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Happy 70th UFO Anniversary!

This is getting ridiculous. We know that time exists. If these are not time travelers, what else could they be?

This is an appeal to incredulity, by god. I've got morgue photos from Roswell autographed by Glenn Dennis.

I've also got a dinner menu from The Last Supper signed by Jesus H. Christ himself.

Let's see some of the debunkers disprove that.
 
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arthwollipot said:
Why do you close your eyes to the reality that these phenomena are caused by - can only be caused by - incorporeal ghosts?
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Because, I saw one myself in 1968 as the object passed over my base in Vietnam, and upon my one-year deployment, I was assigned to a base that was active in cases where UFOs shutdown our Minuteman missiles.
 
carlitos said:
Proof by big font. We have seen this before, from certain ufology people.
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What many people are unaware of is that the Air Force has already acknowleged that the UFOs in question are; in the Air Force's own words, "interplanetary spaceships" which was reconfirmed in its 1952 intelligence report and Major Donald Keyhole was going to reveal to the public in 1958 on Live TV what the government knew before the CBS censors cut him off. In the words of CBS, it was done "in the interest of national security."
In addition to my own sighting and experience elsewhere, it is no longer a matter of if ET is here.

I have been made aware the objects continue to enter earth's atmosphere from deep space which is something you won't read in the newspapers everyday. In other words, our deep space surveillance assets could have detected 3 objects entering earth's atmosphere at 0432Z on June 14, 2017 and the public would have been totally unaware of what occurred because that information would have been classified.

Let's listen in on the ATC and aircraft communications regarding an actual encounter with a gigantic UFO, which was also witnessed by multiple aircraft including a pilot of a F-117 stealth fighter and understand that such encounters are more common than you think.


American West Flight 564 UFO Sighting (1995) (Audio Tapes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXsrH2qT2O4



1995 Bariloche UFO Encounter

Reported in newspapers around the world including the LA Times and San Francisco Chronicle. Saucer blacked out portions of the city.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c33e6d4314f6.jpg

A flying saucer perturbed the air traffic at Bariloche airport.

SAN CARLOS DE BARILOCHE 02/08 (AFP) = On Monday morning, around ten eye-witnesses reported that, moving at high velocity and defying all known laws of physics, a white flying saucer perturbed the air traffic at the San Carlos de Bariloche airport, located 1 800 km S-W of Buenos-Aires, during 15 minutes on Monday to Tuesday night.

The observation stated on Monday at 23:30 GMT (Tuesday 01H30 HB) while Aérolinas Argentinas flight 674, en route from Buenos Aires with 102 passengers and 3 crew members was on final approach to land on the runway of Bariloche airport, an in vogue winter resort located on the first slopes of the Andes.

"The pilot of the plane had to accomplish a desperate escape maneuver not to collide with an unidentified flying object (UFO)" said several members of the Argentine military air forces. These testimonies were confirmed by Major Jorge Oviedo himself who "also saw a UFO" and who stated that "a power failure occurred at the same time in the city and all recording and measure apparatus at the airport were jammed". Several inhabitants claimed they saw the UFO just before the power failure.

"We were 15 minutes away from landing at Bariloche. The local air traffic controller gave us clearance for initiating the instrument landing procedure. We came down from level 120 (i.e. 12,000 feet) to level 30 (i.e. 3,000 feet; around 1,000 meters) said pilot Jorge Polanco.

"As I was initiating final descent, I saw suddenly a white light in front of the plane, moving at high speed directly towards us before stopping instantly around 100 meters away. When I re-initiated the approach procedure, the object turned in a strange way to accompany our descent turn and kept a trajectory parallel to that of the plane, still 100 meters away " said the pilot.

" My plane was working properly, but after a while, the color of the saucer (the size of which was comparable to that of a liner), shifted. Two green lights at the extremities and a slowly flashing orange one at the center appeared ", he added.

" As I was almost landing, the runway lights and those of the airport shut off at once. I therefore had to apply full throttle to climb again to 3 000 feet, tempting to perform an escape maneuver, but always accompanied by the UFO, which eventually climbed at a supernatural speed. I did not believe my eyes and I was very anxious, as were my fellow crew members " added Polanco who stated that " the UFO was not moving in accordance with known laws of nature and physics ".

"When the lights came back, I initiated again the final decent. The UFO then disappeared at very high speed towards CERRO OTTO (a local mountain) ", concluded the pilot, who admitted he stayed " five minutes in the pilot cabin feeling sick once on the ground ".

An investigation has been open to try to determine the origin of the mysterious flying object./.MTH

http://www.ufocom.eu/UfocomS/usbariloche.htm
 
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skyeagle409 said:
What many people are unaware of is that the Air Force has already acknowleged that the UFOs in question are; in the Air Force's own words, "interplanetary spaceships" which was reconfirmed in its 1952 intelligence report and Major Donald Keyhole was going to reveal to the public in 1958 on Live TV what the government knew before the CBS censors cut him off. In the words of CBS, it was done "in the interest of national security."
In addition to my own sighting and experience elsewhere, it is no longer a matter of if ET is here.

I have been made aware the objects continue to enter earth's atmosphere from deep space which is something you won't read in the newspapers everyday. In other words, our deep space surveillance assets could have detected 3 objects entering earth's atmosphere at 0432Z on June 14, 2017 and the public would have been totally unaware of what occurred because that information would have been classified.

Let's listen in on the ATC and aircraft communications regarding an actual encounter with a gigantic UFO, which was also witnessed by multiple aircraft including a pilot of a F-117 stealth fighter and understand that such encounters are more common than you think.


American West Flight 564 UFO Sighting (1995) (Audio Tapes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXsrH2qT2O4
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This is an oft-repeated claim by UFO believers.
If the military-industrial complex has known about the existence of alien visitors to earth since (as you claim) the 18th century, can you point to any changes of technology that have occurred as a result? How about any changes in strategic alliances? Did the very real and proven extraterrestrial threat bring rival countries together? Beyond pointless buzzing about, have the aliens actually done anything meaningful, like landing and getting out of their ships, ideally in a major population centre so we can have a bit of a meet and greet?
You see, I cannot see any actual effect all these visitations and encounters have had on any part of human society, except for CT websites and the film industry. Can you point to any actual effects you could ascribe to the presence of aliens on earth?
 
skyeagle quoted this in post #33:
SPACE-LIFE REPORT COULD BE SHOCK

Vol. I, No. II (Dec 1960 - Jan 1961 issue)

The discovery of intelligent space beings could have a severe effect on the public, according to a research report released by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The report warned that America should prepare to meet the psychological impact of such a revelation.

The 190-page report was the result of a $96,000 one-year study conducted by the Brookings Institution for NASA's long-range study committee.

Public realization that intelligent beings live on other planets could bring about profound changes, or even the collapse of our civilization, the research report stated.
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That is often cited as a reason for the alleged coverup of the alleged extraterrestrial-spacecraft nature of UFO's. But I don't buy that. If the UFOnauts don't contact us, then their vehicles would seem like just another part of our environment.
 
Brookings Directory at nicap.org links to a PDF version of the 1960 Brookings Report. Much of it is on stuff like communications and weather satellites, so I'll list the parts on ET contact.

Those parts are in the "Attitudes and Values" sections. Summary: PDF pages 46 - 50, Full: PDF pages 202 - 219.

From the summary, at PDF page 48:
Though intelligent or semi-intelligent life conceivably exists elsewhere in our solar system, if intelligent extraterrestrial life is discovered in the next twenty years, it will very probably be by radio telescope from other solar systems. Evidences of its existence might also be found in artifacts left on the moon or other planets. The consequences for attitudes and values are unpredictable, but would vary profoundly in different cultures and between groups within complex societies; a crucial factor would be the nature of the communication between us and the other beings. Whether or not earth would be inspired to an all-out space effort by such a discovery is moot: societies sure of their own place in the universe have disintegrated when confronted by a superior society, and others have survived even though changed. Clearly, the better we can come to understand the factors involved in responding to such crises the better prepared we may be.
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The full version is at PDF pages 215-217. It expands on the summary, and I will quote a little bit of it.
Anthropological files contain many examples of societies, sure of their place in the universe, which have disintegrated when they have had to associate with previously unfamiliar societies espousing different ideas and different life ways; others that survived such an experience usually did so by paying the price of changes in values and attitudes and behavior.
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No further explanation of that, and no examples.
 
I used to be a UFOlogyologist before UFOlogy died. I've known about this Brookings Institute report for decades. IIRC, NASA rejected their conclusions - which is allowed even if you paid for a report.

I'll stand corrected if need be.
 
skyeagle409 said:
Because, I saw one myself in 1968 as the object passed over my base in Vietnam, and upon my one-year deployment, I was assigned to a base that was active in cases where UFOs shutdown our Minuteman missiles.
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Lol. You don't know it was an alien spacecraft. You saw a thing. You decided that it was an alien spacecraft because no other explanation made sense to you at the time.

It was a ghost. Doesn't it make at least as much sense as it being an alien spacecraft? If it moved in the way corporeal matter cannot, it makes more sense that it was an incorporeal ghost - since ghosts are not made of matter they are not subject to the universal laws of inertia.

No - that it was a ghost is the only explanation that makes sense.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
This is an oft-repeated claim by UFO believers.
If the military-industrial complex has known about the existence of alien visitors to earth since (as you claim) the 18th century, can you point to any changes of technology that have occurred as a result? How about any changes in strategic alliances? Did the very real and proven extraterrestrial threat bring rival countries together?
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Let's just say that in some cases, the saucers have brought the world to the edge of a nuclear war as was the case where the Soviets lost total control of their strategic missiles as they went into launch mode as they reported a saucer hovering over their base.

In other cases, the saucers disabled our Minuteman missiles, which is where my base came in, that is, in regard to the investigations where the missiles were disabled as saucers hovered over the missile fields.

Beyond pointless buzzing about, have the aliens actually done anything meaningful, like landing and getting out of their ships, ideally in a major population centre so we can have a bit of a meet and greet?
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Actually, there have been cases where UFOs have landed.


DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE
HEADQUARTERS 341ST COMBAT SUPPORT GROUP (SAC)
MALMSTROM AIR FORCE BASE, MT 590402

REPLY TO
ATTN OF: BO 3 July 1967


SUBJECT: UFO Observations, Malmstrom AFB Area


to: Colonel James C. Manatt (lettered TDET/UFO)
HQ Foreign Technology Division (AFSC)
Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio 45433

1. Reference TDET/UFO letter dated 30 June 1967 on above subject.

2. This office has no knowledge of equipment malfunctions and abnormalities in equipment during the period of reported UFO sightings. No validity can be established to the statement that a classified government experiment was in progress or that military and civilian personnel were requested not to discuss what they had seen.

3. A written report on the events that transpired during the alleged UFO reported landing on 24 March 1967, fully documents all findings by the investigating officer. A copy of this report was forwarded to your office on 3 April 1967.

4. If we can be of further assistance to you, please do not hesitate to write.

FOR THE COMMANDER

LEWIS D. CHASE, Lt Colonel, USAF
Chief, Operations Division
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Speaking of Lt. Col. Lewis D. Chase, he was the pilot whose bomber was involved in another incident where his RB-47 was chased by a UFO over multiple states. The aircraft's onboard ELINT systems and ground-based radar tracked the UFO as it chased his aircraft.

UFO Chase RB-47 Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaBBA3gkZTc
 
John Jones said:
I used to be a UFOlogyologist before UFOlogy died. I've known about this Brookings Institute report for decades. IIRC, NASA rejected their conclusions - which is allowed even if you paid for a report.

I'll stand corrected if need be.
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Let's take a look here as to the basis of that report.


The Brookings Institution's 1960 Report To NASA About Discovering Extraterrestrial Life

Anthropological files contain many examples of societies, sure of their place in the Universe, which have disintegrated when they have had to associate with previously unfamiliar societies espousing different ideas and different life ways; others that survived such an experience usually did so by paying the price of changes in values and attitudes and behaviour.

https://www.outerplaces.com/science...60-report-to-nasa-about-extraterrestrial-life
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Here is a small example the government remembers.


"War of the Worlds": Behind the 1938 Radio Show Panic

What radio listeners heard that night was an adaptation, by Orson Welles's Mercury Theater group, of a science fiction novel written 40 years earlier: The War of the Worlds, by H.G. Wells.

However, the radio play, narrated by Orson Welles, had been written and performed to sound like a real news broadcast about an invasion from Mars.

Thousands of people, believing they were under attack by Martians, flooded newspaper offices and radio and police stations with calls, asking how to flee their city or how they should protect themselves from "gas raids." Scores of adults reportedly required medical treatment for shock and hysteria.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/0617_050617_warworlds.html
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