments.html

Remarkably, no one agrees with the President.

GOP House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy: The violence in Charlottesville on Saturday "was a direct consequence of the hateful rhetoric & action from white supremacists demonstrating".

GOP House Majority Whip Steve Scalise: "I was clear about this bigotry & violence over the weekend and I'll repeat it today: We must defeat white supremacy and all forms of hatred."

John Kasich: "There is no moral equivalency to Nazi sympathizers. There can be no room in America -- or the Republican Party -- for racism, anti-Semitism, hate or white nationalism. Period."

Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake (R): "We can't accept excuses for white supremacy & acts of domestic terrorism. We must condemn. Period."

Maine Sen. Susan Collins (R): "The violence in Charlottesville was caused by racists & hate groups. We must unite against them."

Kansas Senator Jerry Moran (R): "No one -- especially POTUS -- should ever tolerate" the hatred behind white supremacism


Trump shot himself in the knee big time.
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Gingrich, however, is rock solid loyal. He also thinks Southern mayors are pandering to blacks by removing tributes to pro-slavery militants.
 
Gingrich was pretty much ignored in the GOP as a failed speaker of the house and a has been until Trump came along, and Newtie saw him as a ticket back to prominence.
 
Oystein said:
And Gingrich is important because...?
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He's not. He makes outrageous comments to get in the news to sell books.


I only saw a couple minutes of Tucker Carlson. He was off on the angle the left wing protesters attack the police.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
...He was off on the angle the left wing protesters attack the police.
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Some lefties probably do attack the police. So what? That is not the problem!

The problem is that Nazis, now with POTUS' blessing, fight democratic decisions made by the proper local jurisdiction.

Whataboutism.
 
Oystein said:
And Gingrich is important because...?
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Where did I say he was important? I just wanted to see if I could find a famous Republican Trump loyalist who wasn't offended by Trumps reaction(s) to an innocent woman being murdered by Nazis. As it turns out, I could find one.
 
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phiwum said:
Not me. The Supreme Court has decided, quite plausibly, that political speech gets more protection than other kinds of speech. Nazis are a political group. Loathsome as their speech may be, the fact is that one of the primary aims of freedom of speech is to allow disparate voices to engage politically.
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Nazis are a hate group, not a political group. Their aim is to destroy all other races and ideology. They are a political group in the same sense that pedophiles are sex advocates.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Nazis are a hate group, not a political group. Their aim is to destroy all other races and ideology. They are a political group in the same sense that pedophiles are sex advocates.
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I'm not too sure on how we distinguish political speech/groups from hate speech/groups, but I tend to think of the Nazis as a hateful example of a political group.
 
I once heard it put "If Nazis are a political party, rapists are a gender."

Again it's the same copout. "Oh we can't draw a line between radicals and political parties!" Sure we can.

*Hand wringing* "But where do we draw the line?"

SOMEWHERE BEFORE WE GET TO NAZIS! This ain't that hard.

We "draw lines" all the time. That's all societies do, draw lines. Every law written is a line drawn. Stop acting like we can't do.
 
JoeBentley said:
I once heard it put "If Nazis are a political party, rapists are a gender."

Again it's the same copout. "Oh we can't draw a line between radicals and political parties!" Sure we can.

*Hand wringing* "But where do we draw the line?"

SOMEWHERE BEFORE WE GET TO NAZIS! This ain't that hard.

We "draw lines" all the time. That's all societies do, draw lines. Every law written is a line drawn. Stop acting like we can't do.
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Were you keen on McCarthy's attack on Communists as well? Okay, to be sure, a lot of what he did was really dishonest, but suppose for a moment that Communist beliefs (or at least propaganda) were again a crime and that the targets of prosecution really did support Communism at the time they were targeted. Would you agree with that particular line?

No, I don't want the government to draw lines when it comes to political speech. Such lines would, of necessity, be a limitation of minority voices by the majority. Sounds like a bad plan to me.
 
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