Ed Dueling protests spark state of emergency in Virginia.

Argumemnon said:
Have you ever worked in the public sector, sir?
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Yes I have. As opposed to those two in that helicopter, who don't do any work at all.

You know that what you wrote there is just a rhetorical trick to make policemen appear far worse than they really are.
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No it isn't. If anything I've made them appear far better than they really are, since I didn't even bother going into the rampant specific crimes by that particular gang but just stuck to its basic social role.
 
sonofthor said:
Final thoughts for day: The United States was founded on Enlightenment ideals, based on British Liberalism, and you now have continental collectivists fighting in your streets over whether it's better to be a fascist or a communist. The answer is: they're both terrible and fundamentally opposed to the constitution of your country, my American friends.
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I could whole-heartedly agree with this - if the anti-nazi demonstrators were "continental collectivists". But they aren't. I have next to no sympathy for the activist, unruly antifa crowd, feeling they actually strengthen the nazis by giving them a real and legitimate focus. But clollectivists they are not: Some are anarchists - the very opposite of collectivism. And some are a-political fun-oriented fashion-wearing lefties with a knack for violent entertainment - extreme, reckless individualists.
 
thaiboxerken said:
They are just dumb to think that violence will help get the message out there.
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Liberals... Their intelligence seems inversely related to their ego which makes them simply assume that everything other political groups do must be intricate ploys to "get out a message" to them.
 
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It should be noted that Fred Trump was a Klansman so we're dealing with the apple not falling far from the poisoned tree.

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caveman1917 said:
No I don't care about capitalism nor about that gang you got enforcing it.
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Notice that I said democracy, not capitalism.

But, ok. Capitalism is the reason why you are able to express yourself on the internet and voice your opinion on this matter. Were you a wiser man, that would give you pause.

As opposed to those two in that helicopter, who don't do any work at all.
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See, when I talked about rhetorical tricks, that's what I meant. You're overstating your case so much that it's impossible to take your arguments seriously. Of course they do work. You just don't like the work that some of them do.

No it isn't. If anything I've made them appear far better than they really are, since I didn't even bother going into the rampant specific crimes by that particular gang but just stuck to its basic social role.
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I've had nothing but pleasant interactions with policemen in the past, so you either live in a cesspit part of the world, or you are exaggerating.
 
What I'll say is this: at least someone is standing up to these fascist pricks. They gather and spread their genocidal ideology and the police just stand by twiddling their fingers. Heck a non insignificant portion of them probably support them.

We can't count on the feds to stop them. Not with the very top of the federal government run by them now. So who is going to stand up to these bullies? Or do we just lay down and hope they don't kill us when they go and kill the others?

I've been reading tons of books lately on the rise of fascism in Europe and my takeaway so far is that they put themselves in a position to murder tens of millions by everyone either not taking them seriously or being more worried about some phantom Communist boogeyman. No one stood up to them in any kind of forceful way until it was too late and I would really rather we not do the same thing here in America. If I'm being presented the choice of Nazis talking about race wars and a group of people that stand up to them that someone on the internet thinks are Stalinists (but otherwise don't seem to be advocating anything other than defending us from the fascists) well I'm definitely not picking the Nazis. And I'm also not just going to sit around doing nothing.
 
Both sides suck but depending on what side you're on your side sucks just a little bit less.


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Travis said:
What I'll say is this: at least someone is standing up to these fascist pricks. They gather and spread their genocidal ideology and the police just stand by twiddling their fingers. Heck a non insignificant portion of them probably support them.

We can't count on the feds to stop them. Not with the very top of the federal government run by them now. So who is going to stand up to these bullies? Or do we just lay down and hope they don't kill us when they go and kill the others?

I've been reading tons of books lately on the rise of fascism in Europe and my takeaway so far is that they put themselves in a position to murder tens of millions by everyone either not taking them seriously or being more worried about some phantom Communist boogeyman. No one stood up to them in any kind of forceful way until it was too late and I would really rather we not do the same thing here in America. If I'm being presented the choice of Nazis talking about race wars and a group of people that stand up to them that someone on the internet thinks are Stalinists (but otherwise don't seem to be advocating anything other than defending us from the fascists) well I'm definitely not picking the Nazis. And I'm also not just going to sit around doing nothing.
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True plenty people are standing up to Antifa now
 
Argumemnon said:
But, ok. Capitalism is the reason why you are able to express yourself on the internet and voice your opinion on this matter. Were you a wiser man, that would give you pause.
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Were you a wiser man, you would know what a cum hoc ergo propter hoc is.

See, when I talked about rhetorical tricks, that's what I meant. You're overstating your case so much that it's impossible to take your arguments seriously.
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I'm not overstating anything, quite the opposite.

I've had nothing but pleasant interactions with policemen in the past, so you either live in a cesspit part of the world, or you are exaggerating.
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I don't care about your anecdotal "interactions" and, furthermore, were you a wiser man, you would understand that I haven't said a thing about how "pleasant" your "interactions" are or are not.
 
Travis said:
I've been reading tons of books lately on the rise of fascism in Europe and my takeaway so far is that they put themselves in a position to murder tens of millions by everyone either not taking them seriously or being more worried about some phantom Communist boogeyman. No one stood up to them in any kind of forceful way until it was too late and I would really rather we not do the same thing here in America. If I'm being presented the choice of Nazis talking about race wars and a group of people that stand up to them that someone on the internet thinks are Stalinists (but otherwise don't seem to be advocating anything other than defending us from the fascists) well I'm definitely not picking the Nazis. And I'm also not just going to sit around doing nothing.
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Maybe you're reading the wrong books, did you miss the whole of the Spanish Civil War :confused:

A lot of people stood up to the fascists in a very forceful way. Unfortunately the fascists had more and better external help but I think it's doing the Spanish people more than a disservice to say that they did nothing.

On a much, much smaller level, the Battle of Cable Street in the UK shows how direct action by a small number of activists willing to put themselves in harm's way can affect public opinion. The British Union of Fascists (BUF) had enjoyed a level of domestic popularity (including the infamous Daily Mail headline) but they were never the same after the Battle of Cable Street.

Fascism was successful in Germany and Italy (though it could be argued IMO that apart from a common global brand Mussolini and Hitler and their regimes weren't alike at all) because enough people actively wanted it, not that the huge silent majority remained silent.

IMO that's the situation in the U.S. at the moment. White supremacism is on the rise because a majority of white people in the United States are either active supporters of it or are sufficiently tolerant of it for it to become the guiding tenet of on of its two major political parties. :(
 
applecorped said:
True plenty people are standing up to Antifa now
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Really? Are you signing up?

And you really think that which side is right is just a matter of political beliefs? Dontcha think that in this case, maybe the Side That Murdered Someone With a Motor Vehicle might be, shall we say, just a tad "wronger". You're just parroting what the Orange Turdblossom said... well, both sides have a point, ya know.

No. They don't. One side is made up of Klansmen and Neo-Nazis who want to further their racist agenda. The other is made up of people who want to stop them. Time was, Americans knew which ones to stand against.
 
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