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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 25

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So, let me get this straight; because Jacobs had legally registered guns in her name because her husband couldn't own guns due to being on parole for attempted robbery when was 20 and decades later married a man who had his own conviction overturned, that just "says it all for you"? It's not important that no gun residue consistent with having shot a gun was found on Jacob's hands (but was on Rhodes' hands and possibly on Tafero's), that the jailhouse snitch who said Jacobs had confessed later admitted she had lied, and that Rhodes later confessed three times to being the one who shot the officers? Your criteria for judging people leaves a lot to be desired.

As for Pringle being sentenced to death, according to the Irish Examiner Nov 04, 2012:





Ireland abolished the death penalty in 1990, ten years after Pringle was sentenced. His sentence was commuted to life in prison just days before his scheduled execution.

We went through all of this last May (see pages 48-49) and I provided evidence then that Pringle was, indeed, sentenced to hang and the facts from Jacobs' case I listed above. Why do you insist on claiming that Pringle was not sentenced to death when it has already been proved months ago?

You also made false claims that Amanda was "spouting some pseudo-feminist garbage" in the New Day Interview. You were proved wrong with that, too, when I provided the video (pg 48) of that interview. And, please, your claim that Amanda declared her and Sunny as 'Sistas Togevver' is also false.

You are ignorant in this matter. As I said, Ireland had already determined to commute the death penalty.

Hello? Pringle is still alive? <face palm> If you get a death sentence it happens immediately, not 'ten years later' LOL.

So you are in solidarity with scum who think nothing of killing innocent policemen who are just doing their job and protecting the community leaving young families without a dad.
 
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Part of the seeming controversy about CPP Article 530 results from issues of translation: meaning and grammar. Careful examination shows that CPP Article 530.2 includes the case when the evidence (or proof) is absent, missing, or lacking (in Italian, "manca", as has been stated by LondonJohn) and 530.2 is ALSO (in Italian, "anche"), like 530.1, an acquittal.

Here's the Italian text of CPP Article 530:

Art. 530 - Sentenza di assoluzione
1. Se il fatto non sussiste, se l'imputato non lo ha commesso, se il fatto non costituisce reato o non è previsto dalla legge come reato ovvero se il reato è stato commesso da persona non imputabile o non punibile per un'altra ragione, il giudice pronuncia sentenza di assoluzione indicandone la causa nel dispositivo.
2. Il giudice pronuncia sentenza di assoluzione anche quando manca, è insufficiente o è contraddittoria la prova che il fatto sussiste, che l'imputato lo ha commesso, che il fatto costituisce reato o che il reato è stato commesso da persona imputabile.
3. Se vi è la prova che il fatto è stato commesso in presenza di una causa di giustificazione o di una causa personale di non punibilità ovvero vi è dubbio sull'esistenza delle stesse, il giudice pronuncia sentenza di assoluzione a norma del comma 1.
4. Con la sentenza di assoluzione il giudice applica, nei casi previsti dalla legge, le misure di sicurezza.

Here's the English translation (Google and Gialuz et al. and me):

Art. 530 - Judgment of Acquittal

1. If the offense {criminal act} did not occur, if the accused did not commit it, if the act is not considered {deemed} a crime {offense} by law or if the offense was committed by a person who cannot be accused or is not punishable for a different reason, the judge shall deliver a judgment of acquittal, indicating the cause in the disposition {operative part of the judgment}.

2. The judge shall deliver a judgment of acquittal also when the evidence is absent {missing or lacking}, insufficient or contradictory that the criminal act occurred, that the accused committed it, the act is deemed an offense by law, or that the offense was committed by a person who can be accused {that is, with mental capacity}.

3. The judge shall deliver a judgment of acquittal pursuant to paragraph 1 if there is evidence that the underlying causes of the committed act are either a reason for justification or a personal reason for exemption from punishment or if there is doubt {suggesting the} existence of such reasons.

4. By means of the judgment of acquittal, the judge shall apply, in the cases provided for by law, security measures.
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Note that the specification "the accused did not commit the (criminal) act" is present in 530.2 as "anche quando manca, è insufficiente o è contraddittoria la prova ... che l'imputato lo ha commesso" = "also when the evidence is absent, insufficient or contradictory ... that the accused committed it {the criminal act}")


Still no sign of the words 'did not do it'.
 
Yes. I thought he was from the little I had read of his posts at the time, my being new to ISF.

Grinder didn't argue like a PGP. He didn't resort to personal nasty attacks on Knox and Sollecito, didn't ignore science when it wasn't convenient, nor did he just make things up.

Suddenly you are Grinder's best friend.
 


Oh dear.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Norn Irn

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Norn Iron

https://www.inyourpocket.com/belfast/How-till-spake-Norn-Iron-A-guide-to-local-phrases_70619f

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Norn_Iron

https://happydomesticity.wordpress.com/norn-iron-speek-or-northern-irish-dictionary/


Come back to me with a reference to "Norn" alone being used as a reference to Northern Ireland, and we can talk. But you won't be able to. Do you know how I know that? It's because "Norn" is NEVER used as a reference to Northern Ireland, and never has been.

And we move on.........
 
Oh dear.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Norn Irn

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Norn Iron

https://www.inyourpocket.com/belfast/How-till-spake-Norn-Iron-A-guide-to-local-phrases_70619f

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Norn_Iron

https://happydomesticity.wordpress.com/norn-iron-speek-or-northern-irish-dictionary/


Come back to me with a reference to "Norn" alone being used as a reference to Northern Ireland, and we can talk. But you won't be able to. Do you know how I know that? It's because "Norn" is NEVER used as a reference to Northern Ireland, and never has been.

And we move on.........

As I said a friend of mine, a high up civil servant who briefed a Northern Irish minister as part of her job used 'Norn' as a shorthand in her messages to a forum and so did everybody else.

OK?
 
You are ignorant in this matter. As I said, Ireland had already determined to commute the death penalty.

Hello? Pringle is still alive? <face palm> If you get a death sentence it happens immediately, not 'ten years later' LOL.

So you are in solidarity with scum who think nothing of killing innocent policemen who are just doing their job and protecting the community leaving young families without a dad.
How naive. That never happens. Even in Pringles case his execution was scheduled for a month after sentencing. And the sentence, while not carried out, stood for a further 5 months without being carried out.
 
DNA on its own is useless evidence.

Vixen,

I think you've missed the point; once more.
I will try once more...
Person A is murdered
Person B DNA is on the clothing of person A
Person B died two years before the murder
With your understanding of DNA and it's transfer, please explain?
 
How naive. That never happens. Even in Pringles case his execution was scheduled for a month after sentencing. And the sentence, while not carried out, stood for a further 5 months without being carried out.

As I pointed out - and I provided a newspaper source in my original post, from The Irish Examiner, Pringle was never in any danger of being executed because as of the time of his sentencing Ireland had already decided to get rid of the death penalty and there was a moratorium (no pun intended) as of that moment.

Do get up to speed. Or you will be fooled by the 'Innocence Project' fraudsters who falsely claim to have been 'exonerated from the death penalty' and might even donate your cash to them, as requested on their fancy websites.

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Peter Pringle was not on death row for 15 years, and such a statement is highly misleading. It invites readers to assume his experience resonates with that of some of the appalling miscarriage of justices experienced in the USA by many, including his partner Jacobs. The reality is that Pringle’s case is from another world. He, along with two other men, was convicted of the murder of two gardaí in 1980. Detective John Morley and Garda Henry Byrne had five young children between them when they were shot dead during a robbery in Co Roscommon. The killers were acting under a republican flag of convenience.
 
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Vixen,

I think you've missed the point; once more.
I will try once more...
Person A is murdered
Person B DNA is on the clothing of person A
Person B died two years before the murder
With your understanding of DNA and it's transfer, please explain?

Obviously the DNA was deposited on the clothing by the person whose DNA it belonged to. You claim he was dead two years as of the date of the murder. However, if he had at any time worn that clothing (perhaps his widow donated his clothes to a charity shop, as often happens in the UK) it's not improbable a local fellow in the same area could have bought it.
 
As I said a friend of mine, a high up civil servant who briefed a Northern Irish minister as part of her job used 'Norn' as a shorthand in her messages to a forum and so did everybody else.

OK?


Then she was wrong.

OK?

(How are you doing on finding any references to "Norn" being used as slang for "Northern Ireland"....? :D )
 
Obviously the DNA was deposited on the clothing by the person whose DNA it belonged to. You claim he was dead two years as of the date of the murder. However, if he had at any time worn that clothing (perhaps his widow donated his clothes to a charity shop, as often happens in the UK) it's not improbable a local fellow in the same area could have bought it.


Classic!!!!!!

You mean the dead guy's clothes - which his widow (if indeed he was married/partnered) took to a charity shop WITHOUT EVEN BOTHERING TO WASH (and, by the way, if unwashed clothes ever do get given to a charity shop, I know for a fact that every major UK charity shop would wash them before putting them on display/sale) - just happened to be bought by a guy who happened to work at the very same place.

The illogicality and poor reasoning just gets better and better.........
 
As I pointed out - and I provided a newspaper source in my original post, from The Irish Examiner, Pringle was never in any danger of being executed because as of the time of his sentencing Ireland had already decided to get rid of the death penalty and there was a moratorium (no pun intended) as of that moment.
And you are still wrong. Pringle was scheduled to be executed and would have been were it not for the appeals process. The matter of abolishing the death penalty was not raised until three months AFTER Pringles sentence was scheduled to be carried out and a mere two months before his sentence was commuted. There was no "moratorium".

Do get up to speed. Or you will be fooled by the 'Innocence Project' fraudsters who falsely claim to have been 'exonerated from the death penalty' and might even donate your cash to them, as requested on their fancy websites.

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Don't even attempt to be patronising when you cannot even get basic facts right.
 
Obviously the DNA was deposited on the clothing by the person whose DNA it belonged to. You claim he was dead two years as of the date of the murder. However, if he had at any time worn that clothing (perhaps his widow donated his clothes to a charity shop, as often happens in the UK) it's not improbable a local fellow in the same area could have bought it.

Wrong!

Person B and person A were in the same building but two years apart. Person A was murdered in this building and had person B's DNA on her clothing. So - Person B's DNA had been in the building for two years prior to the visit to the building by person A. Person A brushed up against this two year old DNA deposit and the DNA was thus transferred.
 
As I said a friend of mine, a high up civil servant who briefed a Northern Irish minister as part of her job used 'Norn' as a shorthand in her messages to a forum and so did everybody else.

OK?

Vixen just happens to have a friend with a high ranking civil service job in Northern Ireland. Vixen constantly bangs on about Amanda and Raffaele lying and then comes up with Walter Mitty fantasies about people she has known.
 
Yes, Chris. I believe you are correct.

Welcome back Mike1711. I apologize for referring to you as Mike1171.

Not much has changed in the thread since your last activity. Machiavelli made a brief appearance to assure us that the prosecutions against Hellmann, Zanetti, Marasca, Bruno, Bruce Fischer and all PIP are just around the corner.
 
Sticks and Stones trilogy, by Sienna Reid, Sat Jul 22 in Seattle, 11 until noon. Factory Luxe 3100 Airport Way South Seattle, WA 98134

Reid's work chronicles the actual name-calling Amanda Knox endured by police and the press in the early days of this wrongful conviction.

The subtitle says it all: "It's not about her."
 
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