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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 25

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It would be interesting to see if other motivations reports for acquittals found under 530.2 use the " did not commit the act" phrase. It would prove that M/B's use of it was not just a mistake, a typo, etc. etc. etc.

A simpler way to show that the words in the short-form verdict (PQM, dispositivo) are not a mistake or typo:

The short-form verdict was published on 27 March 2015. The full motivation report, including the short-form verdict at its conclusion, was published and deposited in the Italian court clerk's registry office (the Cancelleria) on 7 September 2015. These dates are recorded on the last page of the motivation report (original Italian version).

So if there was a mistake or typo in the short-form verdict, the CSC would have corrected it in the 6 months before it was filed in the court registry. The wording is thus not a typo or mistake, and that argument is, obviously, absurd.

For the Italian text of the Marasca CSC panel motivation report, see:
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/motivation-reports-appeal-documents/
 
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Not a quibble at all. I'm no expert and can't be bothered going for a citation to back it up....

..... but there's a lingering sense that judges at Cassation have wide latitude to say what they want in relation for the "specification" in relation to the use of Section 530 as the basis of an acquittal.

Meaning: they are not limited by the legislation with regard to the specification - for instance, Section 530.2 makes explicit mention of that section referring to 1) lack of evidence, 2) insufficient, and/or 3) contradictory evidence.....

But it does not look like they are bound by choosing one or more of those specifications. Substituting "did not commit the act" doesn't seem to raise many eyebrows, except for maybe Machiavelli's and Vixen's here......

It would be interesting to see if other motivations reports for acquittals found under 530.2 use the " did not commit the act" phrase. It would prove that M/B's use of it was not just a mistake, a typo, etc. etc. etc.

I made the mistake of once trying to impress a local prosecutor many years ago with my knowledge. Whatever it was we were discussing, I remember him saying that I was basically correct, but was being far far far too legalistic about the law and the Criminal Code.

I think we make that mistake here.
 
I made the mistake of once trying to impress a local prosecutor many years ago with my knowledge. Whatever it was we were discussing, I remember him saying that I was basically correct, but was being far far far too legalistic about the law and the Criminal Code.

I think we make that mistake here.

I have no doubt that M/B used the phrase "did not commit the crime" intentionally and correctly. It's the ridiculous and unsupported claim by Vixen that it has "no legal standing" that prompted my post.
 
I have no doubt that M/B used the phrase "did not commit the crime" intentionally and correctly. It's the ridiculous and unsupported claim by Vixen that it has "no legal standing" that prompted my post.

It does seem odd that a final judgment of the Corte Suprema di Cassazione, filed with the registry of that court's clerk, delivered over two years ago (on 27 March 2015 and filed 7 September 2015) in a case of international notoriety, would have no legal standing. Whatever would that mean? If that "lack of legal standing" were true, wouldn't there be some publicity about that from reputable media in Italy? But why disrupt the fantasies of the few remaining PGP?
 
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It does seem odd that a final judgment of the Corte Suprema di Cassazione, filed with the registry of that court's clerk, delivered over two years ago (on 27 March 2015 and filed 7 September 2015) in a case of international notoriety, would have no legal standing. Whatever would that mean? If that "lack of legal standing" were true, wouldn't there be some publicity about that from reputable media in Italy? But why disrupt the fantasies of the few remaining PGP?

It's not odd at all. The Masons and US Media interests had it all set up. The right palms were greased to look the other way.... it's not that people are bad, but they do have to eat.

The PR machine even fixed it so that no matter who won the 2016 US Presidential election, a Knoxophile would be in the White House. It's probably best that Trump won the White House so that Clinton could continue to work diplomatic back channels out of the glare of Russia probes, etc. With all those Cassation judges to be bribed, because of all the pending criminal charges against people like Hellmann, Zanetti, Marasca, Bruno, Bruce Fischer, Numbers, Acbytesla, Stacyhs, LondonJohn (who'd better pray that the UK gets unhooked from the EU and therefore the ECHR), the PR machine needs to be prepared.

The PR Machine has spent a lot of money recently - particularly at law schools and bar associations. The appropriate threats needed to have been sent to rogue elements who'd ask "embarrassing questions" and go off-of Marriott's script. Of course Marriott would have had to have bought the "muscle" to drag out law school students who'd not follow the line, and still ask those questions - the muscle was there to drag them out and see that their grades would get docked as a result.
 
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It's not odd at all. The Masons and US Media interests had it all set up. The right palms were greased to look the other way.... it's not that people are bad, but they do have to eat.

The PR machine even fixed it so that no matter who won the 2016 US Presidential election, a Knoxophile would be in the White House. It's probably best that Trump won the White House so that Clinton could continue to work diplomatic back channels out of the glare of Russia probes, etc. With all those Cassation judges to be bribed, because of all the pending criminal charges against people like Hellmann, Zanetti, Marasca, Bruno, Bruce Fischer, Numbers, Acbytesla, Stacyhs, LondonJohn (who'd better pray that the UK gets unhooked from the EU and therefore the ECHR), the PR machine needs to be prepared.

The PR Machine has spent a lot of money recently - particularly at law schools and bar associations. The appropriate threats needed to have been sent to rogue elements who'd ask "embarrassing questions" and go off-of Marriott's script. Of course Marriott would have had to have bought the "muscle" to drag out law school students who'd not follow the line, and still ask those questions - the muscle was there to drag them out and see that their grades would get docked as a result.

Now that's an excellent summary of the PGP position, but you left out how it's not possible to throw a 9 lb. boulder through a window and the remarkable forensic DNA findings of Stefanoni, as the case Knox v. Italy will not be reviewed by the ECHR at its headquarters in Brussels.
 
Now that's an excellent summary of the PGP position, but you left out how it's not possible to throw a 9 lb. boulder through a window and the remarkable forensic DNA findings of Stefanoni, as the case Knox v. Italy will not be reviewed by the ECHR at its headquarters in Brussels.

One quibble. That was not a "position". It represents objective fact.

Once the prosecutions start against all the Mignini slanderers, you'll see.
 
One quibble. That was not a "position". It represents objective fact.

Once the prosecutions start against all the Mignini slanderers, you'll see.

It's already started. I received a registered letter this morning from the Perugia prosecutors stating I'm being sued by the police, Stefanoni, and Mignini for calunnia. But it's okay. I contacted Marriott, Clinton, and threw in Bruce Fisher for good measure. They all assured me they have my back and my lawyers will be paid for out of the Friends of Amanda treasury. Whew!
 
It's already started. I received a registered letter this morning from the Perugia prosecutors stating I'm being sued by the police, Stefanoni, and Mignini for calunnia. But it's okay. I contacted Marriott, Clinton, and threw in Bruce Fisher for good measure. They all assured me they have my back and my lawyers will be paid for out of the Friends of Amanda treasury. Whew!

I ratted out Bruce Fischer weeks' ago. Get in line!
 
I ratted out Bruce Fischer weeks' ago. Get in line!

Note how me and Stacyhs ratting out Bruce Fischer kills this thread? Mignini is finally pushing back with a PR effort of his own, and it is starting to bear fruit.

Stacyhs gets a registered letter.... me, I just plain sell out to the highest bidder. Besides, Mignini pays in Euros.
 
Note how me and Stacyhs ratting out Bruce Fischer kills this thread? Mignini is finally pushing back with a PR effort of his own, and it is starting to bear fruit.

Stacyhs gets a registered letter.... me, I just plain sell out to the highest bidder. Besides, Mignini pays in Euros.

Hey! I'd never rat out Bruce. When I called him on the special FOA Hotline, it didn't even go to "hold". He answered right away and, when apprised of the situation, assured me my legal fees would be taken out of the FOA Treasury.

All hail Grand Poobah Bruce of the Great PR Machine!
 
Hey! I'd never rat out Bruce. When I called him on the special FOA Hotline, it didn't even go to "hold". He answered right away and, when apprised of the situation, assured me my legal fees would be taken out of the FOA Treasury.

All hail Grand Poobah Bruce of the Great PR Machine!

Hee hee.
 
Courts do "hypothesise". It is the foundation of "judicial truth". There are few absolutes in law and this is recognized by the way the judicial procedure works. Hence the BARD. If absolutes were reality BARD would be replaced by "without doubt". Upper courts are forced to accept judicial truths in certain countries to accommodate due process with regard to a "retrial". There is a fine line which separates an appeal from double jeopardy.

Of course a verdict comes down on one side of the fence or the other. In this you are correct. Where you are wrong is that the verdict falling either side does necessarily make the verdict impirically valid. It makes it judicially valid (or correct). You confuse the two (deliberately?) to your own end.

You are also correct that the Supreme Court of Appeal considers application of law only and not determination of fact. (Determination of fact could be tantamount to a retrial hence the issue). In the application of law it is within the ambit of the appeal to consider the application of the law applied by the lower court in arriving at a verdict.

In the AK/RS case the application of law was found to be flawed in that even if the hypothesis (and it can only be an hypothesis) of fact were correct (given that the appeal court is bound by these "facts") the verdict was still incorrect in law. It was incorrect for the reasons given by the appeal court and which are well known to readers on this forum. Glaring errors, amnesia and a complete absence of the presence of the appellants in the murder room. In other words...it is not within the ambit of Italian law to come to a verdict of "guilty" when evidence of guilt is absent.

Now here comes the part where the guilters get confused...

The Appeal Court found the errors to be so bad, the investigation to be so flawed, the amnesia to be so profound that referral to a lower court for reconsideration would serve no purpose. The Appeal Court determined that in law it is not possible to convict on the basis of so flawed a case (EVEN with their compelled acceptance of the absurd judicial truths) and therefore the only option is to uphold the appeal without referral.

It is not rocket science. The appeal court is correct and the law simple.


Citation please from the lower courts as to when the police were investigated and found to be so bad, the investigation to be so flawed, the amnesia to be so profound that referral to a lower court for reconsideration would serve no purpose.

Fact is, the lower courts found the pair guilty as charged. They are silent about the investigation. That was something the defence made up. Remember?

As for BARD. That decision belongs not to the prosecutor, or to the defence nor even to the court. The finding or 'guilty beyond reasonable doubt' belongs solely to the jury. Those two separate juries ( a different panel at the Nencini appeal from the Massei first instance trial) found the kids guilty.

If a jury finds you guilty then that finding is sacrosanct. The defence did not show or even argue that the jury was wrong directed.

Marasca had no right to interfere with the decision of a fairly selected jury after a fair trial.

It is as corrupt as a mouldy piece of ham in Denmark.

Time will tell.
 
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It does not go unnoticed that you have not provided a single example where Pringle himself has said he was on death row for 15 years which is what you claimed. Instead, you divert to the tactic of appealing to emotion by f making a further false claim of sympathy for perps over victims. Nice touch, if a bit obvious and predictable, bringing in the "five little children without their dad" bit.

Shall we put your claim that Pringle says he was on death row for 15 years, along with your claim about Gill, into the same growing pile of falsehoods?

Do watch the video - I believe you yourself provided the link - I don't see Pringle or Jacobs correcting the hostess about the false claims.
 
The Italian Cort d'Assise (first-instance court for major crimes) and Cort d'Assise d'Appello (appeals court for major crimes) do not have juries, and there are no juries in the Italian court system. The Massei court was a Cort d'Assise and the Hellmann and Nencini courts were each a Cort d'Assise d'Appello.

The tribunal (panel of judges) on a Cort d'Assise or Cort d'Assise d'Appello consists of two (2) professional judges (that is, they are public officials who are members of the judiciary) and six (6) "popular" (meaning, of the people) or"lay" judges (who are Italian citizens, and who, unlike US jurors, are not subject to a pretrial examination for opinions or objectivity on the case). The popular (lay) judges convene with the professonal judges in passing judgment, thus, contrary to the verdict of a US jury, they do not come to a verdict independently.

Upthread the inaccurate statement was made that there are 15 jurors in an Italian trial. This is false on three counts: 1) there is no jury (in the US or UK sense) in any Italian trial; 2) the lay (popular) judges are not jurors, and 3) there are only 6 lay (popular) judges in a Cort d'Assise or a Cort d'Assise d'Appello.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Code_of_Criminal_Procedure#Judges_of_the_trial
Section: Judges of the trial


So they call them 'judges' instead of jurors.
 
What I find astounding and disturbing is that there is no pre-trial questioning of the lay judges about existing opinions/bias of the case. Couple that with no rules against reading about or discussing the case with anyone during the trial and you have a situation ripe for misinformation, confusion, and prejudice. Nencini said some of the lay judges in this case questioned the judges about things they had heard outside the courtroom:


http://www.ilmessaggero.it/UMBRIA/a...cesso_intervista_giudice/notizie/491474.shtml


Why would it be astonishing? Did you not know that the Italian system is based on an inqusitory framework. Their style is of a panel of judges, as in a tribunal, and their aim is to gather as much information as possible.

That is why no information is barred.

I find it rather hypocritical of you to happily accept Marasca's finding of 'media interference', when Italy has no law against it.

How peculiar.
 
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Vixen, since you have had ample time to provide the quote and citation that "Peter Gill says secondary transfer can only take place within 24 hours" and have failed to do so, we can only conclude that he never said it at all.

But we kind of knew that anyway.

I haven't had a chance, yet.
 
Lince and I are in here somewhere.

I am waiting for the "elegant proof" of Knox wiping the victim's blood from her hands. I can take it, then, that since this proof has not been forthcoming that it, similarly, is bollocks.

But we kind of knew that anyway.

I am also waiting for one, at least one, forensic-DNA expert who'll come out of the weeds - and be cited by Vixen - in support of Stefanoni's original crime-scene forensics. I can take it, then, that since this has not been forthcoming that it, similarly, is bollocks.

But we kind of knew that anyway.


Did you fail to see the post in which I dealt with this extensively?

Herewith again.

Read the court documents.

From Massei, quoting Stefanoni (Dr Stefanoni to you):

Traces that appeared to be of a blood nature [101] were also present on the box of cotton buds, on top of the toilet seat, on the light switch and in the bidet, ‚and there was always the drop upwards, really on the edge and the same continuity up to the bidet siphon, of the common colour and in the same line‛ (pages 134 and 135).

Traces were present also over the bathroom door, not watered down but a vivid red colour.

She specified that she had attended a course where ‚collecting biological substance is taught" (page 148).

She was equipped with gloves, overalls and shoecovers.

She could not remember how many times she changed her gloves but if she noticed that they were spotted proceeded to change them.

The evidence collecting in the small bathroom she did it with a ‘carta bibula’, which is an absorbent paper [disc] and to a question put to her by the defence of Amanda Knox, she stated the following: "when we say finding a drop upstream and a drop downstream ... on the inside for example of the sink ... a drop on the edge of the sink and for continuity there was a drop that ended up towards the sink siphon and had a continuity, is not that one was to the right, one to the left, one here and one over there; it had its own continuity, I had deemed it proper to use the same disc of absorbent paper, as they were equal in colour, pink‛. [- 'DILUTED BLOOD' = Marasca]

Such material singled out was pink, of "washed blood ... in the sense it did not have the characteristic red colour of blood‛.

The same colour other than in the bathroom sink was noted inside the bidet (p. 152).

She specified further that it was not a strip, but "more little specks < with the same continuity‛ (page 153): they were ‚drippings< that gave this continuity‛ and the colouring was the same, always pink.

She did not believe then it might be different traces because of the continuity between the different drops.

and

[198] In the small bathroom, three traces of the victim's blood were found on the bathmat; on the light switch plate with two switches there were traces "of diluted blood, blood presumably mixed with water, as it was pale pink in colour" (page 76) which also came from the victim; a sample was taken from the front part of the faucet of the sink, which yielded the genetic profile of Amanda Knox; another sample taken from a specimen visible to the naked eye on the edge of the drain of the bidet yielded the genetic profiles of the victim and of Knox, a genetic mixture also found on the box of cotton buds near the sink.
The drippings found inside the sink appeared to be diluted blood, pink in colour, proven by testing to be human blood and yielding the genetic mixture of the victim and Knox.
On the toilet cover there was a bloody substance which yielded the genetic profile of the victim; this was also found on the door-frame. Near the toilet flush was another stain presumed to be blood, but which ended up yielding a negative result.

and

Moving on to the findings taken from the small bathroom, it was pointed out that there was a substance most likely of a blood-derived nature on the ‚edge of the bidet drain‛; the sample was taken during the inspection in order to extract the specimen that yielded a genetic result of a mixed profile: victim plus Knox. It was positive for human blood.

The same procedure was done on the container of cotton swabs that was on the sink. The collected sample revealed a mixed genetic profile: victim plus Knox and it tested positive for human blood.

On the left part of the sink there was a trace, this too, most likely of a blood-derived nature since it was of a pinkish colour, like the others.

This particular trace originated from the high part and went towards the drain, towards the lower part. The analysis provided the following results: human blood and the genetic profile of the victim plus that of Amanda Knox.

The samples taken from the toilet lid in the small bathroom provided as a genetic result: victim profile and human blood.

The trace present on the right side of the inside part of the bathroom door frame was positive for human blood and it revealed the genetic profile of the victim.

So, we see, the (dead) victim's blood is all over the small bathroom and the diluted blood indicates the purpose was to clean it off. Stefanoni in Darkness Descending believes the drips were from the knife.

As to method of collection and how it was concluded that the DNA mix happened on the same night:

Regarding the method used to collect [repertazione] the blood stains by means of a small piece of paper that was used to collect a small quantity of blood and then this blood was ‚re-smeared‛ using that same piece of paper (cf. video of November 3, 2007 at 4:45 PM and beyond), she explained that this method ‚may not seem suitable for evidence collection [repertazione+‛ but, in reality and in that specific context, it was suitable ‚due to the nature of the traces that were collected‛.

In this regard she pointed out that ‚both the traces on the sink as well as the traces in the bidet were clearly rosy traces, so they appeared as certainly diluted traces, and they were apparently all of the same origin because they were drippings <they were like a sort of rivulet that started from the top and ended in the drain‛ (page 154).

She pointed out again, to stress the necessity of keeping in mind the context of the evidence collection [repertazione], that such a work method was not used for different traces, objects, and different areas such as the faucet and the cotton swabs.

Rather, it did apply to the evidence which was like a continuous rivulet of pinkish water that was found in the sink or in the bidet.

In response to specific questions regarding these traces, she stated that if they had originated from two different people and in a independent and distinct way, one from the other, what would have formed would have been a mixture of the trace: two DNA that would be separated at the start but that would have joined to form a single trace.
She believed it improbable however, to think of such an origin for the trace, which was proven mixed, and this because of the fact that the same area was affected and because of the much diluted blood appearance.

She stressed, as well, that both of the two specimens recovered in the bidet ‚were<more abundant on the rim and on the plug on the drain, compared to the part, which is let's say, slanted, where there is a very narrow line of the substance<However, she stressed, to the naked eye, this link was evident" (page 157).

In effect, the mixed samples came form similarly diluted 'rivulets' of pink liquid (water + blood). = Deposited the same time at the same event.

For the completeness of Stefanoni's evidence, as presented to the court and accepted:

The questioning of Dr. Stefanoni continued during the hearing of the following day, May 23, 2009.

During this hearing, the subject of the mixed traces of Knox and the victim found in the small bathroom was dealt with: traces on the box of cotton buds, in the sink and in the bidet.

It was further recalled that Knox's blood was present on the faucet of the sink, and Dr. Stefanoni declared that it was coagulated, not fresh blood, and that it was not possible to specify the moment at which this blood had been deposited on the front part of the faucet.

The witness reaffirmed that the mixed trace found in the sink was pink, as was the one in the bidet.

In relation to this colouring, she defined it as that of a diluted substance, rinsed blood.

She explained [228] that the traces were dry, and it was not possible to date them or to determine whether the trace ascribable to Knox had arrived there before the victim's, or vice versa.

She explained that the trace was very light pink, and that the photos and images did not give a visual representation of the reality of the facts as they were observed at the crime scene.

She confirmed that it was a streak.

With reference specifically to the trace found in the bidet, she explained that the trace was not exactly around the drainage outlet, "we didn't exactly go around the outlet, or underneath it, or go scraping on it directly; we went a little bit over...to a place a little bit to the side, here; not exactly the drain outlet itself" (page 12). S

he emphasised that the trace appeared as "a unicum (‚unique specimen‛) of this drip that started from higher up", so therefore it was not exactly at the drain, or more precisely, the interstice between the ceramic and the metal (page 12, hearing on May 23, 2009).

She subsequently emphasised that both in the bidet and in the sink, the traces were not separate, but presented themselves as physically united, without any break in continuity, and thus each one appeared to constitute a unicum, "a trace that I needed to analyse and consider in toto during the analyses...as from their visible aspect they were very diluted, really very, very diluted blood, I made sure that everything was taken that was possible to take, from the top towards the bottom", she explained (pages 13-14).


From the videos of the crime scene inspection, made on November 3, 2007 as has been already stated, it was shown that, concerning the trace on the bidet, the evidence collection from the upper part of the edge of the bidet was continued with the same swab down to the lower part.

Dr. Stefanoni maintained that this was correct methodology, since the trace formed one single drip, even though in the images it was not visible as a unit "because it is located practically underneath this hollow, which is not illuminated...however, there was a very thin thread of continuity" (page 15).

And:

100) found on the box of cotton-buds, in the bidet and inside the bathroom sink.

[243] With regard to the specimen on the box, she highlighted the presence of 4 alleles in the first locus and stressed that the presence was very clear, without too much "background noise" (page 100).

The profile in question, therefore, should correctly be interpreted as being composed of a mixed specimen; and the profiles matched those of Amanda and Meredith.
For the specimen found in the sample recovered in the bidet it was noted that the various alleles, in comparison to those related to the sample on the cotton bud box, were composed by peaks, some of which were much smaller and therefore, she added, ‚we certainly have a specimen with a major donor compared to another donor ... however ... these are alleles that we can identify clearly, although the quantity is much smaller‛ and therefore even this sample should be interpreted as indicative of a mixed trace with the DNA profile of Amanda and Meredith (page
101).

Even the specimen taken inside the washbasin shows DNA from one major donor compared to another, however the presence of several alleles was clear in various loci and therefore it should be considered that a mixed sample was present "with the presence certainly of at least two profiles‛.

She noted that there were also small peaks, difficult to interpret in truth, which could suggest the presence of other donors. However, she emphasised that ‚the alleles present are all very clear‛ and match the profiles of Meredith and Amanda‛ (pages 101 and102).

Massei thus sums up and concludes:

In the bidet there was a substance which appeared to be diluted blood, and which was shown to be a mixed trace specimen having the biological profiles of Amanda and Meredith.

Also in the sink, there was a substance which appeared to be diluted blood, and which was shown to be a mixed trace specimen with the same result.

On the front part of the tap of the sink, there was coagulated blood which was shown to belong to Amanda.

On the box of cotton buds/Q-tips sitting on the sink/washbasin there were stains and these showed the presence of blood and a mixed trace from Amanda and Meredith.

On the light switch in the same bathroom there was a mark which proved to be the victim’s blood.

The sky-blue mat found in that bathroom was stained with blood which was shown to be from the victim.

On the outcome of such tests, not only these but also others of a biological nature, carried out in observance of the provisions contained in Article 360 of the Criminal Procedure Code, no significant and specific criticisms were made.

Instead, the defendants’ teams maintained that these traces and the outcome of the analyses with reference to the mixed sample traces were irrelevant.

In this regard, starting from the scientific data which emerged, according to which DNA analysis does not permit the age of the sample/trace to be determined, nor, in the case of a sample/trace indicating the presence of several biological profiles, can it be established whether their apposition-formation was contemporaneous or not, it was affirmed that, since it concerned a bathroom which was used both by Meredith and by Amanda, the presence of mixed traces seemed to be a completely normal circumstance, and had no significance.

All the more so since the samples had been taken using the same blotting paper which had been used for various parts of the bidet and the sink.

The Court, however, believes that the presence of the biological trace specimens that were found is of great importance.
First, it should be recalled that Amanda Knox, in the course of her own examination (questioning), declared that when she left the house on Via della Pergola on the afternoon of November 1st, the bathroom was clean.

It should then be highlighted that in that same bathroom various [300] trace specimens were found, of a mixed nature and testing positively for blood.

It is true that, according to what was asserted and explained, it is not possible with a mixed trace specimen that tested positive for human blood to determine which of the trace’s contributors the blood belongs to.

In this case, however, non-mixed traces were also found, which were shown to be of a haematological nature [i.e. blood] and turn out to have the biological profile of the victim.

Such traces, in particular the dribble of blood left on the right inside edge of the door and the stains left on the light switch (see photographic illustrations 141, 142; 158, 159) lead to the deduction that whoever entered that bathroom had his or her hands covered in Meredith’s blood.

The Massei court adjudged:

The above observation leads to the deduction that whoever went into the bathroom at that point (after the stabbing of Meredith) must have had to do so to clean him/herself of Meredith’s blood with which he/she was staining the various things he/she touched or leaned against: the door, the light switch, the mat.

And it is probable - not necessary, but probable - that during the following act of scrubbing the hands to remove the blood, he/she left the mixed trace consisting of Meredith’s blood and of cells which had been removed by rubbing during the act of washing.
An entirely probable outcome given the likelihood of the act of scrubbing, yet not a necessary one, since the running water which was used in the shower stall or in the bidet or in the sink, or in several of these sanitary fittings, might well have rinsed away the washed-up blood and the cells which had been lost during this washing.

At this point, one may turn for the resulting evaluations to the trace specimens found in the sink, in the bidet, on the cotton-bud box, traces which tested positive for human blood and which were attributed to Meredith and to Amanda.

[301] While it is not possible to use the genetic scientific data (Dr. Stefanoni explained the impossibility of determining the date, the succession or the simultaneity in the depositing of the components of the mixed trace specimen and the impossibility of attributing the haematological component to one or the other of the contributors), the information previously put forward provides answers which are entirely consistent with the circumstantial evidence that has emerged and which the Court considers convincing.

Amanda was not wounded; in the days following no one spoke of wounds that she might have had; the examination which was carried out on her when measures restricting her personal freedom were taken ruled out the presence of wounds.

Meredith’s situation was the complete opposite.

In relation to this and to the circumstance by which haematological stains attributable to Meredith were found on the inside of the door, on the toilet-seat cover, on the light switch, it should be deduced that the haematological components found in the sink, in the bidet, on the box of cotton buds were also from Meredith.

Nor can it otherwise be argued for the presence of a drop of Amanda’s blood on the tap of the sink.

This consisted of a spot of coagulated blood, with respect to which Amanda explained that it came from her own ear having been pierced; this spot, furthermore, was located towards the inside of the sink: distinct, separate and morphologically different, therefore, from the trace found in the sink itself.

This Court also considers that the components of the mixed trace specimens were deposited simultaneously, and were deposited by Amanda.

Against this conclusion, the observations with respect to the shared use of the bathroom by the two young women, the resulting likelihood of their biological traces being present, and the way in which these specimens were gathered [by the police], are not valid, in the sense that they are not considered either convincing or plausible, neither in relation to the overall situation present in the bathroom, which has been described, nor with [regard to] the statements made by Gioia Brocci and by Dr. Stefanoni, who both stated that the trace specimens present in the bathroom and in the bidet were of the same colour, as of diluted blood, and appeared to constitute one single trace, one [part] in the bidet and one in the sink. The drop at the top [302] and the drop at the bottom had continuity and formed a continuous pattern.

The specimens were collected accordingly, just like any other specimen which necessarily occupies a certain space, and which the technician does not collect one little spot after another.

It should also be noted that the statements according to which the traces in the sink and in the bidet each constituted a single specimen correspond to the act of cleaning the victim’s blood, an action previously mentioned and during which it would have been easy to leave a mixed sample, constituted precisely of biological material from the victim (blood) and biological material from whoever was cleaning (cells lost during scrubbing/rubbing).

It should further be noted that such mixed trace specimens, with the morphology shown, were found both in the sink and in the bidet.

It should be considered that those in the sink occurred when Amanda, as has been said, washed her hands which were stained with Meredith’s blood; in the bidet it should be considered that they [the traces] originated from a similar activity, but in relation to the feet, which must also have been covered with blood as can be inferred from the print of a bare foot left on the sky-blue mat, stained with Meredith’s blood.

This print will be dealt with subsequently.

Reference to it is made now in order to make the point that the presence of such a print of a bare foot brings one to consider that Amanda (also) could have had bare feet, stained with Meredith’s blood.

The mixed trace specimens found in the sink and in the bidet and on the box of cotton buds therefore signify that Amanda, soiled with Meredith’s blood, entered the bathroom which was right next door to the room in which Meredith had been stabbed; putting her hand against the door she left a mark on it and the dribble of blood which remained is a sign [proof] of this, and left a mark also - still with Meredith’s blood - on the light switch; she touched the cotton-bud box which was on the sink and left a mixed trace specimen of herself and of Meredith; to clean her hands she used the sink in which, through the act of scrubbing, she left her own biological trace mixed with that of Meredith, and used the bidet, most likely to wash her feet, which must have become *blood+ stained in Meredith’s room, where there were widespread and abundant traces of blood even on the floor, and where the blood was spattered over various parts of the room, and also in the bidet [303] she left a trace specimen of what appeared to be diluted blood, which contained both her own DNA and that of Meredith.


Are you SURE there is 'no evidence' of Amanda rubbing her hands of Mez' blood?
 
Recently the CSC delivered a final judgment denying Raffaele Sollecito compensation for unfair detention; acquitted persons are generally entitled to such compensation under CPP Article 314. According to a media report quoting his lawyer, Raffaele may bring a case before the ECHR claiming that this denial of compensation was a violation of his Convention rights by Italy.

This post gives some information on ECHR case-law that may apply to that potential case.

A first consideration is that the final judgment denying the compensation may be arbitrary and insufficiently reasoned. Arbitrary reasoning in a judgment which denies someone a deserved benefit or results in a criminal conviction is a violation of Convention Article 6.1 (case law includes, for example, Grădinar v. Moldova 7170/02 and Genov v. Bulgaria 7202/09). Another aspect of this approach is whether the CSC used "judicial facts" that were not supported by real facts, or were based on statements generated in an interrogation of a suspect who was denied a lawyer or subjected to coercion.

But a second approach relies on claiming a violation of Convention Article 6.2, the presumption of innocence. After an acquittal, the former accused continues to be considered innocent of the charges for which he was acquitted, and compensation hearings are tied to the acquittal decision under Italian law and are thus considered an extension of the criminal trial by the ECHR, and the presumption of innocence must therefore be preserved. This approach is outlined in the following excerpt from Allen v. the United Kingdom 25424/09 12/07/2013 (inline references deleted); of particular interest are paragraphs 98 b, c, and d, 100, and 102 - 107. As a further point, the scope of "presumption of innocence" may be of interest to some (paragraphs 93 and 94):

(i) Introduction

92. The object and purpose of the Convention, as an instrument for the protection of human beings, requires that its provisions be interpreted and applied so as to make its safeguards practical and effective. The Court has expressly stated that this applies to the right enshrined in Article 6 § 2.

93. Article 6 § 2 safeguards the right to be “presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law”. Viewed as a procedural guarantee in the context of a criminal trial itself, the presumption of innocence imposes requirements in respect of, inter alia, the burden of proof; legal presumptions of fact and law; the privilege against self-incrimination; pre-trial publicity; and premature expressions, by the trial court or by other public officials, of a defendant’s guilt.
94. However, in keeping with the need to ensure that the right guaranteed by Article 6 § 2 is practical and effective, the presumption of innocence also has another aspect. Its general aim, in this second aspect, is to protect individuals who have been acquitted of a criminal charge, or in respect of whom criminal proceedings have been discontinued, from being treated by public officials and authorities as though they are in fact guilty of the offence charged. In these cases, the presumption of innocence has already operated, through the application at trial of the various requirements inherent in the procedural guarantee it affords, to prevent an unfair criminal conviction being imposed. Without protection to ensure respect for the acquittal or the discontinuation decision in any other proceedings, the fair-trial guarantees of Article 6 § 2 could risk becoming theoretical and illusory. What is also at stake once the criminal proceedings have concluded is the person’s reputation and the way in which that person is perceived by the public. To a certain extent, the protection afforded under Article 6 § 2 in this respect may overlap with the protection afforded by Article 8.
(ii) Applicability of Article 6 § 2

95. As expressly stated in the terms of the Article itself, Article 6 § 2 applies where a person is “charged with a criminal offence”. The Court has repeatedly emphasised that this is an autonomous concept and must be interpreted according to the three criteria set out in its case-law, namely the classification of the proceedings in domestic law, their essential nature, and the degree of severity of the potential penalty. To evaluate any complaint under Article 6 § 2 arising in the context of judicial proceedings, it is first of all necessary to ascertain whether the impugned proceedings involved the determination of a criminal charge, within the meaning of the Court’s case-law.

96. However, in cases involving the second aspect of the protection afforded by Article 6 § 2, which arises when criminal proceedings have terminated, it is clear that the application of the foregoing test is inappropriate. In these cases, the criminal proceedings have, by necessity, been concluded and unless the subsequent judicial proceedings give rise to a new criminal charge within the Convention’s autonomous meaning, if Article 6 § 2 is engaged, it must be engaged on different grounds.

97. The parties did not suggest that the compensation proceedings brought by the applicant gave rise to a “criminal charge”, within the autonomous meaning of the Convention. It is therefore the second aspect of the protection afforded by Article 6 § 2 which is in play in the present case; and the Court will accordingly examine how it has approached the applicability of Article 6 § 2 to subsequent judicial proceedings in such cases.

98. The Court has in the past been called upon to consider the application of Article 6 § 2 to judicial decisions taken following the conclusion of criminal proceedings, either by way of discontinuation or after an acquittal, in proceedings concerning, inter alia:(a) a former accused’s obligation to bear court costs and prosecution costs;
(b) a former accused’s request for compensation for detention on remand or other inconvenience caused by the criminal proceedings; (c) a former accused’s request for defence costs; (d) a former accused’s request for compensation for damage caused by an unlawful or wrongful investigation or prosecution;(e) the imposition of civil liability to pay compensation to the victim;
(f) the refusal of civil claims lodged by the applicant against insurers;
(g) the maintenance in force of a child care order, after the prosecution decided not to bring charges against the parent for child abuse;
(h) disciplinary or dismissal issues; and
(i) the revocation of the applicant’s right to social housing.

99. In a number of these cases, the Court found in favour of the applicability of Article 6 § 2. Explaining why Article 6 § 2 applied despite the absence of a pending criminal charge in a trio of early cases, the Court said that the rulings on the applicants’ entitlement to costs and compensation were “consequences and necessary concomitants of”, or “a direct sequel to”, the conclusion of the criminal proceedings. Similarly, in a later series of cases, the Court concluded that Austrian legislation and practice “link[ed] the two questions – the criminal responsibility of the accused and the right to compensation – to such a degree that the decision on the latter issue could be regarded as a consequence and, to some extent, the concomitant of the decision on the former”, resulting in the applicability of Article 6 § 2 to the compensation proceedings.

100. Developing this idea in subsequent cases, the Court found that the applicants’ compensation claim “not only followed the criminal proceedings in time, but was also tied to those proceedings in legislation and practice, with regard to both jurisdiction and subject matter”, creating a link between the two sets of proceedings with the result that Article 6 § 2 was applicable.
101. In cases concerning the victim’s right to compensation from the applicant, who had previously been found not guilty of the criminal charge, the Court held that where the decision on civil compensation contained a statement imputing criminal liability, this would create a link between the two proceedings such as to engage Article 6 § 2 in respect of the judgment on the compensation claim.

102. More recently, the Court has expressed the view that following discontinuation of criminal proceedings the presumption of innocence requires that the lack of a person’s criminal conviction be preserved in any other proceedings of whatever nature. It has also indicated that the operative part of an acquittal judgment must be respected by any authority referring directly or indirectly to the criminal responsibility of the interested party.
(iii) Conclusion

103. ... the Court would formulate the principle of the presumption of innocence in this context as follows: the presumption of innocence means that where there has been a criminal charge and criminal proceedings have ended in an acquittal, the person who was the subject of the criminal proceedings is innocent in the eyes of the law and must be treated in a manner consistent with that innocence. To this extent, therefore, the presumption of innocence will remain after the conclusion of criminal proceedings in order to ensure that, as regards any charge which was not proven, the innocence of the person in question is respected. This overriding concern lies at the root of the Court’s approach to the applicability of Article 6 § 2 in these cases. 104. Whenever the question of the applicability of Article 6 § 2 arises in the context of subsequent proceedings, the applicant must demonstrate the existence of a link, as referred to above, between the concluded criminal proceedings and the subsequent proceedings. Such a link is likely to be present, for example, where the subsequent proceedings require examination of the outcome of the prior criminal proceedings and, in particular, where they oblige the court to analyse the criminal judgment, to engage in a review or evaluation of the evidence in the criminal file, to assess the applicant’s participation in some or all of the events leading to the criminal charge, or to comment on the subsisting indications of the applicant’s possible guilt.….
(b) Application of the general principles to the facts of the case
….
107. The Court’s task at this stage of its analysis is therefore to examine whether there was a link between the concluded criminal proceedings and the compensation proceedings, having regard to the relevant considerations set out above (see paragraph 104 above). ….

Fact is, compensation for time spent on remand is a privilege, not a right. Nobody in most European countries gets any compensation for this.

Italy has the get-out clause 'brought it on yourself' so they have their backs covered.

People have tried to use the ECHR to get compensation for time spent inside when not found guilty. The ECHR has rejected their applications.
 
Correct me if I am wrong.....

This whole broo-ha-ha about the legal significance of an acquittal based on 530.1 vs. 530.2 began when PIP assumed (back in March 2015) that it had to have been a 530.1 acquittal because M/B had said preliminarily that "they did not commit the act".

Then the motivations report came out in Sept 2015, and it specifically said it had been a 530.2 acquittal.

Among others, Grinder wanted to know why PIP had jumped all over 530.1 5 months' previous and seemed to be "switching tunes" to the equivalency between 530.1 and 530.2 when they'd been so glad it had seemed to have been 530.1 initially.

(How am I doing so far? Does anyone really care at this point?)

I've been passed a weblink to brocardi.it, which gives a summary (a slight modification of the machine language from Italian to English is my own) of what 530.2 represents:

But look what the end-note of the bricardi.it page says:

So it seems that the free and liberal use of the word "innocent" in relation to someone acquitted by virtue of Section 530.2 has some legal basis in Italy, as per at least one on-line legal opinion..... why? Because in Italy they simply do not just announce "not guilty", as we do in N.A., they actually announce "a cause of the absolution" - such cause a part of the verdict, not just in the reason for that verdict, which allows a shift from a negative description (we know what they are not), to a positive one (we now know what they are).

...... for what that is worth.


But there wasn't any 'inability to find a verdict of guilty'. Both the lower courts were unanimous.

What your found webpage proves is that Art 530,2 is strictly speaking a toolkit for the preliminary courts as to whether to list a case for trial.
 
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