Merged A God of Love / The Living God

[Craig4]

Here I am. And this is now your problem too. Living in my Grace. You believed Grace doesn’t exist. So in the face of its “existence” what are you going to say now? Let us see.

Prove this grace exists. All you've established is that you ruined your real life and made a pretend life.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Everything is from God.

Human beings do not live without God. They just live without His nature. So they live in what He created only. They live in His creation. But what is in the nature of God namely Grace, joy, love, peace, patience, etc. they do not have. They can find it in human live which God created. But because it is a “creation” God could not create it in the creation in a perfect way as only He is perfect. So to have it perfectly we can only find it in Him. Thus a rebirth having God as Father is now necessary.

But as you all can see this is problematic. Human beings will have to forfeit their existence. That is impossible. This is only possible with God. And human beings want to do everything by themselves. But for this they need to give themselves to God. And sadly only some manage to do this.

So human beings now become gods in themselves and create for themselves what God has in abundance in Himself. They create for themselves also “other gods” by which they can find these attributes which are in God. They create for themselves money. By this they can enjoy the “pleasures” of life and find “joy” in the “pleasures of live”. So they enjoy buying nice food that sends a nice “feeling” to the brain. And they say they have “joy”. And this “joy” is not lasting because the stomach gets full. Shame. But I once heard that the rich Romans had a solution. They just go and vomit. Then they eat again. I wonder who of you have tried it or are practicing this.

Others try to get joy and peace from luxury. They buy for them comfortable houses, cars and get a “comfortable office”. They live in this comfortable houses with its heaters for winter and air conditioners for summer. And they climb into their cars inside the comfortable garage and get the temperature comfortable. Then they push the buttons and the garage door opens and the gate opens and they drive to their workplace and into the comfortable parking there. Then they move up in the comfortable elevators into their comfortable offices. And they have this comfortable life and “enjoying” it. So they say they have “joy”. Their god which goes by the name of Money gave it to them.

Here in South Africa they create “peace and joy” for themselves also in another ways. Every year they go on holiday for a month. They take a caravan and go to the sea. There they sit and look at the waves. They say they found “joy and peace”. Only problem is. It is peace for a month only. And you need money for that.

In Nkqubela we live next to the airfield. They jump from aeroplanes and “fall” to earth. They try to discover the enjoyment of birds in the sky. Only problem is that joy found this way is very short lived. Maybe 5 minutes. But I heard that the fear of death is also part of it. There is a chance that the parachute does not open.

Here in the tavern where I am working they create peace and joy for themselves in another way again. We in South Africa have a five day workweek. Two days of “rest” and 5 days of work. So Saturday and Sunday are days off. And many come here to find what God is. They come here buy their alcohol and start their conversations. No stress of living just an escape for for two days in conversation and joy coming from the created situation and the liquor. So I have this saying to them. You live for two days and for five days you dead. You will live approximately seventy years. But 20 years you will be alive and 50 years you will be dead.

So: actually God is alive and human beings are dead.

I would like now to involve you in this thread. Is there anybody that wants to share his way with us? Tell us what it is in your live that makes your life worth living for. How are you, being god yourself, creating your own life? How are you using what God created that which He is by nature. I would like to hear. And I believe others also want to hear about your “struggle”. Because empty of what makes life worth living for, you need to find elsewhere. And you have to find it in God’s creation. He created it for you.

But somebody’s life should teach him that what he discovered is but the creation. The Creator could not create Himself in His creation. The one Creating is always alongside that which He is creating. And what someone is creating is always less than the One that is creating. But He created the creation to teach us about Himself. And He created everything worthwhile to help us understand that He is that which is worthwhile. But He does not need to find it in His creation. It is who He is. He is Joy, Peace, Love, Patience, Glory, Grace, Righteous, Holy, Goodness, Meekness, Gentleness, Long suffering and whatever good you can think of.

And here we find the reason for the creation. All these good attributes of God needs to be shared. It cannot be selfishly enjoyed. And love can only be love if it is taught and accepted. It can never be forced. So Love is taught here. Some will accept and some not. Some will see and others not. But it is a choice. It is a choice to see and it is a choice not to see. But to be able to “choose not to see” there must be something to see.

 

[Johanabrahams]

100,000 lemmings can't all be wrong.

This signature is intended to irritate people.

yep. They live by instinct.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Close to the mark indeed.

Gossips is never close.

I have satisfied myself as to the veracity of what I have been told.

With gossip.

The mods have ruled discussion of same to be off topic so I suggest you drop it.

These mods yes.

Nobody here is "in fear of you". What is there to fear? My actions are simply those of a skeptic.

You met with it in my hometown.

Take the time to determine the facts. I did.

And you got caught by gossip motivated by fear.

End of story.

And you are on the run.

 

[Johanabrahams]

Let's go point by point, because your replies appear to veer off into the same old stuff every time...

You look for something new and interesting. I know. Human beings need that to enjoy life.

You said you wanted to teach us things.
You never say what these lessons are.

Ok I gave some.

The only thing you do keep doing is assert that you are special. (You claim to be God, you claim to be the bride of God, you claim to be the Son of God, you claim to be our mother)

You learned a lot.

Every time people ask you what this means you do not answer the question, you just repeat your assertions and pretend it's 'wisdom'.

Repeating helps the Truth to sink in.

Every time people ask you what lessons you have to teach, you repeat your claims of divinity without answering the question.

Don't forget the proof I also gave.

Sometimes you veer off angrily into talking about your various feuds with your neighbours, ex-wife, 'spiritual' rivals and casual acquaintances. All unprompted.

It was for a purpose. Seems you missed it.

You then return to claiming you have superhuman amounts of love and whatever to give. Love you always describe, but never demonstrate.

You are just missing the demonstration.

Now, where does this lead us?
You clearly have no interest in a discussion.
You have no interest in teaching those lessons you go on about.

You already learned a lot. The rest is coming. And while waiting patience is created.

You have constructed the persona of some kind of generous forgiving loving god-man.

Something was taught. And you got it.

However, everything you post indicated this is a very thin veil over a lot of anger, resentment, and perhaps even paranoia (you keep claiming everyone is out to destroy you when the mask slips).

This is your opinion.

My conclusion?
If this fake persona you've created helps you cope with life, who am I to tell you to stop?

Another opinion of yours.

I can't advise you to get professional help.

Another important realization that broke through.

I'm not interested in feeding your delusions.

I am the one "feeding".

I am (perhaps morbidly) curious to see where this thread is going.

Good. Not a good reason for staying together. But at least you are not away.

 

[Johanabrahams]

You miss the reference. Judging by your reaction, the issues surrounding Robertson are sensitive to you.

Obviously my "bible" is important. That is my life. That is who I am. If understood relationship is strengthened and taken beyond "incognito". You should give it a thought. If you do not know me and I do not know you there is no meaningful relationship. We can only advance in "putting ourselves on the table."

God was first. Now I did it too. When will you follow? Or do you like the fake?

 

[Johanabrahams]

Prove your godliness oh "goddess".

Just stay with us. God opens the eyes of the blind.

Go all omniscient or omnipotent. Well, can you?

Maybe there are more worthy "proof".

Making your crappy township suck less and prove your god like powers had something to do with it.

So how should they "suck less"?

 

[Craig4]

Obviously my "bible" is important. That is my life. That is who I am. If understood relationship is strengthened and taken beyond "incognito". You should give it a thought. If you do not know me and I do not know you there is no meaningful relationship. We can only advance in "putting ourselves on the table."

God was first. Now I did it too. When will you follow? Or do you like the fake?

You writing down your failures and claiming to be a goddess does not a bible make.

 

[Beady]

Everything is from God.

Human beings do not live without God. They just live without His nature. So they live in what He created only. They live in His creation. But what is in the nature of God namely Grace, joy, love, peace, patience, etc. they do not have. They can find it in human live which God created. But because it is a “creation” God could not create it in the creation in a perfect way as only He is perfect. So to have it perfectly we can only find it in Him. Thus a rebirth having God as Father is now necessary.

But as you all can see this is problematic. Human beings will have to forfeit their existence. That is impossible. This is only possible with God. And human beings want to do everything by themselves. But for this they need to give themselves to God. And sadly only some manage to do this.

So human beings now become gods in themselves and create for themselves what God has in abundance in Himself. They create for themselves also “other gods” by which they can find these attributes which are in God. They create for themselves money. By this they can enjoy the “pleasures” of life and find “joy” in the “pleasures of live”. So they enjoy buying nice food that sends a nice “feeling” to the brain. And they say they have “joy”. And this “joy” is not lasting because the stomach gets full. Shame. But I once heard that the rich Romans had a solution. They just go and vomit. Then they eat again. I wonder who of you have tried it or are practicing this.

Others try to get joy and peace from luxury. They buy for them comfortable houses, cars and get a “comfortable office”. They live in this comfortable houses with its heaters for winter and air conditioners for summer. And they climb into their cars inside the comfortable garage and get the temperature comfortable. Then they push the buttons and the garage door opens and the gate opens and they drive to their workplace and into the comfortable parking there. Then they move up in the comfortable elevators into their comfortable offices. And they have this comfortable life and “enjoying” it. So they say they have “joy”. Their god which goes by the name of Money gave it to them.

Here in South Africa they create “peace and joy” for themselves also in another ways. Every year they go on holiday for a month. They take a caravan and go to the sea. There they sit and look at the waves. They say they found “joy and peace”. Only problem is. It is peace for a month only. And you need money for that.

In Nkqubela we live next to the airfield. They jump from aeroplanes and “fall” to earth. They try to discover the enjoyment of birds in the sky. Only problem is that joy found this way is very short lived. Maybe 5 minutes. But I heard that the fear of death is also part of it. There is a chance that the parachute does not open.

Here in the tavern where I am working they create peace and joy for themselves in another way again. We in South Africa have a five day workweek. Two days of “rest” and 5 days of work. So Saturday and Sunday are days off. And many come here to find what God is. They come here buy their alcohol and start their conversations. No stress of living just an escape for for two days in conversation and joy coming from the created situation and the liquor. So I have this saying to them. You live for two days and for five days you dead. You will live approximately seventy years. But 20 years you will be alive and 50 years you will be dead.

So: actually God is alive and human beings are dead.

I would like now to involve you in this thread. Is there anybody that wants to share his way with us? Tell us what it is in your live that makes your life worth living for. How are you, being god yourself, creating your own life? How are you using what God created that which He is by nature. I would like to hear. And I believe others also want to hear about your “struggle”. Because empty of what makes life worth living for, you need to find elsewhere. And you have to find it in God’s creation. He created it for you.

But somebody’s life should teach him that what he discovered is but the creation. The Creator could not create Himself in His creation. The one Creating is always alongside that which He is creating. And what someone is creating is always less than the One that is creating. But He created the creation to teach us about Himself. And He created everything worthwhile to help us understand that He is that which is worthwhile. But He does not need to find it in His creation. It is who He is. He is Joy, Peace, Love, Patience, Glory, Grace, Righteous, Holy, Goodness, Meekness, Gentleness, Long suffering and whatever good you can think of.

And here we find the reason for the creation. All these good attributes of God needs to be shared. It cannot be selfishly enjoyed. And love can only be love if it is taught and accepted. It can never be forced. So Love is taught here. Some will accept and some not. Some will see and others not. But it is a choice. It is a choice to see and it is a choice not to see. But to be able to “choose not to see” there must be something to see.

Do you really believe that people read your walls of text?

This signature is intended to irritate people.

 

[The Norseman]

Gossips is never close.

With gossip.

These mods yes.

You met with it in my hometown.

And you got caught by gossip motivated by fear.

And you are on the run.

Seeing your other posts in this forum (and your own personal stuff you linked to) leads any reasonable skeptic to seek other input for verification. In other words, you really expect us to just take your word for it? Nah. You're simply trying to dismiss other people's legitimate input and concern for things you're doing and saying by telling us, "yeah, but... gossip!"

Sorry lady but that's just not gonna fly here.

 

[PartSkeptic]

Do not despair. There is hope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Berkowitz

During 1987, Berkowitz became an evangelical Christian in prison. According to his personal testimony, his moment of conversion occurred after reading Psalm 34:6 from a Bible given to him by a fellow inmate. He says he is no longer to be referred to as the "Son of Sam" but the "Son of Hope".

 

[abaddon]

Do not despair. There is hope.

News at 11. Wingnut joins wingnut church in prison.

Seriously, are you endorsing Evangelical Christianity? Do you not realise that they would claim that you are of Satan?

 

[PartSkeptic]

News at 11. Wingnut joins wingnut church in prison.

Seriously, are you endorsing Evangelical Christianity? Do you not realise that they would claim that you are of Satan?

I would suggest that if he had found the God of Love BEFORE he turned violent, then the Son of Sam serial killings might never have happened.

I would also suggest that that book, the Bible, has a powerful message - for those who would hear it (properly).

34:6 This poor man called, and the LORD heard him; he saved him out of all his troubles.

And just why would Evangelical Christianity claim I am of Satan?

 

[Border Reiver]

I would suggest that if he had found the God of Love BEFORE he turned violent, then the Son of Sam serial killings might never have happened.

Alternatively, if he'd received treatment for his mental illness prior to turning violent, then he might never have turned violent.

Given that the Son of Sam claimed he was killing people as a result of receiving instructions from a demon, I'm thinking that changing one imaginary voice in his head to another might not have stopped the violence.

I would also suggest that that book, the Bible, has a powerful message - for those who would hear it (properly).

The message of the OT is "Do what I say, or else be destroyed in this world."

The message of the NT is "Do what I say, or be destroyed in this world AND the next."

And just why would Evangelical Christianity claim I am of Satan?

We can start here. Belief in reincarnation runs counter to Christian belief and evangelicals tend to be of the opinion that such things are of Satan.

 

[Donn]

News at 11. Wingnut joins wingnut church in prison.

Seriously, are you endorsing Evangelical Christianity? Do you not realise that they would claim that you are of Satan?

More, "Oh no— I'm not a Christian!" from a believer who has long parted from being a skeptic.

 

[abaddon]

And just why would Evangelical Christianity claim I am of Satan?

Why don't you ask them what their position is on Tarot?

 

[PartSkeptic]

Alternatively, if he'd received treatment for his mental illness prior to turning violent, then he might never have turned violent.

Given that the Son of Sam claimed he was killing people as a result of receiving instructions from a demon, I'm thinking that changing one imaginary voice in his head to another might not have stopped the violence.

The point is that he was not diagnosed. Better to raise a child in an environment where he feels safe and secure, and can turn to God to ask for help. Even if God is imaginary, it gives people the sense they are never alone and abandoned.

The message of the OT is "Do what I say, or else be destroyed in this world."

The message of the NT is "Do what I say, or be destroyed in this world AND the next."

You really see only the negatives. Did your parents and/or the church put the fear of God into you instead of the love of God?

However, I will say that the God of the OT was a God of Wrath whereas the God of the NT is a God of Love.

 

[Zivan]

Even if God is imaginary, it gives people the sense they are never alone and abandoned.

Same with all imaginary friends and unicorns.

However, I will say that the God of the OT was a God of Wrath whereas the God of the NT is a God of Love.

That old chestnut. *yawn*

So you just threw monotheism out the door?

I thought christianity taught that junior was the same as dad......

 

[Pixel42]

The point is that he was not diagnosed. Better to raise a child in an environment where he feels safe and secure, and can turn to God to ask for help. Even if God is imaginary, it gives people the sense they are never alone and abandoned.

The problem arises, of course, when they then imagine that God giving them instructions to kill people. How do you persuade them those instructions should not be followed, when you've already taught them to trust the (apparent) source?

 

[Border Reiver]

The point is that he was not diagnosed. Better to raise a child in an environment where he feels safe and secure, and can turn to God to ask for help. Even if God is imaginary, it gives people the sense they are never alone and abandoned.

If the point is that he wasn't diagnosed, then the point is that he should have been treated, not left to deal with the voices in his head. Regardless of whether he thought those voices were from a demon or a deity, he felt the only way to silence them was to kill.

You really see only the negatives. Did your parents and/or the church put the fear of God into you instead of the love of God?

I was raised in a church that promoted fellowship and community. The ministers of my youth treated the OT as allegories for behaviour, not historical or scientific fact. Then I left home and found that many of the rest were more interested in fellowship and community, but only for other people who believe as we do.

This lead to realizing that the "love of God" is really just a feeling of fellowship with my fellow humans and the positive feeling for working for a greater social good and that the invisible man in the sky was superfluous to the whole deal. This followed with reading the Bible and realizing what we were being asked to believe by many churches was contradicted by science and history, and that many of history's atrocities were the result of fanatics thinking they absolutely needed to force their idea of the truth, be it political, philosophical or religious onto others in order to save those others from damnation/exploitation/etc.

However, I will say that the God of the OT was a God of Wrath whereas the God of the NT is a God of Love.

You realize that it's a "love me, or burn in Hell" deal don't you?