Merged A God of Love / The Living God

[Marcus]

You missed the point. You propose a reason people WANT to believe in an afterlife. I think your reason is wrong. I think people believe in an afterlife because they accept that others have insights and have been told there is some sort of heaven and hell.

Personally I do not think it is a binary either/or, but the same place with degrees of pleasantness and unpleasantness. Those above 50% it is heaven, those below 50% it is hell. And I think souls reincarnate.

BTW - Your link?

Ah, but that's the hook isn't it? If you properly Believe you will live forever in Heaven, you will never die. On the other hand , if you don't Believe, you will suffer eternal torture, so sorry. As incredible as it seems, there are people in our current world who believe it. No I don't have another link.

As for you yourself, it looks like you believe in a heaven/hell, plus reincarnation. That's fine with me, people believe in all kinds of crazy things and I don't hold it against them, at least if they are not unbearably preachy, and I don't think you are.

 

[Craig4]

You have classified me now with totally another group of people again. Well as I stated earlier. So humanlike.

But seems that Jesus who also "pretended to be God" ended in totally another sphere again. Seems humans struggle to get their classification right. Maybe they should realize that their judgments are not really worth the effort. Maybe judgments should be left with God.

We should then find another way to be. This "other way" might bring in more happiness if it is more according to what we were created to be in the first place.

No, you strike me as depressingly typical.

 

[Craig4]

Yep. I agree. And I am speaking to them about it also. Getting much conflict from their side too. Abbaddon can tell you about that.



Now you are putting me in their shoes.

But even more. You say I am "sick and false".

My Grace is growing towards you. As a mother should have towards her child. No punishment. Just ruling by the Truth and Wisdom. For these words and this Life I got a court order in "Die Herberg" against me.

I'm assuming that means house arrest. I don't speak Afrikans but I muddle through with a bit of Dutch. It's probably better than you deserved.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Free from the law

Some more teaching.

About the ruling of God vs the ruling of man.

Man rules by the law. But the law is not perfect. Everywhere imperfection and lawbreaking is evident. The police cannot handle the situation. And no government can. Even the earth is destroyed by the “lawful human beings”

God does not rule by the law. He rules by the power of Love and the power of Wisdom.
Meaning there are no laws involved. And therefore there are also no punishment. Where Grace resides forgiveness manifests. There is no more punishment. Because punishment was done by God. He took the punishment by dying on the cross. This effectively removes the need for punishment.

A total freedom is created. Laws create bondage. And laws call for punishment. This is the inferior ineffective ruling of human beings. Even those creating the laws create their own bondage. But because they are void of Love they have no other alternative. They have to enforce "order" by the force of their inferior abilities. They but creation and not God.

 

[Johanabrahams]

I would certainly agree that humanity is making a mess of running the planet, but I don't think imagining there's a god who will solve all our problems for us is the solution.

Yep I agree. imagination will not work.

Recognising that we're on our own and taking responsibility for fixing the problems we're causing seems a much more effective way forward.

This was the "responsibility" that existed up to now.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Faith, after all, is the excuse people present for believing things without any evidence at all. That is irrational.

Yep to you as an ignorant person.

But Faith is something else to us. Faith is a characteristic of God by which He creates which is necessary. It is a power to bring about what does not exist. We as gods also operate in that power when we are fully grown.

As a child of God however this Faith is present sometimes as a gift. By this gift only what God wants to do at a specific moment in time will be created.

And then there are Faith in God. This is the knowledge of knowing that God exists. It is created by God in a human being the moment He meets with God. Because He met Him personally he knows He exists. But there is no evidence so it is faith. Such a child of God which is still a baby and who knows very little needs to grow then. He grows then into more of God wich is also faith because it "doesn't exist".

All of this is to you "irrational" yep. To us it is "ignorance". So we can just witness about this "God" and if God finds a "worthy" heart He will reveal Himself to such a person. God is Love and God will not force Himself on somebody that does not want to meet with Him. This is rejection. You have then rejected God.

That is your choice.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Faith, after all, is the excuse people present for believing things without any evidence at all. That is irrational.

Yep to you as an ignorant person.

But Faith is something else to us. Faith is a characteristic of God by which He creates which is necessary. It is a power to bring about what does not exist. We as gods also operate in that power when we are fully grown.

As a child of God however this Faith is present sometimes as a gift. By this gift only what God wants to do at a specific moment in time will be created.

And then there are Faith in God. This is the knowledge of knowing that God exists. It is created by God in a human being the moment He meets with God. Because He met Him personally he knows He exists. But there is no evidence so it is faith. Such a child of God which is still a baby and who knows very little needs to grow then. He grows then into more of God wich is also faith because it "doesn't exist".

All of this is to you "irrational" yep. To us it is "ignorance". So we can just witness about this "God" and if God finds a "worthy" heart He will reveal Himself to such a person. God is Love and God will not force Himself on somebody that does not want to meet with Him. This is rejection. You have then rejected God.

That is your choice.

 

[Johanabrahams]

No, no, what I mean is that you have latched onto a pre-existing mythology, and try to derive your power from that, but simultaneously ignore it and construct some grand fantasy where the regligion you claim to believe in is false, and you are super duper special. Not a sign of great minds.

You have basically written a Star Wars fanfic where you are a force sensitive unicorn born from Luke Skywalker and Obi Wan, while claiming that you adhere only to the official Star Wars canon.

No, no what I mean is that I have latched onto reality. There is my life in Robertson, my website explaining it and my forum on the internet which God is controlling Himself. There are no laws there and no punishment. Total freedom. Which you also experience here in "my thread". Well that is now from my side only.

You all live in my Grace here. You can do and say what you want. You are just accepted. Only one thing is not accepted. Leaving. By your own doing. Leaving is a breaking of relationship by your own doing. You then deemed yourself unworthy. That is the way with a good mother. The only thing that can break the relationship with her children is they leaving.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Nope. You so classified youself. Do I accept your claim that you are any form of god? Not even slightly. Do I accept that you are my mother? Nope, It was my duty to formally and legally identify the gently cooling corpse of my actual mother. All you have are deeply offensive claims to all and sundry. Was it my actual mother? Of course not. It was cooling meat, she was long dead. After that, I had occasion to do the very same with my father.

Nothing happened to give rise to any expectation that there was anything else. They died. End of story.

Seems you have a "sad story" which you call your life. My "mother and father" are also dead. And my wife gone like yours. And much more. My children also and my nation also. But unlike you that was just the shadow of the reality. The reality is God. The shadow just show that there is a reality. So having the reality I have a Husband and children. I have a family.

You have maybe just "shadow children" left. Shadow because it is to you reality but actually shadow because the sun go down soon on that too.

So here is reality. No son going down. The real family is the heavenly one. There you will be born as a child again. You will have a Father, a mother and brothers and sisters. Never to be taken from you again.

And you will not have a "sad story" again.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

God does not rule by the law. He rules by the power of Love and the power of Wisdom.
Meaning there are no laws involved. And therefore there are also no punishment. Where Grace resides forgiveness manifests. There is no more punishment. Because punishment was done by God. He took the punishment by dying on the cross. This effectively removes the need for punishment.

Why did you advocate burning 'witches' to death then, if there is to be no punishment?

 

[Johanabrahams]

Claims of love and forgiveness in one post, and in the next you want to burn infidels to death to protect them from themselves...
You're full of something allright, but it isn't love.

Actually God died to protect "infidels" from themselves. They can now die too and become born again as God's children. Having now the nature of God. No more "infidels". But if they reject that and choose to stay "infidels" living amongst infidels they should accept the life of infidels which the have chosen themselves.

And if you choose to be a human being, living with human beings on an earth they are destroying then you should just accept your choice.

 

[Johanabrahams]

No, you strike me as depressingly typical.

Well I warned you. You do not heed the warning then you should suffer the "depressingly". You could have had something more "superior" or "godlike" like Love and Joy and Peace and Hope and everything God really stands for and have as a characteristic. Not something like human being life. Having to struggle with things like "depression".

 

[Johanabrahams]

I'm assuming that means house arrest. I don't speak Afrikans but I muddle through with a bit of Dutch. It's probably better than you deserved.

They tried that but because I obeyed them they had to go further and got a court order from the judge stating that I am not allowed to come closer than 500 meters from the premises and are also not allowed to speak with anyone.

 

[Craig4]

Well I warned you. You do not heed the warning then you should suffer the "depressingly". You could have had something more "superior" or "godlike" like Love and Joy and Peace and Hope and everything God really stands for and have as a characteristic. Not something like human being life. Having to struggle with things like "depression".

I'd never have anything that would qualify as superiore from you.

 

[Craig4]

They tried that but because I obeyed them they had to go further and got a court order from the judge stating that I am not allowed to come closer than 500 meters from the premises and are also not allowed to speak with anyone.

Too bad it wasn't a full kilometer.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Why did you advocate burning 'witches' to death then, if there is to be no punishment?

Actually it was not me. It was my husband. I didn't live in that circumstances. So how come you ask me about things that is not applicable anymore. Let us concentrate on the here and now. And let us concentrate on you and me. You are at this stage struggling with me and what I am now. God has told me everything I need to do with witches. In fact I met one in Delphi forums. And I told her and showed her that she was my daughter which I love. I think she is still debating the issue in her mind.

Seems they have changed now. They do not turn people into frogs anymore. Not that I minded that. I knew she could only work on people and not on gods.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Actually it was not me. It was my husband. I didn't live in that circumstances. So how come you ask me about things that is not applicable anymore. Let us concentrate on the here and now. And let us concentrate on you and me. You are at this stage struggling with me and what I am now. God has told me everything I need to do with witches. In fact I met one in Delphi forums. And I told her and showed her that she was my daughter which I love. I think she is still debating the issue in her mind.

Seems they have changed now. They do not turn people into frogs anymore. Not that I minded that. I knew she could only work on people and not on gods.

No, I'm 'struggling' because you contradict yourself. You say there is no punishment, but you also say that burning someone to death for witchcraft is a good thing because they'll be with God sooner.
You define words to mean whatever you want.
'Love' that includes wanton acts of lethal violence against the innocent is not love. Anyone who claims that is a liar or lunatic.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Too bad it wasn't a full kilometer.

Yep. After that they tried to certify me to put me right out of town. The reason was that they could not get me in jail because I was obeying the court order.

But unfortunately the impartial "outsider doctor" that had to confirm with the "insiders" didn't want to go through with this. He told me he is definitely not going to risk his job.

But what you also need to see is that the court order came after me obeying the "verbal house arrest". At that stage I was already obediently sitting in my flat for 30 days.

Another thing you should see is that the house arrests came after I obeyed the authority by not looking at the children.

And then another thing you should see is that the "law" to me not to look at the children came after I obeyed the "law" not to speak to the children anymore.

You will see the same here. I am the most obedient person alive. And I live under the most stringent laws possible.

 

[Johanabrahams]

I'd never have anything that would qualify as superiore from you.

Yep. That is why I am so "depressing" to you. You could have had Love to me. And you could have had Joy in speaking to me. And you could have had Peace of mind in my presence.

Now you are plagued with "evil spirits"

 

[Craig4]

Yep. That is why I am so "depressing" to you. You could have had Love to me. And you could have had Joy in speaking to me. And you could have had Peace of mind in my presence.

Now you are plagued with "evil spirits"

You never had that on offer. You're just a deluded person with a protection order against you.