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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories V: Five for Fighting

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On the question of where this earlier hypothetical head bullet ended up, the only logical answer would be that it exited the throat, without invoking alteration or high-tech ammunition. Remember that JFK chest X-ray what shows a cavity filled with air going from the middle neck to the anterior throat area? The one that Lattimer swore represented a bullet track but totally could not be evidence of a single high-velocity round entering the back and exiting the throat?

Unless shown otherwise, I will continue to think that the brain removal problem in relation to the small head wound is a kind of Rosetta Stone showing that something is very wrong with the official version of the JFK shooting.
 
I said it would be very difficult to do with the iron sights, i.e. without a scope. That's all.
Is this based on your personal experience with a bolt action rifle with iron sights at a target 88 yards away? Based on my experience it is an easy shot. Oswald being a trained Marine (even if he was a poor shot for a Marine) probably found it to be easy or very easy.

The target was moving, slowly, away from the shooter at a small angle. Do you know how this affects the required lead on the target? I do. I calculated it using one of the ballistics calculators online. This told me that the shooter didn't need to lead the target all for a shot to the torso, and needed to lead by about 3-4 inches for a head shot.

After all these years I think that anyone who says it would be very difficult to do is a whore selling a book (such as Craig Roberts) or is willfully ignorant and too irresponsible to be involved in a conversation like this.

Ranb
 
What? Jackie's recollections are hardly good for anything. Her witness statements can't be qualified as forensic evidence, they're too garbled and vague.

Yet you have cited Connally's testimony multiple times, and he was in shock after suffering a GSW. Jackie would have noticed noticed a GSW to the head, as would the other forty people standing on the sidewalk.

Your lack of basic knowledge of ballistics and remedial forensics is overshadowed by your intellectual inconsistencies.
 
Um, okay? Still not a moving target.

Here's one, iron sights, moving target, 1538 yards. Took him 3 shots to connect on the target:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Dixon

The stand-off continued into a third day, when a group of Indians were noticed about a mile east of Adobe Walls. It is said that Dixon took aim with a quickly borrowed .50-90 Sharps (as, according to his biography, he only had a .45-90 Sharps and felt it could not reach) buffalo rifle and fired, knocking an Indian near Chief Quanah Parker off his horse almost a mile away on his third shot and killing him. Unnerved, the Indians then withdrew and left the settlement alone. Commemorative "Billy Dixon" model reproduction Sharps rifles that supposedly recreate the specifications of Dixon's famous gun are still available.
 
Yet you have cited Connally's testimony multiple times, and he was in shock after suffering a GSW. Jackie would have noticed noticed a GSW to the head, as would the other forty people standing on the sidewalk.

Again, how many people said they could literally see the gunshot wounds of JFK and Connally besides the large head shot?

Your lack of basic knowledge of ballistics and remedial forensics is overshadowed by your intellectual inconsistencies.

Then why can't you refute anything relating to the EOP wound and it's proofs including the brain removal problem without invoking textual projectile vomiting?
 
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On the question of where this earlier hypothetical head bullet ended up, the only logical answer would be that it exited the throat, without invoking alteration or high-tech ammunition.

1. The only location to achieve that kind of trajectory would have been the roof of the TSB, and the shooter would be visible from the street.

There was no one on the roof.

2. Please explain, using your apparently vast knowledge of firearms, what you mean by high-tech ammunition as it would have existed in 1963.

Remember that JFK chest X-ray what shows a cavity filled with air going from the middle neck to the anterior throat area? The one that Lattimer swore represented a bullet track but totally could not be evidence of a single high-velocity round entering the back and exiting the throat?

There's ONE x-ray out there. What do the others show? Oh that's right, nobody's seen them.

And you have yet to explain why a 6.5x52mm, 160 grain round fired from a rifle with a rifle with a barrel that gives a 1:8 twist ratio, and struck the President at a velocity of 2,700fps without striking bone should be ruled out as a through and through shot in this case.

Especially since the fiber evidence from the President's coat and shirt show the same sized round entering the back and exiting the front. The penetration capability of the Carcano round has never been in question.

You insist that a suppressed .22 round can do the same damage, and it just can't.


Unless shown otherwise, I will continue to think that the brain removal problem in relation to the small head wound is a kind of Rosetta Stone showing that something is very wrong with the official version of the JFK shooting.

The brain removal "problem" is your failure. Everyone else has figured it out. Combine that with your inability to try to understand ballistics - something that any American can resolve with a couple hundred bucks and a visit to a shooting range that rents guns, and gives lessons - and you have provided us with a Rosetta Stone into your ability to objectively research simple matters.:thumbsup:
 
Here's one, iron sights, moving target, 1538 yards. Took him 3 shots to connect on the target:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Dixon

The stand-off continued into a third day, when a group of Indians were noticed about a mile east of Adobe Walls. It is said that Dixon took aim with a quickly borrowed .50-90 Sharps (as, according to his biography, he only had a .45-90 Sharps and felt it could not reach) buffalo rifle and fired, knocking an Indian near Chief Quanah Parker off his horse almost a mile away on his third shot and killing him. Unnerved, the Indians then withdrew and left the settlement alone. Commemorative "Billy Dixon" model reproduction Sharps rifles that supposedly recreate the specifications of Dixon's famous gun are still available.

A whole friggin group of Indians coming towards you?
 
Again, how many people said they could literally see the gunshot wounds of JFK and Connally besides the large head shot?

Connally sat in the jump-seat, which was lower that the President, making his wounds well out of view from the public - something that anyone with an hour of research into the assassination would know.

Then why can't you refute anything relating to the EOP wound and it's proofs including the brain removal problem without invoking textual projectile vomiting?

I don't need to.

More to the point, I have posted links to Humes and Finck where they explained it all. You're the one with the problem on this non-issue.
 
1. The only location to achieve that kind of trajectory would have been the roof of the TSB, and the shooter would be visible from the street.

There was no one on the roof.

No, such a trajectory could have only been caused by a lot of deflections. A bullet entering any curved area of the skull will have guaranteed deflection, and the dark squiggly line on the X-ray goes sharply from the neck area then off the first rib.

I used to think that very low-velocity missiles can only create large exit wounds, but it is now my understanding that exit wounds from missiles barely exiting the tissue can be very small, and can resemble an entry wound.

2. Please explain, using your apparently vast knowledge of firearms, what you mean by high-tech ammunition as it would have existed in 1963.

I think it was Francis X. O'Neil or James Sibert that said during the autopsy, the possibility of high-tech ammunition was being investigated before they just settled on the undercharged round hypothesis. Bullets made of wax, ice, plastic, were suggested. I understand that bullets that dissolve into a very fine metallic dust existed.

There's ONE x-ray out there. What do the others show? Oh that's right, nobody's seen them.

What? Without the few expert interpretations on the X-ray's dark squiggly line, it would just remain a random dark squiggly line. We now know that it must represent some kind of cavity between the tissues filled with air. If the rest of the X-rays showed an unambiguous track from the back to the throat, it would be paraded around more. Lattimer throat the dark squiggly line showed a track from pretty high in the neck to the throat, even though he had already seen the back wound photo showing it much lower.

And you have yet to explain why a 6.5x52mm, 160 grain round fired from a rifle with a rifle with a barrel that gives a 1:8 twist ratio, and struck the President at a velocity of 2,700fps without striking bone should be ruled out as a through and through shot in this case.

For one thing, the autopsy doctors almost certainly knew the throat wound represented a tracheotomy incised over a bullet hole while they still had the body, but lied and said they only learned that later the next morning. Soon I will make a long post compiling the evidence for that.

Especially since the fiber evidence from the President's coat and shirt show the same sized round entering the back and exiting the front. The penetration capability of the Carcano round has never been in question.

You insist that a suppressed .22 round can do the same damage, and it just can't.

The validity of the fiber evidence has already been addressed here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11795880&postcount=2989

But nevertheless, I am not saying here that the throat was not an exit or the back was not an entry.

The brain removal "problem" is your failure. Everyone else has figured it out. Combine that with your inability to try to understand ballistics - something that any American can resolve with a couple hundred bucks and a visit to a shooting range that rents guns, and gives lessons - and you have provided us with a Rosetta Stone into your ability to objectively research simple matters.:thumbsup:

Please tell me how you solved the brain removal problem. This isn't like RoboTimbo repeatedly asking the same stupid questions, this is a question that has yet to be answered by anyone advocating an entry in the cowlick.
 
A whole friggin group of Indians coming towards you?

They were in flight when Dixon made his shot. He used a single shot rifle requiring the manipulation of the cocking lever to open the action, eject the empty and insert another cartridge by hand into the chamber. - he did not have the advantage that LHO possessed by having a magazine fed action.

I've advised you several times to avoid firearms and marksmanship as subjects in this discussion.

Too bad you are unable to heed good advice.
 
They were in flight when Dixon made his shot. He used a single shot rifle requiring the manipulation of the cocking lever to open the action, eject the empty and insert another cartridge by hand into the chamber. - he did not have the advantage that LHO possessed by having a magazine fed action.

I've advised you several times to avoid firearms and marksmanship as subjects in this discussion.

Too bad you are unable to heed good advice.

Both parties were at ground level, correct?
 
Unless shown otherwise No matter how many times I'm shown otherwise, I will continue to think that the brain removal problem in relation to the small head wound is a kind of Rosetta Stone showing that something is very wrong with the official version of the JFK shooting.

FTFY ;)
 
Both parties were at ground level, correct?

Incorrect:

The attack commenced on June 26 and raged for three days, with an estimated 700 warriors slain and 70 wounded. Frustrated, the Indians gathered on a distant bluff to reconsider their strategy. Seeing one of the warriors silhouetted, Dixon, who had lost his “Big 50″ Sharps in a skirmish, grabbed a friend’s .50-90 Sharps and fired. The warrior toppled from his horse. Their confidence shattered, the Indians grabbed the body and hastily rode away.

Read more: http://www.rifleshootermag.com/rifl...ly_dixons_one_mile_shot_010311/#ixzz4mZLwMu00

Recreating the shot at the actual location:



At some point most people realize that continuing to argue about subjects they know nothing about is detrimental to their cause.

I see you haven't reached that point.
 
Both parties were at ground level, correct?
So how much difference did it make that Oswald was several stories up when he allegedly shot JFK? How did you determine that it was any significant difference at all? Any answers to my other questions? These are all very basic questions that anyone who has an opinion on JFK should be acquainted with.
 
I'd like to compare what I think happened with your comprehensive theory for how the assassination happened. I've asked you a dozen times already, why don't you answer?

How can I do that without your help? I need help understanding any flaws with my understandings. So far it looks like I'm right on the money with the EOP thing.
 
Incorrect:

The attack commenced on June 26 and raged for three days, with an estimated 700 warriors slain and 70 wounded. Frustrated, the Indians gathered on a distant bluff to reconsider their strategy. Seeing one of the warriors silhouetted, Dixon, who had lost his “Big 50″ Sharps in a skirmish, grabbed a friend’s .50-90 Sharps and fired. The warrior toppled from his horse. Their confidence shattered, the Indians grabbed the body and hastily rode away.

Read more: http://www.rifleshootermag.com/rifl...ly_dixons_one_mile_shot_010311/#ixzz4mZLwMu00

Recreating the shot at the actual location:



At some point most people realize that continuing to argue about subjects they know nothing about is detrimental to their cause.

I see you haven't reached that point.

This is the first time I'm learning about this, so thanks for pointing out this example to me. While there is controversy on this event, either way it is apparently known as the luckiest shot in recorded history. Again, I never said it would literally be impossible to hit Kennedy's head with iron sights, just that it would be highly unlikely.
 
How can I do that without your help? I need help understanding any flaws with my understandings. So far it looks like I'm right on the money with the EOP thing.

Ah good. If you're right on the money, then you should have a comprehensive theory for how the assassination happened which accounts for all of the evidence.

What is it?
 
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