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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...kes-guys-like-trump-and-hopes-for-better-ties

Russian President Vladimir Putin said he likes guys like Donald Trump who speak their mind and dangled the possibility that patriotic Russians could have been involved in hacking during foreign elections.

“He’s direct, open,” Putin told a small group of foreign journalists in St. Petersburg on Thursday. “He can’t be put in the same category as traditional politicians. I see great advantages because he’s a person with a fresh view.”
When Putin says he "sees great advantages" I actually believe him.
 
Let's take a look where we have Sir Putin the Liar vs. Sir Trump the Liar. Where does the truth lie?

Trump-Putin discussion on election interference yields clashing accounts

President Trump began his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin by bringing up election interference, but Putin denied any role

http://internationalskeptics.com/
 
President Donald Trump gave the sluggish scandal that still has no name an ass-slap of giddyap at the G-20 conference this week in Hamburg where he met the scandal’s purported auteur, Russian President Vladimir Putin. Shaking Putin’s hand, patting his back and pronouncing it an “honor” finally to meet his counterpart, Trump confirmed himself Russia’s most powerful supplicant.
Even Russia-scandal skeptics had to cringe at the servile mewling of Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who spoke to the press after the two-hour-plus mini-summit, which included the principals, Tillerson, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov, and two translators. Tillerson said Trump raised the subject of Russian campaign meddling but that Putin had denied it and at that Trump agreed to move on.

Lavrov told the press that Trump accepted Putin’s assurances that his country did not interfere in the American election. “There was not a lot of relitigating of the past,” Tillerson agreed, which was a peculiar thing for him to say seeing as relitigation is Trump’s default posture. The president, who is a grudgemaster and accomplished Twitter duelist, imagines himself a tough negotiator. He’s made so many contentious and frivolous court appearances he could pass for a vexatious litigant.

If the mark of a great diplomat is the ability to speak craziness with a straight face, Tillerson earned admittance to the Dips Hall of Fame. A “framework” for cybersecurity cooperation would be set up between the two countries, he promised. This would be like going into the fencing business with the guy who burgled your house. Sounding more like a therapist than the secretary of state, Tillerson said, “We’re unhappy. They’re unhappy,” and explained that salvaging this “really important relationship” meant blotting out the recent unpleasantness. (Take a shot of amnesia and call me in the morning.) Then Tillerson produced a laugh line that topped his previous ones. “The Russians have asked for proof and evidence” of the meddling, he said. Perhaps he should buy Putin a subscription to the Washington Post.

And remember, Tillerson was the smart one representing the United States in the room.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/08/trump-shakes-hands-and-the-deep-state-stirs-215354
 
And to compare, here's a summit summary from an adult who takes his readers seriously:

Alexander Mercouris said:
[...] Summary

The first Trump-Putin summit, with Trump both inexperienced and under severe pressure at home, was never going to be an easy summit. However it is striking that Russian diplomacy still managed to use this unpromising summit to make progress – however tentative and limited – on three important issues [Syria, Ukraine and Cybersecurity, see details further up in the article - CE] in a way that works towards achieving Russia’s objectives.

The agreements made, though very limited in scope, are still from the Russian point of view useful, whilst the Russians seem to have taken care to pitch their proposals to be within the range of what President Trump could agree to.

As for President Trump, he is to be commended for having accepted these proposals so quickly and so readily. Doing so was as much in the US’s interests as in Russia’s interests.

This is how diplomacy is done. Putin and the Russians in Hamburg gave Trump a class in how to do it, and he came out well, far better in my opinion than Barack Obama ever did. That holds promise for the future.

In all respects this was a far better summit than the US-Chinese summit at Mar-a-Lago, which the Chinese sought too early, and which the inexperienced Trump was unsure how to host.

For the rest, it seems that Trump and Putin genuinely got on with each other.

The most important fact about the summit as I said previously was that it went on for so long. Usually when a meeting goes over time in this way it is either because there is a row or because those involved discover that they have a lot to talk about and are able to say it to each other.

This summit was clearly of the second sort. It seems that Melania tried at one point to hurry the two men along, but they preferred to go on talking to each other even if that meant delaying later meetings.

Not surprisingly Trump has referred to the meeting as “tremendous“. Putin as is his way was more analytical and more detailed

As regards personal relations, I believe that they have been established. This is how I see it: Mr Trump’s television image is very different from the real person; he is a very down to earth and direct person, and he has an absolutely adequate attitude towards the person he is talking with; he analyses things pretty fast and answers the questions he is asked or new ones that arise in the course of the discussion. So I think that if we build our relations in the vein of our yesterday’s meeting, there are good reasons to believe that we will be able to revive, at least partially, the level of interaction that we need.​

(bold italics added)

Coming from Putin – the most experienced leader in the world today and an acknowledged master of diplomacy who is known for saying it as it is – the highlighted words are high praise.

In summary this was a genuinely successful summit, producing more of substance than most people expected, and promising well for the future.
 
But what if witches exist?

It's really fascinating that in the piece Arcade22 quoted there really is nothing in the whole rambling rant but the single sentence on cybersecurity about anything of substance that was talked about, while Mercouris goes on in length to describe each of the three points and their context. I guess the money quote is this second-to-last sentence:

Psycho at Politico said:
But what if witches really exist, and Trump and his coven have committed myriad financial crimes?


:rolleyes:
 
Another non-disclosed meeting.

Two weeks after Donald J. Trump clinched the Republican presidential nomination last year, his eldest son arranged a meeting at Trump Tower in Manhattan with a Russian lawyer who has connections to the Kremlin, according to confidential government records described to The New York Times.

The previously undisclosed meeting was also attended by Mr. Trump’s campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, as well as the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, according to interviews and the documents, which were outlined by people familiar with them.

While President Trump has been dogged by revelations of undisclosed meetings between his associates and Russians, this episode at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, is the first confirmed private meeting between a Russian national and members of Mr. Trump’s inner circle during the campaign. It is also the first time that his son Donald J. Trump Jr. is known to have been involved in such a meeting.

What is so forgettable about Russians?
 
And to compare, here's a summit summary from an adult who takes his readers seriously:
Not having read the article, I can't say if it has merit. But for what it's worth, a quick Google search reveals the commentator, one Alexander Mercouris, is a liar and a sleezebag, causing him to be disbarred. In need of a paycheck, he cozied up to the Ruskies.

Right up there with the abject crap you foist here on a regular basis.
 
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That's quite a story, it was about Russian adoptions a friend asked for. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

"There's a Kremlin-linked Russian lawyer who wants to talk about adoptions."

"Let's bring in the campaign chair right away."

That totally checks out. ;)
 
Not having read the article, I can't say if it has merit. But for what it's worth, a quick Google search reveals the commentator, one Alexander Mercouris, is a liar and a sleezebag, causing him to be disbarred. In need of a paycheck, he cozied up to the Ruskies.

Right up there with the abject crap you foist here on a regular basis.


Translation: "Yadda yadda ignorance ad hominem but i told you so you meanie"
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And to compare, here's a summit summary from an adult who takes his readers seriously:

I think that your bolding highlights why it's not a credible analysis.

We have seen Trump's performance. This is someone who forgets where his limousine is. Who can't finish a tweet. Who often makes nonsensical pronouncements, which his staff try to interpret. Who has a for more limited and confused speech than fifteen years ago.

He's an overweight septuganerian with a terrible diet and a family history of altzheimers, who is demonstrating linguistic impairment compared to a when he was younger.
 
CE, your article calls Putin and Trump both inexperienced. That is like saying that Stephen Hawkins and Joe the Plumber both know little about astrophysics.
There is no leader in world who has dealt with more American Presidents than Putin.
 
What is so forgettable about Russians?

Well... er... they're the largest country on Earth and so the odds of randomly putting your finger on Russia while spinning an Earth globe are much higher... so ...ah... you shouldn't be surprised that people have connections to Russia! Yes, that's it!
 
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